This is a dream come true. Wayne State University bans smoking [[ including e-cigarettes) for all its campuses even outside properties. Starting Wednesday, August 19, 2015. If you folks want to smoke your cancer sticks, go away from all WSU campuses. Anyone who smokes there will be ticketed from campus police.
Any thoughts?
I think they should also ban,excessive use of Old Spice aftershave,Right Guard deodorant,excessive use of cheap fake perfumes,because I do not use any of the above and it irritates my senses.
After that maybe we can go after those cars that have the stupid farting sound mufflers.
19% smoke on campuses per studies and pretty much every other campus has already banned smoking,but I would guess one could always hide in the restroom for a quick puff.
Pretty sad that anyone of college age would be stupid enough to puff on those cancer sticks. Makes them look soooooo cool.
I don't know how any college student could afford to smoke anymore. When I was young and stupid a pack was about 85 cents. Isn't it over $6 now? So a pack a day habit would be $180/month! Better to spend it on beer.
$1.75 a carton in Virginia when i was in college [[1957-1961) but I didn't smoke.Quote:
Originally Posted by drjeff
I'm fine with the ban. I don't smoke and I'm sick of packs of people smoking right along public sidewalks and right outside entrances of buildings. It has negative health effects for the people around them, and they also litter, a lot. Many smokers think it's their God-given right to litter.
How will this affect the potheads??? :)
They're all vaping now Ray.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray1936
On the bright side, it is now five years since the bars and restaurants smoking ban. Every once in a while when I am in those places I remember back to the the smoke-choked days and coming home with my clothes stinking from it. It now seems like fifty years ago instead of five as of this May.
curious. What are the sanctions for violators?
Death by cancer!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypestyles
http://policies.wayne.edu/administra...ree-campus.phpQuote:
Originally Posted by Hypestyles
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Originally Posted by noise
"5.2 Students who violate this policy will be subject to the Student Code of Conduct, as well as warnings and ticketing by WSU Police."
Smoking was banned by law in restaurants and bars in MI. That is obviously enforceable. This smoking ban is per the university's new rule. I am just curious, would a violator actually be legally obligated to pay the fine if ticketed?
I also wonder if this could even apply to a non-student at all. To me it seems the most they would be able to do to a non-student is trespass them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Armin
Nonstudents can smoke all they want?
My thoughts are OP is pretentious as fuck.
What will they think of next? How about [[like guns) the right to carry? Poor smokeronis. Life has become a bitch.
Does this call into question the authority of the WSU Police?Quote:
Originally Posted by 48307
I'm not certain, but what can be done if you smoke in City Hall, or some other public building?
10 years ago when i was at MSU i lived in a dorm you could smoke in, man times have changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny
Seems overdue, to me. Not often discussed is the fact that the cigarette filters, thrown to the ground by these litterbugs, can take many decades to decompose.
No, it calls into question the ability of WSU to make laws that people can be arrested for.Quote:
Originally Posted by noise
Any business can ban smoking, both before and after the ban, with the recourse of not complying being a trespass.
I'm not sure arresting anyone is the plan. A ticket seems more likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by 48307
Is a trespass effective enough?
You're correct about ticket vs. arrest.Quote:
Originally Posted by noise
A trespass would only be effective if the cops have a person that persistently breaks thislawrule and they recognize them as someone they've trespassed.
Disclaimer: I'm not a law expert.
You may be thinking of Bob Jones University. I read they prohibit everything from facial hair, National Geographics, visiting the movie theater, drinking alcohol [[no old wine for you), smoking cigarettes, or having a visiting homosexual on the campus. Yet, firearms are allowed, as long as you check them in at each security check.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by canuck
Got to admit I was surprised by the response to this thread. When I saw the initial number of replies [[so far), I was quite sure it was from a number of pro-smoking types. Quite to the contrary.
Detroit has come a long way since the '90s. We used to have Camel representatives canvasing the whole Cass Corridor/Wayne State area from Alvins, to Zoot's, to the Majestic [[remember when the Gold Dollar had American Spirits in the vending machine?-y'know..,because "there better for you"-then say what?...not smoking at all?!) giving away free packs to every resident and C.C.S. student they could find. I used to firmly believe Detroit was a "F*ck You-I smoke" type of town.
Personally I don't miss the stuff [[my kidneys couldn't handle the crud). Yet, it makes me wonder
if they will teach this famous poem: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/171767
I frankly didn't think the hand to mouth marketing was that aggressive but I am guessing that coupled with the high profile of more billboards pushing cigs in the ghettoes, this made for pretty handsome profits.Quote:
Originally Posted by G-DDT
Progressives and other Compulsives should take care to not make smoking cool. Something countercultural.Quote:
Originally Posted by canuck
Unprogressives and neo-cons should keep their arms and figers crossed hoping cigarette companies make a comeback?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch
The best tip I ever received was to buy RJR at less than $20/share about 15 years ago and no I don't condone smoking and yes as long as it is a legal commodity I have zero problem investing for my retirement. Sorry no qualms or regrets.
Cigarette smoking's decline has been social, not the result of 'bans'. Compulsion can destroy progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by canuck
Don't buy into the B.S. Philip Morris "Truth" campaign. John Oliver called them out on how they were actually suing small countries that had very direct and unflattering warning labels on their packs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UsHHOCH4q8Seems they can pretend that they have half-hearted activists [[like the clipboard *ssholes that pester folks in a counterproductive manner in Central Square Cambridge) "combating" cigarettes evils, but realistically, they wouldn't want it to be that effective, now would they?
You want something to fail? Have it produce over-the-top lies or transparently manipulative metaphors [[like the "This Is Your Brain on Drugs" frying egg crud) that are basically challenging and daring kids to defy the propaganda being shoved down their throat. I don't see ads of people peeling their skin off at cash registers or inhaling monsters in the woods doing the trick. It's only going to cause kids to want to do the opposite in natural juvenile defiance. It's treating kids as if they are stupid and have to be talked "at" and not "with".
You mean to say: if I were seated in a restaurant back in 1990 and wanted the couple at a table next to me to stop smoking, just ask politely? That's social.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch
Nowadays, I don't bother, it's smoke free by law, therefore banned. I don't have to tell you how much of.an incentive to stop this has been. I don't know, but I suspect making smokers have a harder time of it may help. All these folks having to cigarette break in January outside their workplace helps a little bit.
I recall hearing years ago that smoking by black teenagers, and later all teenagers was inQuote:
Originally Posted by canuck
decline. Nobody knew why.
Was it the result of smoking bans? Or was social behavior ahead of the government? I don't know. And neither do those who think 'bans' are the best tool for social change.