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For the last month or so I have seen spray painted tags appearing on signage above our fair cities freeways. How do they get there? Do the culprits climb out over the road risking their lives for a tag? Keep expecting to read about someone falling to their death holding a can of spray paint. Any clue how they manage this feat?
Was in the city yesterday and thought the same thing. You can't spray without one hand free. Obviously they are removing the safety cap and shaking BEFORE they start to climb....i hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homer
I hope NOT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bong-Man
I smell a new t-shirt...."Death to all Taggers".Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Sometimes taggers use the catwalk on the side facing the freeway signage, but who knows how they could reach the catwalk.
Other than possible accidental death, is there any penalty at all if caught tagging? Alrhough it doesn't look like anyone is ever caught. Is it even noticed by law enforcement and the courts?
Not only freeway signs, I see tags on towers and other real high places. always wondered how they get up there.
To me it's pure and simple vandalism and wanton destruction of property. To me there's nothing redeeming about it at all.
While not a Duggan supporter, I give him props for his tough stance on taggers in the past. With sooo much vacant space for taggers, can we get an organized strategy [[district, corridor, rationale for placement, etc.) that promotes the expression without detracting from the beauty of the built environment.
Totally agree. It makes the City looks like crap and says volumes about enforcement and control.Quote:
Originally Posted by softailrider
I remember seeing this alot in LA. Even after they scrubbed the signs of grafitti, the scars and shadowing would make interstate shields hard to read. I recall reading, one of the most notorious freeway taggers out fell to his death.
Those overhead signs are not static objects. Just one semi passing beneath can shake them hard. They are meant to have some give in the wind. This is a serious risk
What a shame! [[his buddies weren't hanging on to him too).Quote:
Originally Posted by wolverine
Frankly in the broader perspective I am tiring of all the tagging going on in the city. I've seen historic buildings and homes only abandoned for a short time 'tagged'; spray painted over the doors, glass blocks, leaded windows etc. It's a eye-sore amplifying the blight withstanding the artistic talent you see in some of it.
This is all a result of the outside media marketing Detroit as a city with a so-called "clean slate." A "free for all" city where graffiti artist can rain down upon us and do anything they want... to/in the city without repercussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
I knew this would end up happening and the end result was outsiders [[temporarily) coming into the city destroying property and making Detroit look worse than it needs to. Don't get me wrong, I love graffiti art but like someone said above, it only takes a week before an abandon building becomes a target for graffiti art. Although, the art is great, it makes the property and area look neglected and less appealing to potential investors looking to set-up business. Once it has been painted, then the scrappers are next because that's a sure sign of abandonment.
Although Detroit is an artist haven, the city should look as clean as possible if it wants to lure strong families back to live.
Give me a break! You call that fire-hosed shit they're destroying buildings and road signs with "great"? We have very different viewpoints on what "great" is. The latest rash of vandalism isn't even close to any kind of art form. It's ass-clowns painting large incoherent words on public places, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by illwill
Honky Tonk nailed it:
"...It's ass-clowns painting large incoherent words on public places, period."
Yep, this is but one of the consequences of this form of 'art': Advertising to the SCRAPPERS! Great! JUST what we need!! I am just fatigued of it.
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Originally Posted by illwill
Sadly, it's going to take someone falling and dieing here or getting injured for the tagging to ease up a bit. It seems to be on the upswing for now.
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Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Just to clarify, although the post specified tags I was referring to "graffiti murals" on buildings as artwork. I'm not referring to "tags." Taggings aren't artwork nor does it take any talent to tag, vandalize or destroy property. If you disagree and think "graffiti murals" are not artwork then we just disagree...Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
But I just wanted to make myself clear. Also, too many graffiti murals [[in my humble opinion) tends to look bad as well. The art of "murals" are nice but too much of anything is over doing it. Which unfortunately is the case in Detroit.
I try not to wish bad on others. But I make exemptions. If anyone wants to join me in applying Vaseline to overpasses I can be reached at BR-549Quote:
Originally Posted by Homer
I suppose we should consider ourselves lucky we are not CA where this happens:
http://la.curbed.com/archives/2008/0...eway_signs.php
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...fic&id=9134125
No yugo fest
Jeez you're as old or older than I am!Quote:
Originally Posted by Detroitnerd
This would be another benefit to moving those signs into augmented reality by designing vehicles to project them onto a heads-up display for the driver. Taggers couldn't get to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroitPlanner
Mark my words. This is the future. This will happen. ;)
Maybe it's just me, but I seem to have seen a large upswing in freeway sign tagging just within the last few months.
Also in terms of, how the hell did they do that, I want to know how the huge graffiti was done to the west-facing, top floor facade of the old Southwest Detroit hospital.
I can't find any recent photos with the graffiti, but I'm sure those who drive anywhere near that building knows what I'm talking about.
They say that baby oil applied with brushes is also good.
I have also considered buying some "Guyton-esque" polka dot stencils and spray-painting polka dots over tags. Would I be arrested or anything?
Hahaha. Yeah, 43 actually ... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroitPlanner
maybe a coil of razor wire over the top of all freeway signs [[it would look better than the "tags", and you can still read the sign)? Let the taggers crawl through that shit...
Nah I got ya beat by a few.Quote:
Originally Posted by Detroitnerd
It's probably not going to stop anytime soon. In Detroit, private property owners are burdened with cleaning it up. It's not like other places where either painting over or laser removing graffiti is a basic municipal service removed at no cost to the private property owner. It's the way it should be and it's the way to prove to taggers that vandalism will not be tolerated. But because Detroit does not offer this service, people are less willing to deal with the cost of cleaning it up, and it sends a message that any graffiti will survive as long as the building is standing.
I heard the COD actually can/does levy fines on the property owner if the vandalism isn't removed/taken care of. Can anyone verify that?Quote:
Originally Posted by wolverine
https://www.detroitmi.gov/Department...esofCases.aspxQuote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Thanx. I don't see specifically where it addresses spray painting [[tagging). The story I got was a business in Midtown was fined because someone had tagged a visible, outside wall. I found the story a bit far fetched.Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroitPlanner
When I would drive home from Farmington/I-96 to M-39 North there is a bunch of tags on freeways signs and on parts of the crossover bridge to go north on M-39. Which is super risky considering your like 4-5 stories in the air.
It's probably under "Failure to Maintain Exterior of Property."Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
That would fall under 'failure to maintain exterior'Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
If the story I heard is true, I think it sucks that a business owner not only is constantly battling with these vandals to keep their property appearance up, but that the City levies a fine on the owner, on top of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroitPlanner
You Obviously haven't seen the "Write in Duggan" tagged all over the placeQuote:
Originally Posted by Tetherunit
That does happen. What is even more frustrating is when a business cleans up the lot next to them or an alley only to get it dumped in again!Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
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Originally Posted by SWMAP
Just make sure you don't get caught by the wrong tagger :) They won't be too happy, and by that I mean they will whoop your butt. But I like the idea!
You Obviously haven't seen the "Write in Duggan" tagged all over the place.
Must be people doing some payback. Or people with understanding of irony.
I saw one tag in a photo recently, but where are some others? I don't see them "all over the place."
I heard an ad on the radio the other day for a graffiti removal service. Sounds like a growth industry to me.
Have any Detroit taggers had encounters with the law?