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To Texas for Ian Kinsler.
Maybe. Both players have to pass physicals, and Fielder has to approve the trade because of a limited no-trade clause in his contract.
I wonder if this has to do with money. If I remember, there was some grumbling about Fielder's 9 year $214M contract. The Tigers still owe him $168M over the next 7 years [[$24M a year) where as Kinsler's contract is for $62M over 4 years, or just under $16M a year.
You'd think someone would remember the lesson Texas learned when they signed A-Rod for $252 over 10 years back in 2001. His first trip back to Safeco, Seattle fans threw Monopoly money at him.
As if my Mariners have a tough enough road to hoe in the AL West......
Hmmmmmm......Mixed emotion here. I remember what it was like from 1988 to 2005. These post season runs have been great, Fielder was instrumental in getting us there even though he vanished in the playoffs.
As I recall, Lowell, you were about the only one to agree with me when the trade was made about what a terrible fit Fielder would be. Now as I just finished watching Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings play the worst game I've ever seen, I can console myself that the Tigers are once again moving in the right direction.
Castellanos to 3rd, Miggy to 1st and ? in left.
This is just the first of more moves by the Tigers. This also potentially free's up money to resign Scherzer.
Good riddance to him! If he can't perform, put him out. What a 219 million dollar waste!
I have to agree . He seemed to be here just for a BIG payday and his egoQuote:
Originally Posted by Danny
he never seem to really care about the team , the. Tigers or Detroit.
When they tried to reach him , in the Bahamas ,he didn't bother answering his phone and when told via text , didn't even seem to care.
but why would he , the tigers still owe him $178 MILLION !
Also this is the same team owner with his hand out begging for tax breaks from the tax payers !?, really ? You want a tax break for your new stadium , while you pay your players millions and millions ?
Don't get me wrong , I'm all for a new stadium and development , but Mr.llitch needs to step up and take a page out of Mr Gillberts play book !
I'm sorry but that's a hard pill to swallow
sorry about that I was using my phone and by accident cut and pasted an invite to a wine party LOL
my bad !
:-)
Sports section of DYes? No....;)...?
I hope this is a lesson to resist signing a player to that long of a contract . Next up Johan Franzen , the laziest player in the NHL
BREAKING NEWS! This just in: Baseball is still boring, just one notch above NASCAR.
Breaking news: No one cares about your opinion on things you don't like. Especially when you are going through the effort of clicking on a thread regarding a topic you know you don't enjoy, then taking the time to write out some annoying not-whitty-at-all message.Quote:
Originally Posted by 48307
I am very excited. We have the free space to resign Scherzer and wiggle room to get us a new outfielder. Castellanos to 3B, Miggy to 1B, and I think we'll be right about there. Couldn't be more excited for 2014.
I think the new sabermetrics/moneyball approach to baseball is lock in your talent "up the middle" C-2b-SS-CF and get a good rotation. The "corner spots" 1B-3B-RF-LF and the bullpen can be picked up in the midrange of free agents on relatively inexpensive and short term contracts.
I think this trade is probably a good thing in the long run as it will allow us to keep the $$ tied up in JV, Max and Miggy. However, we need to do a lot this offseason still to offset this move. I don't trust Castellanos at 3B and at a minimum, we need to pick up another bat [[ideally a lefty) to play LF. Maybe we can get Granderson back :-) Also need to shore up the bullpen. It's great that we can probably keep Scherzer now, but doesn't do much good if we're just going to bring guys in after 7 to give up Grand Slams every game...
The "normal" way to build a team is to fill in the core with a good trade and one or two key free agents. The Tigers have developed Verlander, Porcello, Avila and not much more. You can't afford to pay for every spot on the roster. They need to take a chance on Castellanos at 3rd [[he's avg. at 3rd and below avg in left) and Rondon needs to stay healthy. I would like to see them trade Porcello for a veteran corner outfielder before he hits free agency. In 2 years one or two of their minor league outfielders should be ready.
If the Tigers can pull this off without having to pay part of Fielder's contract for a few years, it's a great deal.
Prince Fielder was a Detroit story beyond baseball. Boy returns 'home' to Detroit, the little kid who could hit it over the fence in Tiger Stadium, to lead the Tigers to a WS championship. There was a mix of baseball and show business. He also filled a demographic deficiency. There was only one Afro-American player on the team, Austin Jackson, at that point.
What they got was a steady [he played every game after all] but not sensational player who turned out to be somewhat distracted, even indifferent, perhaps dogged by a nasty divorce. Added to that a one-dimensional player with an immense salary in one of the more easy positions to fill. An off year and ineffective playoffs sealed it.
I think it is a good move for both sides. Tigers get more versatility. Prince gets to hit in a more homer friendly park.
Made the post season two years in a row with the guy - the fit couldn't have been too terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by 401don
It was time for him to go. Prince wore out his welcome with a belly flop of a playoff performance. His final clubhouse musings really sealed the deal. I never thought Dumbrowski could unload him but praise the Lord Hallelujah that he did. Feeling good about next year now.
I think now is the time to finally bring Andrew Mccuthcin to Detroit.
Jackson in Left, Torri in Right, Cutch in Center and batting leadoff.
1. Cutch
2. Kinsler
3. Carbera
4. Martinez
5. Hunter
6. Jackson
7. Avila
8. Castellanos
9. Iglesias
Not too shabby!!
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Originally Posted by Baselinepunk
And how pray tell are we going to bring him here?
How much are we going to have to even pay for him?
Seriously... HOW?
I think we stand a better chance of getting Babe Ruth in his prime as opposed to getting McCutchin here this season.:[[
There's no chance of McCrutchen coming to Detroit. Illitch is already overexpended and trying to cut payroll.
He's been spending money like the Yankees or Dodgers, which is great for the fans, but not sustainable over many years.
'' Made the post season two years in a row with the guy - the fit couldn't have been too terrible. ''1 HR and 3 RBI's in 24 post season games IS terrible even for our worst batter
Yes, but this thread isn't in the sports section, which makes it fair game for my not-whitty-at-all message! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by motz
Althought Lowell is the one that posted it in this forum, so I think he gets an automatic pass...
Click on Sports section and read the announcement at the top of the page.Quote:
Originally Posted by 48307
Just curious, who did you trade? Verlander, Scherzer or both?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baselinepunk
And that's the sound of me shutting up and making a quiet exit out the back door, hoping no one saw me.Quote:
Originally Posted by 401don
Trading Scherzer for a bona fide closer should be considered. We have great starting pitching depth and Smiley could fit right in. What good are great starts if the closer can bring it home? The Tigers would have been in the World Series with a solid closer. It was the difference between us and Boston.
I also think Andy Dirks will mature into an more than adequate left fielder. He also has the speed the Tigers desperately need. Let him have it. I would hold off trying to fill that slot. Outfielders are easy to obtain around trade deadline time if needed.
Sidenote... Sports has been reintegrated to the main forum for some time per the announcement on the now dormant Sports forum. It is as much about the story of Detroit as any other facet, spanning business, entertainment, celebrity and in the case of Prince, a genuine Detroit story. This thread will later be converted into a 2104 Tigers thread.
Finally, I liked Prince. He played hard; he played everyday. He earned his keep. He struggled this year and I wish him the best.
With all due respect, Dirks isn't the answer in LF. He slumped horribly last year. They need to sign or trade for a better outfielder. Guys like Dirks, and DK while good guys, they were Leyland's boys. They need to upgrade their bench with better players, as well as the bullpen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lowell
I agree Dirks is a perfect 4th outfielder - good defense, can play all 3 positions, a little pop and average speed [[he just looks fast because you're comparing him to all the other lead-footed Tigers). I would never trade Scherzer for a closer. They will probably sign a free agent like Nathan. How many games did the closer cost the Tigers? The problem was the 7th and 8th inning guys and the Tigers inability to manufacture a run late in tie ballgames.
No offense but why? By the time I think serious discussion about the 2014 Tigers team will roll around, is this story really even going to be on anyone's mind any more? We'll probably be talking about the future of the team as opposed to this off season trade. If I can suggest it, leave this thread be and let the Tigers 2014 thread grow and mature on its own. If people still want to discuss Prince Fielder, let them talk about it here. In my mind's eye- he's already a Tiger of the past and in the history books already. Let the new Tigers team have its own discussion area and not be burdened by the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lowell
I liked him as a person too. He never did anything that would've embarrassed this team nor did he say anything off color or harmful. He seemed like a good team mate. Some would argue whether he played hard everyday though. I'm sure there are still those of us that remember him not going whole hog for the flyball in the stands and I've even heard some folks on the radio talk shows questioning his commitment to his own physique. I'm also left wondering if he could've been a better player if he had got his diet in check, lost a few more pounds, be a little more nimble, and worked on his defense. And not that it's fair but compare him to someone like Miggy who lost the weight over last off season and worked at being a better third baseman than any of us thought he could be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lowell
I also feel for Prince in the sense that he played for a blue collar town that values hard work. I'm not so sure he did as much as some of us thinks he could've to being the best out there. He was fun to watch. He was an attraction. When he was deadly he was fun to watch, but there were stretches where he was mediocre at best. His defense was average even on his best days. He was one dimensional as a player.
I don't begrudge him for taking all of that money that the Tigers offered him Who in their right mind would say no to it? But for being the highest paid player on the team, he needed to produce and on the biggest stage too. He didn't and because of his prodigious paycheck, the spotlight was a little brighter on him.
I also know he's currently the Iron Man in MLB for playing every day but is there something admirable about that if one doesn't perform? Is longevity in sports to be celebrated if one is mediocre at a professional level?
So rather than sound like a Prince Fielder eulogy here, I want to thank him for his time here. Thanks for also ditching the no-trade clause. He needed a new start and so did we. Like all good parties, it's best to leave before one becomes a pest and a nuisance. I'm going to wish him well and still hope that the Rangers don't get in our way as we still shoot for the World Series title.
Oh lord no. You don't trade a Cy Young winner for a closer. If we could get a closer, 3B and LF, then maybe. A great closer is worth about 2-3 games a year compared to an average one. A great starter is easily worth 5+.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lowell
I posted on a baseball forum once that if you added together the lifetime stats of Barney McCosky [[Tigers, Athletics), Dale Mitchell [[Indians), and Billy Goodman [[Redsox, Whitesox) the stats added up to Pete Rose lifetime stats. The three had good, but not outstanding, and short pro careers. My point was that Pete Rose was in their level of quality, he just did it for a longer period of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thruster315
A closer and change. Signing Scherzer will now cost a fortune that could be better used to shore up other weaknesses. With just about any other team I would agree with you, but the Tigers are starting pitcher rich. And let's not overlook that while Scherzer's W-L was phenomenal, it didn't hurt that he also lead the majors in run support. His leads could survive our sucky bullpen or his off days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartan
As for Dirks, he had a not uncommon sophomore slump. I am not totally convinced of him but I like multi-tool versatility, attitude and now that Prince is gone his left-hand bat gains importance.
The Tigers need more power than Dirks can provide. They need a middle-of-the-order veteran to hit 4th or 5th. All last year people talked about the powerful Tiger lineup. How many realize the Tigers now have a grand total of one player who hit 20 home runs last year?
i rooted for cecil and prince when they played.
both great players and they showed that even with a heavier body type you can still belt that ball into the stands with the rest of them.
Any truth to the rumor that Comerica Park's name is going to be changed to Peyton Place Park? This latest gossip about the team is probably the juiciest since Denny McClain was linked to the mob.