SE Michigan contradictions

The talking points in this region are so contradictory it is sad and funny. Who has some good ones?

I'll start:

Kids in Detroit have the same opportunity if they work hard in school.........but, I would never send my kids there.

Kids in Detroit have the same opportunity if they work hard in school.........but, the city won't turn around until the schools improve.

People in Detroit are too lazy to work. There are plenty of jobs 20 miles away.....but, we spending money on public transportation is a waste.

Detroit must honor all of it's obligations......but the state better not put in one penny to bail out Detroit.

It's all Detroit, we're all in this together...until bad news hits, then it's fuck them animals. I live in Whogivesabluefuck Heights and have to constantly assure my out of state relatives I'm MILES from that place.

Detroit is a --hole! I would never cross 8 mile! - unless the Tigers, Wings, Lions or for that matter, The Lion King, is playing.

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Originally Posted by brizee

It's all Detroit, we're all in this together...until bad news hits, then it's fuck them animals. I live in Whogivesabluefuck Heights and have to constantly assure my out of state relatives I'm MILES from that place.

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^^^^^^A personal favorite of mine.

The only racists I know of around here are those people in Detroit. Coleman Young, blah blah blah...

It's a nice place to live but I wouldn't want to visit there.

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Originally Posted by jt1

Detroit must honor all of it's obligations......but the state better not put in one penny to bail out Detroit.

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even though the state has failed to live up to its tax-cut agreement with the city for over..can it be 20+ years now????

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Originally Posted by rb336

even though the state has failed to live up to its tax-cut agreement with the city for over..can it be 20+ years now????

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Speeking of contradictions so if Detroit had taxed its citizens more in the last decade there would be less tax delinquency and the city would be solvent now? 68 mills isn't enough? How are those property values holding up at one of the highest tax rates in the state? You can't squeeze money out of blight, it isn't possible.

Everyone over 40 calls the Cass Corridor the Cass Corridor. Everyone under 40 calls it Midtown.

sorry people I grew up in detroit, I would not want to raise my daughter in detroits current conditions. A hand full of nice stable hoods, surrounded by pureabandonedment. decaying neighborhoods, mid town this mid town that, how about the neighborhoods?

Sounds like a lot of crying going on in this thread.

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Originally Posted by ABetterDetroit

Speeking of contradictions so if Detroit had taxed its citizens more in the last decade there would be less tax delinquency and the city would be solvent now? 68 mills isn't enough? How are those property values holding up at one of the highest tax rates in the state? You can't squeeze money out of blight, it isn't possible.

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I believe rb336 is referring to the fact that revenue sharing was cut under the promise that it would be restored and that the city would make sure Detroit received its fair share and yeah, that never happened.

_________ suburb doesn't need Detroit, but as a resident I am going to bitch and moan about Detroit anyhow.

Metro Detroit: Where every other Caucasian male seems to be a white Al Sharpton.

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Originally Posted by rb336

even though the state has failed to live up to its tax-cut agreement with the city for over..can it be 20+ years now????

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Actually it is closer to 13 years. Detroit is not the only municipality being raked, all are. Even school districts, counties, etc. It is what the state does to balance its books, at the expense of local services.

Being that the year is almost up.

"The 7.2" being used to refer to the area around downtown.

It's a pretty new one, but the arrogance and entitlement packed into that one little statement.

Throw it into a Planned Parenthood dumpster and set it on fire.

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Originally Posted by brizee

Being that the year is almost up.

"The 7.2" being used to refer to the area around downtown.

It's a pretty new one, but the arrogance and entitlement packed into that one little statement.

Throw it into a Planned Parenthood dumpster and set it on fire.

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I prefer Delta City myself...

What does the 7.2 or delta city mean for us unenlightened folks?

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Originally Posted by DetroitBoy

What does the 7.2 or delta city mean for us unenlightened folks?

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Basically how the rest of the city outside of downtown is being left to rot while Dan Gilbert works hard with his OCP-like influence to turn downtown into a Delta City-like dystopia.

http://www.hamptoninstitution.org/robocop-dystopia-detroit.html#.VJuL-V4AOA

7.2 refers to the 7.2 square mile area of "greater downtown detroit", i.e. downtown, midtown, woodbridge, and a few other contiguous pockets.

see: http://detroitsevenpointtwo.com/

A city of many people yelling, about rights, entitlements, what once was, etc.,etc. and only a few actually doing what it takes to build a solid city- like working, paying bills, taxes, etc.
A contradiction of personal social responsibility

"I moved to Detroit and I don't want to own a car. Now I can't get around"

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Originally Posted by Gpwrangler

"I moved to Detroit and I don't want to own a car. Now I can't get around"

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That's actually an understandable contradiction. Some people don't own a car because they can't afford to. I don't want to own a car because it's expensive, but I am forced to because that's Detroit's MO and transit here sucks.

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Originally Posted by dtowncitylover

That's actually an understandable contradiction. Some people don't own a car because they can't afford to. I don't want to own a car because it's expensive, but I am forced to because that's Detroit's MO and transit here sucks.

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It's a contradiction. I drove a $1500 car for 5 years when I was going to school making minimum wage. None of my cars since then have cost more than $4,000.

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Originally Posted by Gpwrangler

It's a contradiction. I drove a $1500 car for 5 years when I was going to school making minimum wage. None of my cars since then have cost more than $4,000.

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Good for you? Your personal anecdote doesn't apply to everyone.

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Originally Posted by dtowncitylover

Good for you? Your personal anecdote doesn't apply to everyone.

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Neither does yours and that wasn't the point. Motor city + moving here not intending to own a car = contradiction. No more or less valid than any other posts in this thread.

Calling it the Motor City at this point is delusional and has nothing to do with providing mass transportation reliably like many other cities have done at this point.

Motor City is an antiquated concept that should not be propped up like some old Raggedy Ann doll and espoused as some sort of proud tradition as many folks are freezing their asses off waiting for a bus that may or not come to get to a job in the Motor City.

Are there not motors in mass transit vehicles?

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Originally Posted by Islandman

Calling it the Motor City at this point is delusional and has nothing to do with providing mass transportation reliably like many other cities have done at this point.

Motor City is an antiquated concept that should not be propped up like some old Raggedy Ann doll and espoused as some sort of proud tradition as many folks are freezing their asses off waiting for a bus that may or not come to get to a job in the Motor City.

Are there not motors in mass transit vehicles?

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I don't see the issue with continuing to call Detroit the "Motor City."

Even if very little actual manufacturing takes place here in 2014, much of the American Auto Industry's Administration is still based here.

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Originally Posted by 313WX

I don't see the issue with continue to call Detroit the "Motor City."

Even if very little actual manufacturing takes place here in 2014, much of the America Auto Industry's Administration is still based here.

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There is a huge amount of manufacturing in this area of parts for the global auto industry, and it's increasing. Motor City is what it was called since I was young and many still identify it with the transportation industry. And transportation has evolved. Buses eliminated street cars and passenger trains, and affordable cars eliminated the need to take a bus for many people. Maybe things will change back to mass transit but the market [[what people want) will drive that.

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Originally Posted by jt1

The talking points in this region are so contradictory it is sad and funny. Who has some good ones?

I'll start:

Kids in Detroit have the same opportunity if they work hard in school.........but, I would never send my kids there.

Kids in Detroit have the same opportunity if they work hard in school.........but, the city won't turn around until the schools improve.

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Kids in Detroit don't have the same opportunity in school. They're more likely to be in a single-parent household. They're more likely to to live in a household with less resources. They're more likely to be the victims of crime.

However, that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be an expectation that the child won't finish high school, won't have a plan on what to do beyond high school, etc...

Too many excuses are made for minority and inner-city kids. Expectations are so wildly low; those that aspire and dream are sometimes even mocked or told that they're trying to be white for daring to want to have a good and successful life.

I'm white, I live in Rochester Hills, and my 2 year old has more in his college fund than what most families in Detroit have saved up in the bank. Of course my kids have a leg up in the world.

More importantly than resources, my kids are being told from a young age that they're going to finish school, go on to college, pick a career, and they're going to succeed. We make it a point to tell my daughter that her gender doesn't limit her. We point out noble professions and tell her how she can be a teacher, a doctor, a scientist, etc...

This isn't to say that there are not people in Detroit that don't have expectations for their children, but the inner-city\black culture needs to throw away its excuses and start aspiring and expecting more of their children.

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Originally Posted by Gpwrangler

Neither does yours and that wasn't the point. Motor city + moving here not intending to own a car = contradiction. No more or less valid than any other posts in this thread.

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Yup and that's the worst attitude in the region, IMO. I love cars but frankly that excuse is pathetic. I'm proud of the car heritage in Detroit, but it's time to let go and build sustainable transit.

Yes. A good city or metropolis requires a healthy mix of transit options. Otherwise, you get long, frustrating commutes that limit quality of life. Think about that the next time you're stuck on I-75.

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Originally Posted by dtowncitylover

Yup and that's the worst attitude in the region, IMO. I love cars but frankly that excuse is pathetic. I'm proud of the car heritage in Detroit, but it's time to let go and build sustainable transit.

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I agree that it would be good, but it will never happen because our entire area has the attitude. I tried to set up a car pool when gas was pushing $4.50 a gallon and the three people within a half mile of me wouldn't do it. That's why it's a contradiction!