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What is that one tough nerd is doing? Gov. Rick Snyder is thinking about throwing his hat into the presidential ring.
Here is my advise " Don't run! stay as governor! " You will lose before you go the Iowa Caucus.
Here's the source!
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireS...l-run-30404689
I'm about to laugh right now AHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!!
If the United States needs and wants an INDEPENDENT candidate for POTUS, Snyder should be their man.
He isn't a Democrat and he isn't anything like the 20+ possible GOP candidates running for their presidential nomination.
His campaign slogan: "I'm not a Bush and I'm certainly not a Clinton, but I am proven nerd from the great state of Michigan."
He will be eaten alive from the "real" media. The local media in Michigan is a big pushover. I hope he runs so I can get some laughs.
A very long shot. The upcoming vote on the sales tax hike which he is supporting is lose-lose for him. If it goes down it makes him look weak, if he wins he's an apostate to the the-no-new-taxes fanatics of his party, who are the most ardent primary voters.
There is a strong possibility of no candidate having a majority of delegates going into the Republican convention, maybe no one with even 25% - their first since son-of-Owosso-Michigan Thomas Dewey won out the brokered 1948 convention. A brokered convention could give him and Ohio's Kasich dark horse opportunities. Even then Kasich would have the edge as Ohio's status as swing vote state would be of more value.
Would not we have said the same thing about Obama or Clinton at some point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lowell
Snyder is a pragmatic, non-dogmatic governor. With Walker and Kaisch ahead, hard to see him breaking past them. But who knows. Sometimes a long shot strikes. And might set him up for 2020 or other office.
Of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cliffy
And from what I hear through my circuits, most outside of Michigan aren't fans of the politics in Michigan as of late. It's just not discussed often because Michigan is considered flyover country...
I say 'no' for two reasons:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch
1). The pure number of Republicans [[ ~20) running makes it hard to pick ANYONE to be the nominee.
2). Snyder is so different then the entire Republican base.
Snyder is the proverbial "I-can-win-in-November-but-not-get-nominated-by-my-party' candidate.
I need a good laugh today; now I've had it.
You're probably right, but simple categorization of 'the base' of the Republican Party doesn't capture the current tumult in the party.Quote:
Originally Posted by emu steve
If he runs, he'll have to give up being governor. That's a win in itself.
So Snyder, get out of the presidential race while you still can. Stay in the governors' race for Michigan. Later retire and die!
Snyder makes perfect sense if they want to win the moderate vote. Republicans need someone that can get it done in states like Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio. None of the current candidates[[maybe Chris Christie) can really to do that.
Ha Ha Ha... Thanks for a good laugh, on a beautiful spring day.
He is young enough that he could be the nominee of the Republican party after it evolves away from its current rigid orthodoxy, but he could never win the nomination of the current one. Also, I have a hard time imagining someone with his voice as a successful presidential candidate.
No thanks. He's barely into his second term. Finish your job.
Am I the only one who watches the state of the state? He is weak at best with public speaking. No chance at all in a presidential race without that skill.
And that is what is so sad about what has become of too large a portion of the American electorate. People are too focused on the superficial [[such as public speaking skills) and not focused enough on the facts and substance of a candidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ABetterDetroit
Case in point: The current occupant of the White House was a fantastic orator during the campaigns [[thanks in large part to the teleprompter) but that is where it ended for him. Public speaking was his only viable skill. There was no substance behind the man and nothing that qualified him for the highest office in the Nation.
Sure, this is my opinion and we are all entitled to our opinions. But some may think that Governor Snyder is a fine public speaker while others may not. I am neutral on the issue of his oratorical skills because they do not determine his fitness for office. But I do believe that he has done an extraordinary job as Governor.
He's not a great speaker. And I agree with you that he has little chance without 'that skill'.Quote:
Originally Posted by ABetterDetroit
The public, though, does notice things like this. They know they elected a slick talker and a polarizing leader. A solid leader and dull leader might have some appeal.
I think the biggest problem for Snyder is that Walker made successful changes in Wisconsin that are showing results. He makes a case for, and has proven that public service reform can be done fairly. And that we can do a better job of serving citizens that we have.
Oh yeah, that Obama. Nothing but a smooth talker. He's just a community organizer.
He was the director of a community organization between undergrad [[majored in political science) and law school where he was president of the Harvard Law Review and graduated manga cum laude. Afterwards for over a decade he was an attorney and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago. During this time he also did various non-profit things, sat on boards, etc. After that he ran and was relected for several terms as a state senator and then after that was a us senator.
Overall a pretty accomplished person, and his law background isn't dissimilar to the majority of politicians.
Oh yeah and don't forget, "divisive". It's not his fault that a segment of our nation's citizens are flipping out. The same people are constantly flipping out about all kinds of things [[rarely related to him) so they don't have much credibility. They woke up and saw on the calendar that it was 2015, and they just can't cope with it.
Snyder can't be president because Republicans don't like him.
Oh, come on now!!! Don't litter all other this thread with your facts!!! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Jason
I don't think that's true, but the Republican extremists, who essentially choose the candidate, think he's a liberal. Truth be told, he's not very far to the right of Obama, who also is not liberalQuote:
Originally Posted by Jason
I respect President Obama, and I think he is well intentioned. But I disagree with him. Am I allowed that? Or does that make me a 'birther'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason
He ran as someone who would unite us. And certainly he met with Republican resistance. Big surprise to him, it couldn't be. I don't see that he did much to unite us.
Uniting actually requires compromise, and Obama has not compromised. Obamacare [[bless him) and changing filibuster rules were don unilaterally and in what may come back to bite Dems.
Obama set a high standard for himself saying he would unite, and instead he ramming things through brutally. At this point again the Dem say it was because Repubs were stubborn and wouldn't help. Sure, that's true. And that's the world he said he'd unite.
As to Snyder.... I don't agree that he's not liked. He just ain't anything special to a lot of them. He did grant Michigan citizens the freedom of associate via granting a right to work even if you don't want to join a union -- but when he could he actually was a Uniter. And that's not what the public on either side seems to have been seeking.
From today's comics:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason
Hard to see this happening, but maybe a Bush-Snyder or Rubio-Snyder ticket. That isn't impossible to fathom.
An extraordinary job? In what manner? He's been extraordinary at manufacturing fiscal crises by cutting taxes for millionaires, then making up the difference by slashing spending on education. His propensity to cave on issues he's not personally invested in indicates to me we'd be involved in four or five stupid wars before his first year was over. He'd be an even bigger disaster than George W was. And don't get me started on job creation. Michigan's recovery this time is yet another auto-based recovery, not some magical increase in start-ups or drawing jobs from other states due to Snyder's tax policies.Quote:
Originally Posted by SyGolden48236
Probably he wants to serve out his term traveling around the country giving political speeches so he can experience driving on some decent roads.
But those tax cuts for the rich are just about to pay off......this time. You are supposed to ignore that fact that they just create a budget mess, and don't create any more economic activity. At least he hasn't totally blown up the budget and tanked the economy like Brownback has in KansasQuote:
Originally Posted by Don K
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So then George Bush was a great public speaker, by your rationale.Quote:
Originally Posted by ABetterDetroit
George Bush was fairly bad public speaker, but he didn't have a high, squeaky voice. Snyder has a worse voice than any president elected since radio became widespread--Coolidge didn't have a great voice, but he was elected very early in the radio era.Quote:
Originally Posted by softailrider
Voters, consciously or not, recognize that the presidency has a substantial element of public presentation and performance, in a way that the office of governor does not, and favor candidates who are better at these things. As people move more and more to voting strictly by party, as is logical in the current polarized environment, voters are more likely to overlook specific defects in their party's candidates, but I don't expect that to extend to the individual party's nominating process.
You are one of those people that see the R after his name instead of a D and that's what makes your mind up. He's been a decent governor, one that doesn't have a problem proposing things that piss off his own party and that's what we need more of out of our leaders. Most of them walk the party line, Snyder doesn't do that. He feels we need a higher sales tax to fix the roads, instead of bullshitting around, he comes out and just says it and puts it to a vote. Most politicians would try to pretty it up before they sell it to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don K
If you check it out Graduation has increased percentage wise each year while he's been Gov. so "slashing spending on education" has worked. As for "cutting taxes for millionaires"; he can't cut taxes on the people that don't pay any and are just consumers ofQuote:
Originally Posted by Don K
He certainly can not lead his own legislature. He freely admits that proposal 1 was not the way he would have gone about raising MDOTs budget to fix the roads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason
The reason the percentage of graduates is increasing is because the largest generation [[Millennials) in world history is currently college-age. So of course there will naturally be way more people graduating in their classes, simply because of their sheer size.Quote:
Originally Posted by coracle
And an increase in graduatiom rates means nothing if they're not learning anything. Instead, let's try discussing how Michigan schools are now in the bottom 10 states for the quality of their education...
Percentages are adjusted for population size.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
But let's realize that all the statistics used here at DetroitYes and in the world are based on studies being commissioned by radical Environmentalists or Tea Partiers wherein we each only choose the numbers that support our own POV.
There is certainly room for disagreement here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch
For what it's worth, while probably on the opposite end of the political spectrum as Wesley Mouch, I am also not a fan of President Obama.
"Once we get into May, the governor will travel more out of the state and promote Michigan, particularly the remarkable economic comeback," Jarrod Agen said.
Yeah because he won't want to be around once Proposal 1 fails.
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Originally Posted by Don K
+1000, Snyder hasn't created jack for jobs since he signed the RTW legislation. Michigan is in the same predicament as it was before he gained office as far as jobs are concerned. The only one's being created are low wage jobs, where you have to work two or three of them, to make ends meet. Then he took the tax burden off the rich, and put it squarely on the middle and lower working classes laps. Now he's going to tour the country to toot his horn about the outstanding job he's done, while we are still dodging potholes and praying not to hit one.
It's actually sleazy that Snyder is taking credit for the low wage/insecure jobs being created when the credit should be more like 95% Obama and 5% Bush.
Governors [[and presidents) tend to get the blame or the credit for what happens when they are in office, whether it has much to do with them or not. That isn't anything about Snyder in particular; it is just the way it works. Sometimes it actually does have something to do with them, but usually when it comes to governors and the economy, not a lot.
The roads are terrible because the users of the roads [[Michigan residents) fail to compromise and pay more. There are options like gas tax, mileage taxes or raising the sales tax. No one wants to pay more, which is understandable, but if we dont do something the roads and bridges will fall apart to the point they are no longer useable. This isn't a political issue its the truth and making public safety about politics one of the reasons this country is going to hell. If we cant compromise then what do we actually accomplish?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cincinnati_Kid
Now Don, do you really think the Detroit crisis was 'manufactured'? If so, then Snyder is much smarter than I thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don K
But as this thread has wound away from the stated topic, I realized that the topic shouldn't have been RS for President, but RS for Vice-President.
The Republican slate may be as devoid of great thinkers as the Democratic slate, but unlike the Dems the Pubs have a deep bench. No need for Snyder -- unless he's the serious 'tough nerd' VP behind someone else, bringing them proven Machiavellian creds and frankly a moderate record of achievements, only spoiled by RTW which was mostly shoved down his throat. The 'inventor of the internet' for a new era.
I'd vote for Snyder for President.
He's tackled tough issues that weren't sexy but needy tackling. And, he seems to be trying honestly to not be divisive, and to keep an eye on the bottom line.
I like him.
1953
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Originally Posted by 1953
Glad somebody does, I sure don't.
I suppose this is what passes for compassion in today's GOP: fighting to deny a dying man's marriage.
https://www.washingtonblade.com/2015...mans-marriage/
"Moderate"? No.
"Pragmatic"? No.
"A Leader"? No.
Run of the mill for the GOP? Sadly, yes.
When Snyder first went into office, I thought he had the opportunity to be the next Reagan, where he could appeal to both parties, and thought that he had a good chance to run for President if things went well.
While I still like him, I just don't see a Presidential run being successful.
Where Reagan was able to appeal to members of both parties and voters who supported both parties, today the landscape seems to have changed. Republican party leaders and supporters don't back him because the Republican party these days is all about their ideology, and that's about it.
Democrat voters here in Michigan seem to look at the R next to Snyder's name and that's it for them. While Snyder has done a lot of 'Republican-like' things, he's also ventured into territory quite a number of times into things that Democrats would favor, but voters don't see that.
A large part of that plays into the last and final reason why he wouldn't win, and that's that he doesn't have the personality for it. He doesn't grandstand, and while most politicians do that way too much, there's a case that he does it too little.
The last two governors had their own style that, for better or worse, made things happen for them. Other politicians were afraid of Engler and he strategically used that to get what he wanted. Granholm played the great social game, being everybodys best friend in order to get what she wanted. Snyder doesn't really do either of these things exceptionally well.
Instead, he counts on common sense and logic to make things happen. That approach helped him succeed in his career, but unfortunately, relying on them just doesn't get it done in politics, and it has hampered him, and I think makes him a non-contender for a run.
Excellent post. Not a word I disagree with.Quote:
Originally Posted by sirrealone
You're right about Reagan. But allow me to add that nobody saw Reagan coming. Nobody was saying "watch this guy, he's transformational". In fact he seemed rather shallow. He was an actor. He's just playing the role. And we got blindsided. Like him or not, he transformed America.
Yes, politics seems foul today. But again I think just when we least expect it, we may get blindsided by someone who isn't so interested in fighting the battles of the past, but will find a way to look past those battles and again connect with the aspirations of Americans. Get ready to be blindsided. Get ready to be transformed.
I guess I have a somewhat different opinion of Saint Ronnie. I less than fondly recall the total abdication of responsibility of him and his administration as the AIDS crisis grew and grew and thousands died, including my best friend. Year after year and that evil old man could not even utter the term "AIDS" let alone do anything about it. I hope that disgusting, sorry excuse for a human being is rotting in Hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by sirrealone
I have no doubt that most of the current GOP hopefuls would do the same as he did.
Like what? RTW? No. Gay marriage? No. RTA? That's not R or D, that's common sense. If anything he's a Rockfeller Republican that's cornered into caving into corporate and tea party Republican decisions. I truly believe he personally believes that gays should get married, but can't because that would create in-party chaos.Quote:
Originally Posted by sirrealone
And Reagan was popular because he told the American public what they wanted to hear after Carter told the truth. That brainwashed them into believing his stupid voodoo economics which failed the American people.
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Originally Posted by dtowncitylover
Agreed. Couldn't have said it better myself...
Um, let's see, how about first we start off with fixing Detroit's finances? You think any true-to-the-bones conservative Republican would have touched that? No it would have been the same answer that the city received for the last fifty year: Too bad, so sad, now go deal with it yourself. Snyder put into motion the ability to put aside a mayor who meant well but didn't have any idea as well as a City Council who was dead set against...well everything...and got things done.
If that's not enough, some of the other things that were kind of non-Republican-like include pushing for a Medicaid expansion, supporting a state-run health Exchange, stumping for the Proposal 1 tax increase.
Yes, he's done quite a few Republican-like things, I mean he IS in fact a Republican, but he does not follow the proverbial handbook that so many politicians seem to follow where they make their decisions solely based on what the party suggests they should do.
The things he's done for his own party outweighs any "progressive" bone in his body.Quote:
Originally Posted by sirrealone
Why so intolerant? Can't you see that Snyder is way better than your average Republican? Or do all Republicans look alike?Quote:
Originally Posted by dtowncitylover
He can't be any worse than what we been getting lately from both parties. Presidents latety have been little more than figureheads.
It's the bureaucracy that's in control.