https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rgk9PuyPPg
The video is a little hokey but entertaining none the less...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rgk9PuyPPg
The video is a little hokey but entertaining none the less...
What reason would folks in Chicago have to think about Detroit?
Detroit hasn't been relevant as a viable city [[as a place to visit or do business) nor a functional comparison to Chicago since the 1970s.
Now, "Michigan" [[as in the tourist areas up north and the suburbs) is a different story...
They don't unless it's in regard to pro sports or renting their apartment to another Ex Metro Detroiter. That's not me attempting to be a smart ass either. This town just isn't on their radar and why would it be? The more I think about it this video is really strange. Imagine if someone from Gary, Indiana or Flint was walking around downtown asking questions to determine what Detroiters really felt about their town.
Why the hell do we care what people with an inferiority complex towards New York think about us?
Actually a pretty great, not unfair video.
But like Dtown says: who cares?!?
Sorry, but I thought the video was a bit lame. Asking a bunch of people who had never been here what they thought of it? I hope they do a sequel and ask a bunch of who had never been to Zermatt what they thought of that.
This feels like a college assignment for a student in a media program. It's useless, but he probably got a good grade for doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Good assessment, you're probably right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicago48
Who gives a fuck?
So eloquently put......Quote:
Originally Posted by gumby
ahh, Chicago, odoriferous ChicagoQuote:
Originally Posted by gumby
During the mid 1700s, the Chicago area was inhabited primarily by Potawatomis, who took the place of the Miami and Sauk and Fox who had controlled the area previously. The name Chicago originates from "Checagou" [[Chick-Ah-Goo-Ah) or "Checaguar" which in the Potawatomi language means 'wild onions' or 'skunk'. The area was so named because of the smell of rotting marshland wild leeks [[ramps) that used to cover it."
Well, given our own inferiority complex towards Chicago, it makes perfect sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by dtowncitylover
Yeah, I thought I was the only one who saw the irony in that post...Quote:
Originally Posted by noise
Yeah, who cares? Many people outside of Chicago and Detroit confuse the two with each other pretty regularly, anyway. They're interchangeable in the minds of a lot of people in the same way you might confuse Dallas and Houston or St. Louis and Kansas City.
In recent decades, I've never heard "Chicago" and "Detroit" spoken in the same sentence comparatively, let along have I heard people confuse the two...Quote:
Originally Posted by iheartthed
Because you live there and I don't. Most of the people I discuss Detroit with have no ties to either Detroit or Chicago.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
That has nothing to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by iheartthed
I know Chicago and Detroit were both spoken in the same breath all of the time during the 1940 to 1970s because they were almost strikingly similar in terms of size, development, infrastructure and functionality. But no one speaks of them in the same breath any more because all of the aforementioned is no longer the case.
Chicago has a vibrant downtown and Detroit doesn't. Chicago has nearly 3 million people and Detroit only has just over 500,000 people. Majority of Chicago's neighborhoods aren't bombed out while majority of DEtroit's neighborhoods are. Chicago has one of the best rapid transit systems in the US while Detroit has virtually no reliable mass transporation. Chicago is home to a variety of major industries while DEtroit is still only home to the Auto Industry. Chicago is a top 5 media market while DEtroit isn't even a top 10 media market.
Perhaps the folks you hang around with just live in a bubble...
Cool story, bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
I'm pretty sure no one with half of a brain has confused Chicago for Detroit or vice versa since The Grateful Dead or Jackson Brown way back in the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by iheartthed
You would be surprised at how many people don't really care enough about Detroit or Chicago to differentiate much between the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by TTime
Ha actually no I wouldn't. There are plenty of dumb people out there and also plenty of somewhat intelligent people who simply haven't traveled much. Having said that no one who's been to both cities is going to confuse them.Quote:
Originally Posted by iheartthed
Thanks for the insightful response.Quote:
Originally Posted by iheartthed
Heck, anyone who has family/friends in both cities [[and you'll be hard pressed to find any individual who doesn't have a relative that lives in Michigan) or regular access to the media would know there's no way to confuse both cities, unless they're just dumb or living under a rock...Quote:
Originally Posted by TTime
He probably means people outside the Midwest. Yeah, locally, everyone knows the differences, but not in other parts of the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
If you ask someone in California or New York, it's all the same thing. Cows and factories and urban decline, everywhere from Ohio west to the Great Plains.
I really don't think we do have an inferiority complex. Most Detroiters like Chicago for what it is, a quasi-urban oasis that's fun for the weekend, but I think most self-aware people around here enjoy Detroit just as much and prefer it over Chicago. We don't try to think we're the best place around. I love Detroit, but even I can realize New York City is one of the greatest cities on earth. Chicago likes to self-aggrandize itself, we're a lot more humble because of what we've been through.Quote:
Originally Posted by noise
The thing is, a splashy downtown or some nice neighborhoods don't hide the realities for Chicago either.
1. High Crime
2. Pension short fall
3. Failing public school system.
4. Residents living in poverty.
5. High unemployment
Sound familiar?:cool:
You need to get out of the Midwest. All the Midwest is seen in the same light nationally. Chicago has a dismal national reputation, just like Detroit.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
The Midwest is "corn country" per the stereotype. Everyone thinks it's Ma and Pa Kettle down on the farm. They don't distinguish between one declining metro and another because one happens to have a vibrant downtown and the other doesn't. They see the same headlines for both cities [[murder capitals, population decline, factories closing, bankruptcy, fat dudes who dress sloppy and like sports, etc.).
You ever notice that those horrible reality shows or paparazzi-laden articles never reference the Midwest? It's because it doesn't fit the script. You will never have a Desperate Housewives- Grosse Pointe or Million Dollar Listing Chicago or Kardashians hit Charlevoix. I know these things are ridiculous but they speak to what decision makers think of the public's perceptions. No one is saying "but Chicago has lost 40% of its population and Detroit has lost 70% of its population, and Detroit has gone bankrupt while Chicago is still careening towards bankruptcy therefore we're going to make some distinction."
It's all the same thing, from about Pittsburgh to Kansas City in the eyes of the non-Midwest public.
The fine folks in your social circle may see things that way but I find it hard to believe both coasts are populated almost entirely by simpletons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bham1982
And outside of the Midwest, this is the prevailing attitude about Chicago, fair or not. Even for those with familiarity with both cities, I think it's hard to argue that Detroit has been better favored in the media since its bankruptcy than Chicago over the same period of time. For people who don't know either city very well [[which is most people on Earth) the two cities are assumed to be very similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dbest
People on the coasts rely on general stereotypes, same as everyone else in the world. What do you first think of when you think "Paris"? I'm guessing it isn't giant, graffiti-laden housing projects full of angry Muslims. Yet much of Paris is exactly like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by TTime
You really think the average person in the Midwest knows that much of California is as redneck as Indiana? Of course not. They think the ocean and hippies and tech and Hollywood and yoga-crazy new age chicks. No one thinks about beer-bellied Bud from Barstow.
Similarly, no one from outside the Midwest is going to pick up on the regional nuances. Detroit and Chicago are more alike than different, so the stereotype is going to be schlubby white dudes who are sports superfans, and angry ghetto black people, and backwards rednecks outside the cities. Yes, it's a wild exaggeration, but there's a nugget of truth in the regional stereotypes.
Replace Chicago with Cleveland in this statement and I'm with you but otherwise this statement is laughable. Some people in Detroit simply must attempt to pull Chicago down to Detroit's level every chance they get no matter how absurd their argument is in reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by iheartthed
Chicago is doing a pretty good job at lowering itself to Detroit's level, it needs no help.Quote:
Originally Posted by TTime
Chicago is on the verge of bankruptcy, same as the state. Unemployment is actually higher in Chicago than Detroit. Population growth for the city, metro and state is zero or slightly negative. The school system is on the verge of collapse, same as Detroit. Chicago's credit rating is worst in the nation; Illinois' credit rating is worst in the nation. Chicago has most murders in the nation.
The pension crisis in Chicago/Illinois is ridiculously bad. There will be huge tax increases and spending cuts in the coming years. If anything Illinois is worse off than Chicago.
I'm going to side with the crowd-who gives a flyin' rip?!
When you've traveled enough through parts of Illinois and southern Wisconsin [[and even further parts), everything is considered a "suburb of Chicago". I've met a lot of those "fleeing" Cabrini-Green. Chicago seems to be a city that pumps lots of money into education only to have punk kids droop out with this "I don' wanna be no f-n' nerd." attitude. Meanwhile Detroit languishes with kids craving education only to have a third of our schools closed, some of the open ones infested with rats, and school supplies rotting in burnt-out warehouses.
I met a night-worker at a half-way home in Madison [[thought putting out "picked herring' for everyone was a real nice midnight treat). He was former drill instructor from Chicago, and he hated the Pistons. He referred to Isaiah Thomas as a "punk", and he expanding on that by saying all the other Pistons were "no good punks", too.
I did find that folks from that Deeper Faith/Deeper Life health-n-wealth homeless-exploitation cult [[the one that was putting flower-venders out on the corners of Southfield and Evergreen in bad weather-that same one that the folks in Louisville wisely cracked down on) were trying to recruit desperate folks from Chicago to move to Detroit. When one guy approached asked them where in Detroit he'd be located to, they responded by saying "every part of Detroit" is okay. He called B.S. on that.
Yes and no. Chicago is a city that works, Detroit isn't. As bad as the corrupt Chicago government is they have had way better leadership then Detroit has had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dbest
I have to agree with this. Having lived in both cities, I couldn't tell you which is more corrupt. But hands down, Chicago is better at it than Detroit. They actually, at times make it work for the people.Quote:
Originally Posted by softailrider
I don't know what it is about Chicago, but the open corruption seems to trump the silent corporate corruption. It's one of the last bastions of free trade. More or less.
Let's just hope with all our Homeland Security patrolling and empty buildings, we don't have anything like Chicago has with Homan Square.
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/5/1...ictims_of_past
Are we talking about Chicago or Boston here? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by dtowncitylover
Many people born and raised in the Detroit area have left in search of better opportunities elsewhere and this was not just in the recent decades of Detroit's precipitous decline but began long before. While Detroiters generally regarded Chicago favorably, those leaving overwhelming chose places other than Chicago to make their careers. New York was unsurprisingly the biggest magnet of them all, but a few other east and west cities drew plenty of Detroiters as well. I think that people leaving their hometowns want to make a really big break with the familiar and look farther than whatever their own region affords. To an Englishman from Liverpool, Manchester is just not very appealing.
New City, one of Chicago's alternative weeklies, current issue is all about Detroit:
http://newcity.com/2015/07/02/why-detroit/
Who cares?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bucket
There is much glitz in Chicago but there are also square miles of ruins and very rough neighborhoods. Over 4th of July, 47 residents were hit by gunfire.
Detroit has been and still is part of their economy. Ford-Chicago is an old plant that produces wonderful cars. Machine tools are made there. Auto suppliers make parts there. To be asking young couples in love on Chicago's Northside what they think of Detroit is like axing them what they think of Disneyland.
jjaba, Proudly Westside.
Well, we know you do care since you took the time to read, then quote and respond to that post.Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroitBoy
Lots of people in the office read the article and learned about a lot of the new stuff going on in Detroit that they didn't know about. Wouldn't you agree that's it's good for people to learn about good things happening in Detroit?
Yes, I would agree. However that isn't what this is about. This about some guys with a video camera, walking up to total strangers, who have never been to Detroit, and asking them what do they think about Detroit. Which if you ask me, and, of course, I realize you didn't, is a pretty pointless exercise.Quote:
Originally Posted by wolverine
What's your point in returning to the thread? If you want to come in and blast the thread and drop the mic, by all means.. But to keep picking the mic back up is laughable. Then again this seems to be your style on this board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Honk Tonk, you responded to the wrong post if you thought I was taking about the video. My post had nothing to do with the video. I was talking about the Reader article not the video. Please take another look at the conversation above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk