Duggan Shows His True Colors in the GRCC

UPDATE: City Backs off Fines Issued to GRCC Building Owners
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Well, now that he has all the reins of power, our Mayor is proving to be what I feared when he first showed interest in the job of leading the city of Detroit.

He is a fool and a liar and if this is the way he is going to go after so-called blight, he must go. Now. I don't even care who replaces him, as long as they weren't trained in the McNamara School of Political Thugs and Professional Criminals.

http://motorcitymuckraker.com/2014/1...tive-corridor/

Already this is becoming a hot button issue, the mayor does NOT know what beehive he just tickled. Seriously, this will become the beginning of his doomly downfall. I promise.

No Cheers on this one.

He has been downgraded, I will no longer use a capital M for his title...he has lost any hint of respect I might've been reserving for the vain hope I had that he wasn't what I feared he might be. Next up, the derogatory nicknaming. Lookout!

Sincerely,
John

Wow is all i can say about this post, although you make some points that could be considered valid, i dont think calling for his head is correct. Some of the things he has done outweigh this 10 fold.

just wait...he is a wolf in sheep's clothing...although I had great hopes he had learned and grown some since his tenure as McNamara's Hatchetman.

I hear Duggan's the guy burning down Heidelberg. So much for the Germans investing in Fisher 21!

seriously why is everyone is acting as if he just committed murder? he's going after graffiti and taggers... i guarantee he'll reverse the decision to fine these guys once he realizes they're not the real enemy [[although I don't personally like the look of graffiti, especially the whole NEKST on MOCAD, i respect other people's love for it). motor city muckraker is a pathetic website too.


the beginning of his downfall? seriously? after everything he's done so far you think this will all of a sudden make anyone think he's some anti-christ? newsflash: 99% of people won't care if a few graffiti artists got fined.. even if they're 'creative'

https://www.facebook.com/MayorMikeDuggan

313-224-3300

Please take a 30 seconds and post to Duggan's facebook page or call his office. Public feedback can work in these situations.

Aren't the ordinances passed by City Council, and not the Mayor?

Graffitti is illicitly put on a wall in a public place and is VANDALISM , not art.
Duggan is 100% in the right, and this practice of vandals needs to be stopped.

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Originally Posted by Willi

Graffitti is illicitly put on a wall in a public place and is VANDALISM , not art.
Duggan is 100% in the right, and this practice of vandals needs to be stopped.

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The GRCC murals were all done with permission and encouragement from the building owners. That's why this is some bullshit.

I didn't see this much outrage when thug KK was raping and pillaging the City of Detroit during his infamous reign. Maybe there are other agendas in play here???

Not permitted or allowed; prohibited; unlawful --- even if the building owner said okay ?
So illegals running drugs and child pornagraphy in a building is OKAY --if the owner says yes.

LAW - obeyed by everyone. Since when does a PUBLIC space suddenly get new law ?

PUT DOWN THE PITCH FORKS PEOPLE:

https://twitter.com/AlexisWileyNews/...14361416314880

"@MayorMikeDuggan is making it clear. We support wall art and murals done with the permission of building owners. "



can everyone relax now and go back to discussing I-94 and Berlin night clubs coming to Detroit?

Wow after reading the first post I thought he was out raping women and murdering cops. Then I read the article. Yea, he's taking an aggressive approach to graffiti and vandalism. Was there MAYBE a bit of a miscommunication here with the police and these art projects? Perhaps. Maybe the cops just got a bit gung-ho when they say a bunch of guys with spray cans tagging up buildings.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this gets resolved in an amicable matter where murals painted with the owners permission are not going to be taken down.

Maybe others should stop the fear mongering and chill a little bit.

I can't wait for the day when building exteriors are safe from graffiti vandals. Too much ruin porn, menacing faces and veiled threats all along major streets. Its sub-consciously disturbing and threatening. I long for a clean and welcoming space.

Yesterday, I saw a cop pull a stake truck over on Fort St. I saw that the truck was filled with a mish-mash of metal - including two chain link gates about 6 or 7 feet high. Looked like illegal scrap to me. It was such a happy moment to see that scrapping, which used to be tolerated, isn't going to be tolerated any more. Yay adults are in charge again.

Same for graffiti - zero tolerance.

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Originally Posted by SWMAP

Same for graffiti - zero tolerance.

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Do you consider this graffiti? Under some definitions, it is not:

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Graffiti: Writing or drawings scribbled, scratched, or sprayed illicitly on a wall or other surface in a public place.

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Here I will take the wildly unpopular stand that "wall art" is hideous and should be removed. Commence throwing stones.

[[Illegal signs are illegal signs)

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To me the important paragraph in that Detroit Muckraker article is:
"Among the unanswered questions is why police are bothering with murals painted with permission when an increasing number of graffiti vandals are targeting occupied and historic buildings, freeway signs, schools, churches, cars, houses, light poles, mailboxes and playground equipment."

My guess is that when the "stop graffiti" edict came down to the police from on high. The local cops over there on the west side went "I know where there's a lot of graffiti!" And not knowing, or perhaps even caring, about the distinction between unsolicited tagging on public and private property, and artwork performed with the permission of the property owner, went off in their usual cop way to pick off the easy low-hanging fruit first.

You have to remember that for the cops themselves it's all about hitting those targets and filling those quotas as quickly and easily as possible. And catching actual vandals in the act is haaaard.

But I'm pretty certain that this is not what Duggan meant. And, as you can see from Spartan Dawg's post above, he already seems to be backing off this pretty hard. After all, the young, the hipsters, and the arty crowd [[including lots of folks out in the neighborhoods) have been part of his overall support group, and he will need their support going forward too, now that he's actually the one in power.

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Originally Posted by Gannon

Well, now that he has all the reins of power, our Mayor is proving to be what I feared when he first showed interest in the job of leading the city of Detroit.

He is a fool and a liar and if this is the way he is going to go after so-called blight, he must go. Now. I don't even care who replaces him, as long as they weren't trained in the McNamara School of Political Thugs and Professional Criminals.

http://motorcitymuckraker.com/2014/1...tive-corridor/

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Hmm. It sounds like perhaps your true colors are the ones that are showing, friend.

I'd suggest several 'religious' or "black/brown" historic icons murals, or multi-ethnics-working-together murals as part of the mix-- most of the "already been here" older folk would tend to see a lot of the spacy-edgy depictions as [[ahem) "demonic" and all it takes is that to get folks riled up..

Looks like a mistake that will be corrected.

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Originally Posted by RickBeall

Looks like a mistake that will be corrected.

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His facebook is getting BLOWN UP right now!

Just because a business owner allows it - DOES NOT make it legal.
Let's be clear here, it is a public space, used by all, seen by all.
--If prostitution occurred with the chick thrown up against the wall, in a public space,
it would not be legal, even if the owner likes to ""get some"" and condones the practice.
Even if the chick screamed PERFORMANCE ART ....it would still be seen as a crime.

It is illegal, until the day the law is changed for anyone to paint anything anywhere.

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Originally Posted by Willi

Just because a business owner allows it - DOES NOT make it legal.
Let's be clear here, it is a public space, used by all, seen by all.
--If prostitution occurred with the chick thrown up against the wall, in a public space,
it would not be legal, even if the owner likes to ""get some"" and condones the practice.
Even if the chick screamed PERFORMANCE ART ....it would still be seen as a crime.

It is illegal, until the day the law is changed for anyone to paint anything anywhere.

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What law in Detroit prohibits owners from painting their buildings?

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Originally Posted by KJ5

The GRCC murals were all done with permission and encouragement from the building owners. That's why this is some bullshit.

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if there is permission then the artist just has to provide it, case closed.

Broderick Tower residents are receiving eviction notices due to unsightly mural on side of building.:rolleyes:

A building owner cannot paint his building """anyway""" he chooses.

Try painting KKK on a building downtown in big black letters and see if someone doesn't
attempt to fine the owner for the mere use of "paint" on his building as artful expression

Everything has limits.............some people really don't like the graffiti or appreciate it

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Originally Posted by Willi

A building owner cannot paint his building """anyway""" he chooses.

Try painting KKK on a building downtown in big black letters and see if someone doesn't
attempt to fine the owner for the mere use of "paint" on his building as artful expression

Everything has limits.............some people really don't like the graffiti or appreciate it

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Well, quite a few people DO like it. Do their opinions not count? And most importantly, the building owners like it and permitted it.

Someone got their tag painted over......

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Originally Posted by 48307

Well, quite a few people DO like it. Do their opinions not count? And most importantly, the building owners like it and permitted it.

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Willi speaks from experience.

SMH at uptight dyes people that get worked up over whipped cream on shit

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Originally Posted by Willi

Just because a business owner allows it - DOES NOT make it legal.
Let's be clear here, it is a public space, used by all, seen by all.
--If prostitution occurred with the chick thrown up against the wall, in a public space,
it would not be legal, even if the owner likes to ""get some"" and condones the practice.
Even if the chick screamed PERFORMANCE ART ....it would still be seen as a crime.

It is illegal, until the day the law is changed for anyone to paint anything anywhere.

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thats you being clear?

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Originally Posted by 48307

Well, quite a few people DO like it. Do their opinions not count? And most importantly, the building owners like it and permitted it.

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didn't we as a forum determine that Duggan said art was going to be exempt and that this is now just becoming a pissing contest of radical opinions.

If the graffiti "art" - in a public space - makes people feel uncomfortable, ill at ease, apprehensive, etc. does that not count in a similar way to distributing hate literature in a public space, hate speech via megaphone in a public place, etc.

A public space should be neutral where everyone feels safe, at ease, without controversy.

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Originally Posted by DetroitPlanner

Willi speaks from experience.

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WTF - explain yourself a bit DetroitPlanner

You folks don't appreciate real social art. Let the murals stand and don't blame Duggan for this mess.

That doggone Duggan done and did it again. Spray painted my faith in municipal administrators.

The graffiti "art" is just made up bullshit, like Ebonics.
People, black and white, regard it as a sign of limited education or sophistication

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Originally Posted by poobert

Hmm. It sounds like perhaps your true colors are the ones that are showing, friend.

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I have NEVER been shy with my critique of this man, and only backed down when he won that magical write-in campaign because in our representative democracy of human beings...our leaders deserve respect until they prove otherwise. I was clear about my fears of lingering McNamarahood tendencies.

In my defense, though, I've been cooped up in the hospital for a few days...pumped up on steroids and heavy doses of albuteral...and haven't slept but 5 hours since Sunday morning. And the joint had worse food than prison! [[at least that 24-bed county lockup in Wyoming I visited a decade ago)


So...my comments stand until this is cleared up...GSCC is facing those $8000 worth of tickets, and I'd like to see the mayor earn back his capital M by publicly tearing them up on all the news channels. Maybe even find a way to promote the corridor with their amazing mission.

I'm easy to please, but obviously on a hair trigger for errant behavior.

Cheers!

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Originally Posted by cla1945

I didn't see this much outrage when thug KK was raping and pillaging the City of Detroit during his infamous reign. Maybe there are other agendas in play here???

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You've GOT to be kidding me.

One of his thugs visited my home to chase me off...and I know my comments were discussed over some of their meetings at a certain downtown hangout near the bus station. An old friend worked there and called me twice to warn me to stop posting under my real name.

My passion against Kwhyme knew no bounds, he was destroying the city of my birth. He almost even got what he deserved!

Cheers,
John

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Originally Posted by rex

SMH at uptight dyes people that get worked up over whipped cream on shit

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I must've been late to the trough...I never saw the whipped cream. I think MikeM was spraying it out of his plane.

Cheers!

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Originally Posted by Willi

A public space should be neutral where everyone feels safe, at ease, without controversy.

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Since it was built, I've never liked the way the Compuware HQ Building looks. And that it hovers over Campus Martius adds to my displeasure. Willi, could you see if Duggan would have that eyesore torn down for me??

What strikes me is that NYC used to have 90% of the world's graffiti in the early eighties, everywhere else was just treading on new ground. Now, a lot of large urban and small scale city environments are messed up with graffiti. My city is covered in it and it is ugly. NYC is now a 100 times more sober visually speaking than it was 35 years ago. I remember not seeing through subway car windows. Add to that, the noise and grime and it is a very depressing experience on a daily basis. It is not only a question of property defacement in terms of have-nots seeking to take ownership of a building, it is more about how a secretive minority seeking to erase quality in a public space. The respect for social interaction in architecture is destroyed by a stroke of a spraycan.

I do agree with owner solicited or accepted mural work, and even in the tag style if a rendering is provided and quality becomes a prerequisite. But unsolicited graffiti and tagging is a vain and hypocritical gesture for the most part.

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Since it was built, I've never liked the way the Compuware HQ Building looks. And that it hovers over Campus Martius adds to my displeasure. Willi, could you see if Duggan would have that eyesore torn down for me??

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True that, and there are legion of interior decorator professionals and architects and historic preservationists who'd like to send Dan Gilbert's design team back to school, or down the river to help his Cleveland holdings confuse and alarm people!

Public space being the key word here - the ordinary people usually get to attend a ""meeting""
of some sort when a property, building, etc gets developed and speak their mind.

Was there a ""meeting"" when that building owner opted for a Variance from the Normal zoning,
toward the Public Space being an art zone ? People can't do whatever they want in public.

Did anyone attend something or is it Vigilante Art - taking the law into their own hands

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Originally Posted by Gannon

I have NEVER been shy with my critique of this man, and only backed down when he won that magical write-in campaign because in our representative democracy of human beings...our leaders deserve respect until they prove otherwise. I was clear about my fears of lingering McNamarahood tendencies.

In my defense, though, I've been cooped up in the hospital for a few days...pumped up on steroids and heavy doses of albuteral...and haven't slept but 5 hours since Sunday morning. And the joint had worse food than prison! [[at least that 24-bed county lockup in Wyoming I visited a decade ago)


So...my comments stand until this is cleared up...GSCC is facing those $8000 worth of tickets, and I'd like to see the mayor earn back his capital M by publicly tearing them up on all the news channels. Maybe even find a way to promote the corridor with their amazing mission.

I'm easy to please, but obviously on a hair trigger for errant behavior.

Cheers!

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Hey Gannon, you wouldnt have your pin number handy would you? lol

Whoa...cross platform commentary, hello Facebook friend.

I don't do ATMs, haven't had an account with one in a decade or so.

But I am finally getting in for my long-lusted soak in the tub...gosh I've missed this meditation.

Let's face it, the DPD is a joke. I'm sure there are some good people serving there, but as a department it's a joke. No matter what the letter of the law people say, you look silly when you're getting tough on street art while violence and serious crime continues to spin out of control. Even John Oliver took some pot shots at the DPD: http://www.metrotimes.com/Blogs/arch...-the-caid-raid .

The city is still littered with obvious crack houses, but it's good to know the CAID will never throw a party without all the proper permits.

Mayor Duggan lifts fines leveled against Grand River Creative Corridor, apologizes

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Originally Posted by EastsideAl

To me the important paragraph in that Detroit Muckraker article is:
"Among the unanswered questions is why police are bothering with murals painted with permission when an increasing number of graffiti vandals are targeting occupied and historic buildings, freeway signs, schools, churches, cars, houses, light poles, mailboxes and playground equipment."

My guess is that when the "stop graffiti" edict came down to the police from on high. The local cops over there on the west side went "I know where there's a lot of graffiti!" And not knowing, or perhaps even caring, about the distinction between unsolicited tagging on public and private property, and artwork performed with the permission of the property owner, went off in their usual cop way to pick off the easy low-hanging fruit first.

You have to remember that for the cops themselves it's all about hitting those targets and filling those quotas as quickly and easily as possible. And catching actual vandals in the act is haaaard.

But I'm pretty certain that this is not what Duggan meant. And, as you can see from Spartan Dawg's post above, he already seems to be backing off this pretty hard. After all, the young, the hipsters, and the arty crowd [[including lots of folks out in the neighborhoods) have been part of his overall support group, and he will need their support going forward too, now that he's actually the one in power.

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This is true of people in power of dysfunctional institutions in general. They usually are hyper-aggressive and vigilant about irrelevant and low hanging fruit issues. The big problems they're usually apathetic about.

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Originally Posted by Gannon

I have NEVER been shy with my critique of this man, and only backed down when he won that magical write-in campaign because in our representative democracy of human beings...our leaders deserve respect until they prove otherwise. I was clear about my fears of lingering McNamarahood tendencies.

In my defense, though, I've been cooped up in the hospital for a few days...pumped up on steroids and heavy doses of albuteral...and haven't slept but 5 hours since Sunday morning. And the joint had worse food than prison! [[at least that 24-bed county lockup in Wyoming I visited a decade ago)


So...my comments stand until this is cleared up...GSCC is facing those $8000 worth of tickets, and I'd like to see the mayor earn back his capital M by publicly tearing them up on all the news channels. Maybe even find a way to promote the corridor with their amazing mission.

I'm easy to please, but obviously on a hair trigger for errant behavior.

Cheers!

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Well now, this seems to be cleared up.
http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/artic...r#.VD7vOvldWSo
"Mayor Mike Duggan's administration admitted Wednesday that it made a mistake by issuing tickets to building owners -- particularly in the Grand River Creative Corridor [[GRRC) -- that had given permission to have murals painted on their buildings.
Eric Jones, director of Detroit Buildings, Safety Engineering & Environmental Department, which issued the tickets this week, was reviewing all the tickets and expected to rescind most of those that were issued. No specific number was given, but he said there's no problem have art on the buildings so long as the owners give permission."

Tempest in a teapot.

http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/artic...r#.VD70ZvldWYA

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City Admits It Shouldn't Have Cracked Down on Grand River Creative Corridor Art

Mayor Mike Duggan's administration admitted Wednesday that it made a mistake by issuing tickets to building owners -- particularly in the Grand River Creative Corridor [[GRRC) -- that had given permission to have murals painted on their buildings.

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Give Duggan credit. Now he's proven his value to the hipsters -- and got valuable press from Gannon that will help him in his run for Governor.

And none of this would have happened if he hadn't had the brilliant idea of creating a problem, only to prove that he's the solution. Brilliant.

Duggan for Senate.

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Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch

Give Duggan credit. Now he's proven his value to the hipsters -- and got valuable press from Gannon that will help him in his run for Governor.

And none of this would have happened if he hadn't had the brilliant idea of creating a problem, only to prove that he's the solution. Brilliant.

Duggan for Senate.

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Ooh, very Hegelian.

I was thinking about this earlier...wonder if the cops who wrote these controversial tickets have anything against the Mayor?! I'd love to learn the back story. Low-hanging fruit, incompetency, or revenge for some slight?!

No matter, at least now we know the Murals in Eastern Market are safe, and there'll not likely be any fines levied against the Dequindre Cut officials.

So...done before the end of the day. OK, taking the reins contains a learning curve. Kinda like the dynamics of the bus situation.


Cheers!

Whether you care about the GRCC or not, FINALLY someone after 40 years who cares about the city ordinances! Duggan for president.

Why does there need to be a controversery with this? Cops who want revenge? Really? Maybe it's actually just a MISCOMMUNICATION. Everyone is so cynical and pessimistic these days.

Yea. I get it. This is Detroit and you can't take a lot of things for face value around here. But for what Duggan has done so far in working with council and Kevyn Orr, as well as implementing a lot of good initiatives so far, I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt at this point.

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Why does there need to be a controversery with this? Cops who want revenge? Really? Maybe it's actually just a MISCOMMUNICATION. Everyone is so cynical and pessimistic these days.

Yea. I get it. This is Detroit and you can't take a lot of things for face value around here. But for what Duggan has done so far in working with council and Kevyn Orr, as well as implementing a lot of good initiatives so far, I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt at this point.

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Point taken. I will continue to give him the benefit of the doubt, but obviously will be ready to take it back on a moment's notice.

But to your first questions...this is from MC Muckraker:

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Detroit police still won’t comment on their role. Four officers last week detained Weaver, a muralist and several others for about an hour over a mural that was being painted with permission. The cops temporarily seized cameras from a PBS film crew that was documenting the muralist.

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There is more to this story, and until the bad seeds [[or stupid ones) in the DPD are rooted out, we will continue to suffer injustices...or merely mistakes. No matter, these end with mis-application of power at the least and the deaths of the next generation at the worst. I am lumping them together because there is a lingering epidemic within the DPD that must be cured.

IF Duggan is 'the man', he will get this done, too.


Sincerely,
John

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Originally Posted by Gannon

Point taken. I will continue to give him the benefit of the doubt, but obviously will be ready to take it back on a moment's notice.

But to your first questions...this is from MC Muckraker:



There is more to this story, and until the bad seeds [[or stupid ones) in the DPD are rooted out, we will continue to suffer injustices...or merely mistakes. No matter, these end with mis-application of power at the least and the deaths of the next generation at the worst. I am lumping them together because there is a lingering epidemic within the DPD that must be cured.

IF Duggan is 'the man', he will get this done, too.


Sincerely,
John

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The epidemic, as you put it, are the a-ho taggers that continue to deface the City making it less likely to be inhabitable. Did you have the same venom for Gilbert when he decided there was enough of that crap in Midtown?

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Originally Posted by nain rouge

Let's face it, the DPD is a joke. I'm sure there are some good people serving there, but as a department it's a joke. No matter what the letter of the law people say, you look silly when you're getting tough on street art while violence and serious crime continues to spin out of control. Even John Oliver took some pot shots at the DPD: http://www.metrotimes.com/Blogs/arch...-the-caid-raid .

The city is still littered with obvious crack houses, but it's good to know the CAID will never throw a party without all the proper permits.

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Boom! Nailed it! #CAIDRAID

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Originally Posted by Willi

The graffiti "art" is just made up bullshit, like Ebonics.
People, black and white, regard it as a sign of limited education or sophistication

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So hold on... large swathes of people agree that the murals in the GRCC are art, yet because you are Willi, typer of terribly formatted posts and maybe possible graduate of WSU, this is no longer considered art and is just nuisance vandalism that was vandalized on to the side of buildings with the owners consent? I'm extremely confused how you, and others, seem to deem yourselves the deciders of what is art, what is the best way for a University to spend money that was given to them for a specific purpose, etc.

This is art, whether you like it or not. This is artwork that many people, especially younger people, enjoy. It suddenly doesn't become art because you don't enjoy it or think that it's an eyesore. I think tons of things are eyesores and terrible, but they have every right to exist just as these murals do. Art is subjective, as is aesthetics and any other visual aspect of our world. You need to learn to tolerate, or ignore, that which you don't agree with and move on.

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The epidemic, as you put it, are the a-ho taggers that continue to deface the City making it less likely to be inhabitable. Did you have the same venom for Gilbert when he decided there was enough of that crap in Midtown?

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HT, you need more coffee. What the hell did Gilbert ever do in Midtown?! My venom...if you wish to contain it to that term...is reserved for the negative stuff he does...the seniors displaced without any consideration, the current land-owners he bullies to give up buildings within his target blocks, the despoiling of historic structures, the chasing after tax and inspection breaks [[which serve only to steal from a bankrupt city, no billionaire deserves any further discounts from what regular people must pay...let alone the efforts and time they endure to get through developmental red tape).

Besides, what does any of that have to do with this?! Why are you attempting to deflect honest critique of the Mayor...are you now on his payroll, too?!

LOL

Cheers

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Originally Posted by warsaw7

Boom! Nailed it! #CAIDRAID

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As much as I sympathize with the sentiment, that is old news that Duggan had NOTHING to do with...but he would gain loads of good karma, if not direct support and even friendship, if he would force the police department to make good with Aaron Timlin and return all of the property seized during that illegal raid, or the true value plus interest in cash...plus refunding all of the towing and impound fees charged, and expunging all tickets written. Even the ones earned...since they were only discovered due the illegal raid.

Timlin won HUGE in court, it is legal record...but the city has never made good on its theft, as far as I know.

Cheers!

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Originally Posted by Gannon

HT, you need more coffee. What the hell did Gilbert ever do in Midtown?! My venom...if you wish to contain it to that term...is reserved for the negative stuff he does...the seniors displaced without any consideration, the current land-owners he bullies to give up buildings within his target blocks, the despoiling of historic structures, the chasing after tax and inspection breaks [[which serve only to steal from a bankrupt city, no billionaire deserves any further discounts from what regular people must pay...let alone the efforts and time they endure to get through developmental red tape).

Besides, what does any of that have to do with this?! Why are you attempting to deflect honest critique of the Mayor...are you now on his payroll, too?!

LOL

Cheers

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You might of been under from surgery, or something else, but Gilbert had 3 young GP ladies arrested for spray painting stuff on one of his buildings. P/S, told you smoking that stuff would screw up your arteries. Glad to see your back with a vengeance.... for Dug-in.

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You might of been under from surgery, or something else, but Gilbert had 3 young GP ladies arrested for spray painting stuff on one of his buildings. P/S, told you smoking that stuff would screw up your arteries. Glad to see your back with a vengeance.... for Dug-in.

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Thought that was DOWNtown...until Franklin Township, as far as I know, he doesn't own anything north of Illitchville, at least not patrolled by his thugs and surveilled by his electronic dragweb.

I was born with under-developed lungs, and have had difficulty with 'em all my life. This is the second time in fifty years I've been hospitalized, though, that last time was almost exactly half my lifetime ago.

I was impressed with the reactions to, and occasional agreement with, my full disclosure of my limited-but-persistent herbal usage with the healthcare professionals who saved my life, and tended to my gabby self afterwards. My attending physician has the patience of a saint...it was my honor to be his patient.

Gettin' on with life, whee! Gonna remember ol' Bill Hicks' advice every morning, I'm really going to enjoy the rest of this ride.

Duggan has a handle on catching all the homeless Schizophrenics, nice twist on politics !
Just look for all the sharp edges, radiating energies, etc.

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http://www.schizlife.com/artwork/

Just see who tagged what, ask on the street who took credit, since its all PUBLIC
Wouldn't want a bunch of Schizophrenics without meds on the street of Grand River now would we ?

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Duggan has a handle on catching all the homeless Schizophrenics, nice twist on politics !
Just look for all the sharp edges, radiating energies, etc.

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http://www.schizlife.com/artwork/

Just see who tagged what, ask on the street who took credit, since its all PUBLIC
Wouldn't want a bunch of Schizophrenics without meds on the street of Grand River now would we ?

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What are you even talking about at this point? I'm more worried that you are schizophrenic. You seem to dream up reasons for everything being in perfect agreement with your world view and you write like you've been off meds for a couple months. Are you implying that people who do consensual morals on properties are schizophrenic...? I'm confused as hell.

We know your confused Motz...maybe your room mates can help you out with that.
I hear WSU has those remedial English classes [[with tutor) for those that didn't get a GED.

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UPDATE: City Backs off Fines Issued to GRCC Building Owners
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Well, now that he has all the reins of power, our Mayor is proving to be what I feared when he first showed interest in the job of leading the city of Detroit.

He is a fool and a liar and if this is the way he is going to go after so-called blight, he must go. Now. I don't even care who replaces him, as long as they weren't trained in the McNamara School of Political Thugs and Professional Criminals.

http://motorcitymuckraker.com/2014/1...tive-corridor/

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This situation is a perfect example of why I really like Mayor Duggan.

Illegal graffiti tagging is rampant in the city, and it has been tolerated and allowed to persist for years, at the expense of city residents and business owners.

Mayor Duggan is right to enforce the laws against vandalism in the city. In this specific case, tickets were mistakenly issued to people who were painting legally, with the permission of the building owners. The mayor was quick to come out and acknowledge that these specific tickets were issued in error, he apologized for the oversight, and rescinded the fines.

This is exactly how things are supposed to work. If a citation is issued in error, then it is promptly rescinded and rectified. There is clearly no war against public art or murals, but there is an effort to stop illegal tagging vandalisam, which is justified and correct.

There is a big difference between a graffiti mural done with the blessings of the property owner, and tagging vandalism. I appreciate a sweet graffiti mural in the Dequindre Cut, but I don't appreciate a graffiti vandal throwing up a sloppy tag on the front door of my home.

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I don't appreciate a graffiti vandal throwing up a sloppy tag on the front door of my home.

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We cannot get into the building, what did you do...give them a dossier full of shady characters to screen?!

I had a whole housewarming scheme designed for your first tag.

Not sure your neighbors would understand the Latin portion, though. So few people know the city motto.


Cheers!

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We cannot get into the building, what did you do...give them a dossier full of shady characters to screen?!

I had a whole housewarming scheme designed for your first tag.

Not sure your neighbors would understand the Latin portion, though. So few people know the city motto.


Cheers!

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Us Detroiters have seen what happens when you Grosse Pointers run wild in the city, so we are now on the lookout for you people. I specifically told the building security guards to check everybody from the other side of Alter for cans of spray paint ;-)

Ha!

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This situation is a perfect example of why I really like Mayor Duggan.

Illegal graffiti tagging is rampant in the city, and it has been tolerated and allowed to persist for years, at the expense of city residents and business owners.

Mayor Duggan is right to enforce the laws against vandalism in the city. In this specific case, tickets were mistakenly issued to people who were painting legally, with the permission of the building owners. The mayor was quick to come out and acknowledge that these specific tickets were issued in error, he apologized for the oversight, and rescinded the fines.

This is exactly how things are supposed to work. If a citation is issued in error, then it is promptly rescinded and rectified. There is clearly no war against public art or murals, but there is an effort to stop illegal tagging vandalisam, which is justified and correct.

There is a big difference between a graffiti mural done with the blessings of the property owner, and tagging vandalism. I appreciate a sweet graffiti mural in the Dequindre Cut, but I don't appreciate a graffiti vandal throwing up a sloppy tag on the front door of my home.

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Good post and to the point. Over the years things have been allowed to degrade so far, they've been accepted as the norm. The road to recovery is going to be slow, painful, and opposed.

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We know your confused Motz...maybe your room mates can help you out with that.
I hear WSU has those remedial English classes [[with tutor) for those that didn't get a GED.

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Check yourself Willi, I'M OUT.

No problem, did they throw you a jail release party ? Out on bond until the court date, huh ?
Hey Motz, don't like my formatting on your teeny tiny cell phone screen - get a real monitor.

A few others see the real city as I do

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Illegal graffiti tagging is rampant in the city, and it has been tolerated and allowed to persist for years, at the expense of city residents and business owners.

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Duggan has a handle on catching all the homeless Schizophrenics, nice twist on politics !
Just look for all the sharp edges, radiating energies, etc.

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http://www.schizlife.com/artwork/

Just see who tagged what, ask on the street who took credit, since its all PUBLIC
Wouldn't want a bunch of Schizophrenics without meds on the street of Grand River now would we ?

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Who made you an authoritarian figure when it comes to street art/graffiti? You have NO idea as to what you are talking about, no really you have NO idea what you are talking about. Explain to me why you are comparing the artwork of a person with schizophrenia with that of a close friend of mine?

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As much as I sympathize with the sentiment, that is old news that Duggan had NOTHING to do with...but he would gain loads of good karma, if not direct support and even friendship, if he would force the police department to make good with Aaron Timlin and return all of the property seized during that illegal raid, or the true value plus interest in cash...plus refunding all of the towing and impound fees charged, and expunging all tickets written. Even the ones earned...since they were only discovered due the illegal raid.

Timlin won HUGE in court, it is legal record...but the city has never made good on its theft, as far as I know.

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Ahh touche sir! I agree 100% with you!

I call it like I see it in Post 74. No doubt many others will see the similarities.
My opinion holds up just as much as any others - the voice of one.
I express it, I own it, it is my opinion, and no amount of badgering will change it.
Don't like my opinion, that's okay.

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If the graffiti "art" - in a public space - makes people feel uncomfortable, ill at ease, apprehensive, etc. does that not count in a similar way to distributing hate literature in a public space, hate speech via megaphone in a public place, etc.

A public space should be neutral where everyone feels safe, at ease, without controversy.

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Im satisfied that art makes you uncomfortable and apprehensive willi. One of the things i've always liked about graffiti is how it makes people like you feel, unsafe and upset. Your "opinions" are hysterical! Thanks for making me laugh.

I feel just fine and go just about anywhere day or night Rex.
Paint won't change my lifestyle or influence what I do.

IT DEFINITELY does not welcome ALL folks , and the numbers of people coming downtown would be much higher, if that "type" of art were not quite as prevalent and in-your-face as it is.
In my opinion it is a dis-service , a detraction, from what the neighborhood could be.

Feel free to pedal your bike around Warren and talk to folks to see how comfortable they feel with the so called UBER family-friendly- vibe the art gives off. Get their impression first hand and personally regarding cultural expression that exists outside the conventional

I am reading
THIS on a real monitor, in fact
it is 24" LARGE
AND features 1080 p's and isn't paid for on the backs of POOR, SWINDLED COLLEGE STUDENTS

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No problem, did they throw you a jail release party ? Out on bond until the court date, huh ?
Hey Motz, don't like my formatting on your teeny tiny cell phone screen - get a real monitor.

A few others see the real city as I do

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Yes, through
the fog
of the most annoying formatting
ever witnessed
on an internet forum

Deal with it bro - I'm not going anywhere.
............................today
.................................................. .....or the next day
.................................................. ...................................you might catch it on the weekend
or next month as well

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Deal with it bro - I'm not going anywhere.
............................today
.................................................. .....or the next day
.................................................. ...................................you might catch it on the weekend
or next month as well

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People who create these murals in areas in crisis complete the task of transitioning a rundown neighborhood into a hood for the homeboys to run the streets because this is considered ghetto chiche. Spray can art belongs on the alley wall side of a garage. Not on main streets of revitalizing neighbors trying to attract families with children.

So...given that these tickets started going out last week, with a two-week limit to any possible clean up before building owners would get charged with some serious crimes against humanity...I have been expecting to see teams of clean-up crews employed all around town.

That WOULD have been the results of an effective law and policy to police it.

Please tell me someone has seen a clean-up, somewhere. I want to believe the Mayor's intent is being followed to the letter...dot and tittle.

I've even heard the F-term bantered about...who actually gets a felony ticket for graffiti? A midnight 'artiste' caught at work? The hapless building owner for not defending it? How about a few felony tickets for the cops who've been documented letting folks escape, like on my friend Scott's building on Gratiot?!

I cannot believe any of this warrants a felony charge, and any fees charged to the building owners are likely just a cash-grab unless they go directly to cleaning the graffiti the closest proximity to the property ticketed.

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So...given that these tickets started going out last week, with a two-week limit to any possible clean up before building owners would get charged with some serious crimes against humanity...I have been expecting to see teams of clean-up crews employed all around town.

That WOULD have been the results of an effective law and policy to police it.

Please tell me someone has seen a clean-up, somewhere. I want to believe the Mayor's intent is being followed to the letter...dot and tittle.

I've even heard the F-term bantered about...who actually gets a felony ticket for graffiti? A midnight 'artiste' caught at work? The hapless building owner for not defending it? How about a few felony tickets for the cops who've been documented letting folks escape, like on my friend Scott's building on Gratiot?!

I cannot believe any of this warrants a felony charge, and any fees charged to the building owners are likely just a cash-grab unless they go directly to cleaning the graffiti the closest proximity to the property ticketed.

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There was some clean up going on south of Alter, on Mack and also Jefferson. A few lawns were mowed, too. It was encouraging. Graffiti looks like shit. Penalties should be limited to doing the clean-up.

Good to hear...I drive through there nearly every day, alternating with Charlevoix.

The Cow Head was cleaned weeks before this action, though. Duggan doesn't get to claim that in his victory lap!

I agree about the penalties.

Cameras surveillance or is that beating up on the down trodden poor artist folk in the D ?
Facial recognition is for the movies and simply doesn't work well in real life, but by putting it up on YOUTUBE so everyone can see the body type, height, weight, etc. it creates leverage.
Social media can a very powerful entity, and some vandals are repeat offenders.

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This situation is a perfect example of why I really like Mayor Duggan.

Illegal graffiti tagging is rampant in the city, and it has been tolerated and allowed to persist for years, at the expense of city residents and business owners.

Mayor Duggan is right to enforce the laws against vandalism in the city. In this specific case, tickets were mistakenly issued to people who were painting legally, with the permission of the building owners. The mayor was quick to come out and acknowledge that these specific tickets were issued in error, he apologized for the oversight, and rescinded the fines.

This is exactly how things are supposed to work. If a citation is issued in error, then it is promptly rescinded and rectified. There is clearly no war against public art or murals, but there is an effort to stop illegal tagging vandalisam, which is justified and correct.

There is a big difference between a graffiti mural done with the blessings of the property owner, and tagging vandalism. I appreciate a sweet graffiti mural in the Dequindre Cut, but I don't appreciate a graffiti vandal throwing up a sloppy tag on the front door of my home.

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This is the only sensible post in this whole thread.