The Minneapolis Star Tribune is reporting today that Target is closing 12 stores nationwide, including the Harper Woods location:
http://www.startribune.com/target-is...ngs/455882443/
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The Minneapolis Star Tribune is reporting today that Target is closing 12 stores nationwide, including the Harper Woods location:
http://www.startribune.com/target-is...ngs/455882443/
So sad. Good bye Eastland. Maybe this will lead to a redevelopment of that giant parcel and some new tax revenues for little old Harper Woods.
This will likely be the final nail in the coffin for Eastland. That place has been Hell on Earth for about the last 15 years or so. Rampant drug use and sales were/are common right out in the open inside the mall. Shootings inside the mall as well as on the grounds happened far too often. The criminal element has taken a firm hold of that mall and driven everybody else away.
Our children were forbidden to go there as teenagers and they will not go there now as adults. My wife has not been there in decades. I went occasionally when I needed something quick from Hudson's/Macy's but the last time was probably 7 or 8 years ago and it was dangerous then.
The only decent concern there is Lowe's, which I patronize on rare occasions. The rest of the retail offerings are low grade schlock. A mall cannot survive with a tenant roster of nothing but schlock houses.
RIP Eastland.
To put things in perspective, this pretty much leaves no retail options for folks on the eastside when it comes to general merchandise [[not counting drug stores or dollar stores). Pretty sad.
So very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
We do have some nice retail establishments on The Hill and in The Village as well as some nice independent retailers on Mack Avenue. I am not one who particularly enjoys shopping but if I cannot find what I want close to home, Somerset Mall is only about 25 minutes away.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
With the Eastland Target and 9/Harper Kmart both closing it really does hollow-out the retail options on the east side. Really do have to hope that the Eastland site is appropriately redeveloped -- perhaps in a manner similar to Tel-Twelve. It's a big site -- unlike Northland I don't think the City of HW is really in a position to buy the property -- so hopefully something is destined to happen in the near term to bring some life to the property.
Krogers has already bought the Kmarts building on 9 and Harper and is going to shut down the Krogers at 9 and Mack.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoelessjoe
The only catch in this is that the new location will only offer expanded offerings of a normal Kroger. For the time being they won't be opening any more Marketplace locations nationwide indefinitely.Quote:
Originally Posted by ddaydetroit
Or the M-59 corridor, even though the traffic is horrendous....Quote:
Originally Posted by SyGolden48236
Unless that's a bit of a hike to them, at least they'll have the Meijer at Schoenherr and 10 Mile after that opens.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoelessjoe
Did Macomb Mall close? Did I miss something? Gratiot still offers a large swath of merchandise shopping from 8 Mile and above. I cannot speak to what kind of retailers are in the city proper.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtburb
Having lived in the Pointes for some years, I can recall seeing many locals at the retail stores, including the Target, along Gratiot in Roseville and Clinton Township. Many considered the Eastland Target fine for a quick trip during the daytime, but preferred the Gratiot store overall.
The Hill and Village do offer some options, but the pointes and St. Clair Shores seem to be underserved from a retail perspective. Maybe the numbers don't bear this out, but it always seemed that way when I lived there. At least some kind of decent home goods store would be nice to have in the area [[besides pricey Pier One).
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Although Sears has closed at Macomb Mall, the At Home store will be replacing it. There is Kohls, Dick's and a few others stores within the mall but many empty spaces as well. You also have JC Penney's just off the freeway and Target just up the road. If I have to do "mall" shopping, I prefer Partridge over Lakeside.Quote:
Originally Posted by TKshreve
I do believe people living in the Pointes and SCS are screwed. Not to mention the driving time to get to Lakeside or Partridge.
To be clear, I was referring to the lower east side in my post.
Yes, there's still the area around Macomb Mall, but it's a hike for many.
Brick and mortar retail is in full retreat everywhere in the country, while malls and the departments stores that anchored them are increasingly going the way of soda fountains, five-and-dimes, and cafeterias. The east side, with its lagging income demographics, is I think just a bellweather here of times to come everywhere, as under-performing big box stores begin to follow department stores in fading away.
The bigger question is what will be left? Certain types of old fashioned retail strips, like Kercheval in the Pointes, seem able to hang on. As do specialty 'destination' malls like Somerset [[although I think the future may be rough on them too). Growing income bifurcation seems to be leaving us with high-end or specialty stores and Wal-Mart or even lower down the economic scale chains [[the dollar stores) on the ground, with mostly online shopping outlets filling the vast in-between space.
St. Clair Shores is by no means screwed... going from 10 1/2 Mile along Gratiot up toward 14 1/2 mile... we have Costco, Sam's Club, 2 Aldi's, T.J.Maxx, Kohl's, Toys R Us, Target, Michael's, Meijer [[on Little Mack), Walmart, Nino Salvaggio's [[in SCS) and a lot of smaller stores along the way.
And Partridge Creek is only 15 minutes to the north. Going Gratiot to Harrington/Cass to Romeo Plank to Partridge Creek Blvd.... one never even has to get onto the M-59 traffic jam.
I've finally had the "pleasure" [[?) of experiencing both Lakeside and Partridge on a weekend. Holy crap, it's a suicide mission. There's nothing I need @ either that badly that'll make me do that again. Talk about congestion! Bet it's fun @ Christmas time.
What Macomb County doesn't realize is that in 15-20 years, their M-59 retail juggernaut is going to be a ghost town. Take the empty big box stores at Eastland [[Macy's, Sears, Target, etc.) and put them on steroids and that is what Hall Road will be. With retail bankruptcies and consolidations, there will be tons of vacant space out there.
Luckily, St. Clair Shores was able to absorb the planned closing of Kmart with a new Kroger standing by.
I was thinking along the lines of mostly clothing stores which, at one time, was found mainly in malls [[one stop shopping). I hit up all the stores you mentioned and Aldi's is one of my favorites. I avoid hall road, if possible, and take a similar route to Partridge starting at Crocker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
Poor management helped the closing of Eastland Target
No problem... I was just making a general statement, not answering you specifically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maof
Aldi's is one of my favorites too... and the one at Gratiot & 14 Mile was one of the first local ones to get the upgrade... 50% larger, nicer interior, and more items to choose from. It's nice that the Aldi's store model is successful in Detroit as well... I think we'll be seeing more of them in the city in the future. Besides cheap prices and quality food items... they are a great employer with decent wages and full benefits.
Al, to expand on your point, the long term prospects don't look good for "destination" luxury retail catering to high income consumers [[i.e. Somerset, Partridge) because of fast-changing demographics & values.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastsideAl
Statistically, people under 40 [[even wealthy ones) show little interest in what have traditionally been "desirable, enviable" status symbols, which are the mainstay of these destinations.
Brands like Nordstrom, Coach, Rolex, Ralph Lauren, and Cadillac are catering almost exclusively to an older, shrinking base [[stateside, anyway), and are having little to no success in appealing to a younger set of consumers.
Look at Mark Zuckerberg, who sort of embodies the traits of a 21st century multi-billionaire.
Demand for most of this 'stuff' will probably go the way of country club memberships, Sterling silver cigarette lighters, and fur coats---although trends sometimes do cycle back around.
I agree with most posts on this thread. Target as a company is in a real bind. While infinitely better run than the train wreck that is Sears-Kmart, they have neither the "value" business that Walmart gets nor the real higher end stuff that can attract specialty business. It's nice but-middle-of-the-road housewares and fashions are especially vulnerable to online competition. And unlike Walmart, they have not massively invested in online sales. They have had a disaster in their pharmacy and grocery divisions [[pharmacies are now outsourced to CVS & they keep replacing grocery management as they are unable to realize either significant profits or foot traffic generation goals). They are beset by the troubles facing most major retailers. This could be a company that in the end could do everything correctly to stay in business, and still find that the shopping dollars went elsewhere.
Interesting. I too do not perceive value when I think of Target. Also, I don't see it as the store where I can get more than one or two things [[available). Target always seems to have too little variety and lack of focus. And yes 'middle-of-the-road' is for sure getting more online traction.
If I had to pick between Target and Meijers, it would be Meijers.
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Originally Posted by Zacha341
Yes, same here. When Target opened in Canada, and I gave it a chance, checked it out a number of times and found nothing eyepopping or different from what was out there.
I don't get the hate with Target. I rarely walk out empty handed from there.:o
I don't hate Target. Actually I like the look, feel and layout of Target.
I just need a bit of an edge cost-wise and their women's clothing line really tanked over the years... Like they changed their buyer or something. And I don't even consider them for house cleaning products... too expensive.
On the other hand I really can't stand Walmart. I will go there for certain things, but find the vibe, and layout too much even for the savings.
So cost isn't the only factor for me. I like Dollar General, and Meijers and a bit of Aldies for most of my shopping.
Zacha, I think you have hit the nail on the head as a consumer: shopping at multiple different stores to fit your preferences and budget is much smarter than just rewarding a single retailer with your money, no matter what.
Some people are rabid target fans and do the majority of their shopping there. I like Target, but it's not a destination for me.
They have a nice variety of housewares and decor stuff. Their staples seem a little expensive to me and I can't take the grocery section seriously.
Weekly, my first stop is Sam's Club, then Meijer. If I need something specific, like a baking pan and don't love the selection at Meijer, then I'll got to Target and or BB&B.
I avoid Wal-Mart except for large size socks. They have made improvements, but outside of grocery the stores feel very cluttered to me.
I have the convenience of having a new Kroger Marketplace and Meijer right across from one another, so whatever perks me more is where I'll end up.
If I need something as fast as possible, I'll just go to Walgreens or Dollar General.
I went to BB&B for the first time in about 15 years two weeks ago. It seems that with the demise of department stores... BB&B now has a large bridal registry and selections.
For paper products [[tissues, toilet paper and paper towels)... I find Aldi's is now a better value than even the dollar stores. Tissues at dollar stores are $1 for 108 count, while at Aldi's they are $1.09 for 175 count.
Roseville... 13 Mile & Little Mack?Quote:
Originally Posted by mtburb
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Originally Posted by mtburb
Could also be 26 Mile & Van Dyke, straddling Shelby [[Kroger Marketplace) & Washington [[Meijer) TownshipQuote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
Actually, I was referring to Fort Street in Southgate.
Goodbye Eastland Mall.
Good riddance to bad rubbish!Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny
With Target, I know many women who like to go there to impulse shop. They have a large array of goods that still provides the "Stroll and Browse" kinda feel that many mothers still identify with. Crucify me if you think that idea is chauvinist.
Question being - will that be enough for them to survive the culling of brick and mortar retail that is evidently underway.
Lastly, big retail can't go under entirely, right? Three reasons come to mind immediately:
1> Last minute xmas/birthday/Halloween shopping has always been a thing. You scramble around town trying to get that last minute item to perfect your list/costume/etc. These big box stores offer product breadth and product depth, therefore diminishing the amount of time scrambling from store to store.
2> Clothing: Ordering clothing online has never been a slam dunk to me. People want to try things on - and see the real deal before they open the pocketbook up. More so, with shoes they can always have a funny feel or look. Having these items delivered to your house via online orders seems like it would foster more work than it's worth. I can understand buying tools or books online, but clothing has always been more personal to me.
3> Lower income groups who will continue to lack access to the internet, and bank accounts/credit cards for purchasing purposes. Hate to admit it, but the standard of living is not keeping up with technology in the 21st century. We will always have lower income groups that lack the means to support themselves entirely online.
I played at Eastland when it was woods/swamp. Was very relieved when it was built, saved me from the dreaded bus ride downtown with ma. [[not including Xmas time trips. ;) ) Ate lunch there when I was in HS. And my first real job was at Sanders there. Now I feel what my ma felt about her old neighborhood a block from Packards.
RIP
has the store closed yet? any major deals?
I was there when visiting for Christmas and saw no signs of the store closure [[other than the Pharmacy being closed).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypestyles
I know someone who retired as a manager before the store closing was announced. He started getting calls from former co-workers after they found out. I think he said only 25 out of over 100 employees were going to be kept. Everyone else will be let go. I’ve forgotten the exact number of total employees he mentioned.
Walmart Neighborhood Market [[groceries only) can be quite nice. Wider aisles and the worst of the "Walmart shoppers" don't seem to go there.
We used to go to Target a lot, but they pretty much eliminated junior size for women which my wife needs.
TJ Maxx, Marshall's, and Ross seem to be Amazon-proof as you have to really shop and get lucky to find what you want in the size you want, but you won't get it any where else.