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Rachel Maddow from MSNBC talks about the city of Detroit and the state of Michigan so much on her show if you watch it on MSNBC. I am petitioning her to come do a live broadcast from Campus Martius Park this spring or summer to show.. A.) Detroit in a positive light and B.) She can get a better understanding of our history, issues and future.
Change.org petition http://www.change.org/petitions/the-...s-martius-park
Facebook Group. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Come-...17213051755113
Can't stand her. She has no ability to few both sides of an issue. Too far left for me.
On any given night, Maddow's nationwide audience is only slightly larger than the population of Detroit. Doing a more expensive remote broadcast from Detroit about Detroit is unlikely to boost her miniscule ratings, so what's in it for her? The only way you could possibly get it to happen would be if you threw some money her way to cover her added expenses. If she came here, then you and the rest of Maddow's far-left fans in Detroit would feel good about yourselves, but what would you have actually accomplished in the real world?
Of course she should come. Detroit's problems are the result of the liberal pro - Democrat governing and policies that she and her network espouses every night. She should do a week long stand there so she can give America a grand tour of the liberal progressive utopia that is Detroit.
we'll see what happens. more michigan coverage the better
Agered, and ithe coverage is slowly picking up more steam too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypestyles
A Federal Lawsuit is apparently going to be filed too from what I'm hearing, so that should generate even more coverage.
The solutions to Detroit's fiscal dilemma will not be found in:
a) more media attention
b) more lawsuits
c) more delays, studies, consultants, etc.
d) more borrowing
e) more funding from the state or federal government
f) more traffic jams or acts of civil disobedience.
Care to elaborate? Who is suing whom?Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
of course! Detroit is broken because of liberals in the same way that Alabama is full of incest and poor people because of republican! it all makes sense now! and did you know that leafs are green because their the trees' favorite color? seriously, please stop using this argument. It is one of the dumbest I have ever heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not In MI
A federal lawsuit against the state of Michigan by citizens in Detroit.Quote:
Originally Posted by downtownguy
It's going to be a lawsuit claiming that the state of Michigan is violating the civil rights voting act.
I always think the same thing. No one seems to "blame" San Francisco's prosperity on it's liberal policies. Or "blame" liberals for New England's high quality of life. Or "chastise" liberals for leading the city of Washington DC into a period of urban renewal. They only point to places like Detroit.Quote:
Originally Posted by louis
Although all three areas are very liberal politically, overall they have thrived by a good balance of support from the right and left. Both sides work together and guess what you get good results who would have "thunk" it! That type of cooperation has been lacking for quite some time here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zug
You can argue that for New England, which is a region.Quote:
Originally Posted by p69rrh51
But the SF Board of Supervisors [[their city council) is all Democrats, and has been for a while. DC's city council has 11 Democrats and 2 liberal independents. DC's history is so partisan that they mandated that at least one council seat must be a non-Democrat [[hence the liberal independents). In terms of internal city politics, there is no cooperation in SF or DC because there's no Republicans to cooperate with...just like in Detroit.
I know you did not say this, but I think it's unfair to only blame liberals if there's less regional cooperation in Metro Detroit than elsewhere.
I just fact-checked myself...since it's been a while. One of DC's independents is a registered Republican. And he's openly gay. So they have one Republican to cooperate with.
I was saying the region/city overall not just the politicos. All the above mentioned are good at bringing in those of different views together to get the job done. Something we seem to be incapable of here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zug
i must say that i am mostly liberal but not exclusive. that said, i love how conservatives like to accuse anything that helps people start throwing out, "liberals are ruining or have ruined our society".
rachel maddow shows the facts and allows you to accept them or not. if you don't want to, then chose to follow your favorite demigod like glen beck, rush limbaugh, bill o'riley or the like. feeding hate and they are against us rhetoric does not help people, it only divides us.
Wow French777, they got the knives out for you right away. You used to be so loved on DYes until you came out and said you watch Rachel Maddow. What some things will do to people. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by French777
Ms. Maddow is simply the opposite side of the Limbaugh coin. If you can't stand Rush because of his ignorance, you really can't hold love for Rachel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinman
Both creatures are exclusionary with their facts. Picking only those facts which support their extremist viewpoints.
Their respective followers are to be pitied.
However, Rush does seem to have a sense of humor. Even if it is warped, he has one; Rachel, not so much.
Yep, regardless of how you feel about the way she presents stuff, no one can ever dispute her facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinman
Yep, regardless of how you feel about the way she presents stuff, no one can ever dispute her facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinman
Maddow's a Rhodes Scholar while Hannity is a high school graduate. That's all you need to know to see who has it more right than wrong.
Yes, I do watch MSNBC sometimes and support their views. Yet, if FoxNews Hannity wants to do a Live Show from Downtown, showcasing our positive development that is great news too, and should be encouraged. I think a healthy balance of conservative and liberal views is what's needed for any city. In a sense, I don't care if someone is liberal or conservative, just don't be apathetic and complain about the current situation if yourself have done nothing to help the situation.
If each Detroit resident took 30 mins - 1 hour each weekend to help Detroit, just emagine what we could accomplish! Even if it is a simple, saying "hello" to visitors downtown, or in your neighborhood, or calling your local reps., or helping at a soup kitchen for 1 meal a month. We are a great city, yet can be so much more.
Let's just say that Ms. Maddow is entitled to her own opinions, but it's been proven that they aren't always factual.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
In all fairness to Republicans, Alabama was run by Democrats for most of the last one hundred and forty years [[post reconstruction). Not that we should let facts get in the way of our fun. I do think it would be fair to say that a perfect shit storm of Bad management and Bad political decisions has brought us to where we stand today. Hardly anyone who has held office in Detroit, the surrounding burbs or Lansing escapes some blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by louis
Finger pointing and the blame game got Detroit into this mess. It needs to stop.
That was when Democrats were the conservative party.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElbertHanks
The Republican party was formed after the previous liberal party split over the issue of slavery, and the Republicans, the more liberal part of that party, won. Part of the new party was called the "radical republicans" because of how far to the left they were.
Then there were changes within the parties during the 30s, and the Democratic party became the liberal party, and the Republicans the conservative one. Then over the years as the Democratic party embraced civil rights, white southerners left the part and joined the republicans, and the remaining "rockefeller republicans" from the north east generally became democrats.
So the south has pretty much always been conservative and the north has always been liberal.
But anyway, even though politicians and the government have a big influence on places, everyone agrees that Detroit has had bad leadership for a long time. You're not going to find many democrats who think the leadership in detroit is good or represents their beliefs.
You do know I was poking fun at the blame this or that crowd. BTW: pretty much my mom's entire family [[they live in West Tennessee) switched parties in the late 70's early 80's.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Jason
I don't care if Maddow has an IQ of 180. I absolutely loathe her and her show. Very one sided person.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
I like Rachel Maddow and her show a lot. Certainly more than other MSNBC hosts like Lawrence O'Donnell or [[aagh!) Ed Schultz. Those who complain that her show is "one-sided" obviously don't understand what she is employed to do. Hers is a commentary program, not straight news, and neither she nor anyone else at MSNBC pretends otherwise. However, unlike the screaming crowd over on Fox, she explains quite a lot about the background to issues and what it is about them that interests her and should interest her audience. She doesn't waste time bringing people on her show to shout at them in some kind of macho yelling beat-down like Hannity, O'Reilly, etc.
Having said that though, I do think that Rachel's work on Detroit and Michigan sometimes shows a lack of background in our local history and conditions. For instance, like a lot of Detroiters I am apprehensive about the imposition of a highly-empowered outside financial manager, but I find the stories that Rachel has done about the situation to be a little "off" in their understanding of our situation in Detroit and Michigan. So, I agree with the original poster that her work regarding our city could really benefit from her either spending some time here or doing a little more in depth background work.
Alabama is better off now under Repbulicans than it was in a hundred years under Democrats [[Patterson, Folsom, Wallace). Detroit is worse off now under Democrats than it was under Republicans [[Cobo).Quote:
Originally Posted by louis
Still don't like her. She never gives the " other side" a chance to explain a different viewpoint. I don't like one sided news. So I avoid MSNBC when I can.
I doubt she's crying over you not watching her.Quote:
Originally Posted by fanniemae
I don't give a rip what she thinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
she has always asked conservatives to come one her show and bring the facts that the use to prove their point. hardly any will because they know they will lose the debate. she does not shout down dissent, only ask's you to have facts to debate with. o'riely yells over his guests, limbaugh only incites with stupid rhetoric to keep his show on the air.Quote:
Originally Posted by fanniemae
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Originally Posted by Chinman
i used to watch her show every night, every other day, she had asked for a response and has offered a chance for anyone to come on her show to discuss the points. they never did.
Come on man...Outside the Beltway?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeg
Folks should decide for themselves.
Here's a sample of Rachel Maddow's Show: Naomi Klein on The Rachel Maddow Show.
If you Google the "C" word you will get a description of Rachel Maddow!
Thanks for raising the level of debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheels
I didn't realize how much attention she devotes to Detroit until I searched YouTube for Maddow Detroit.
Here's a recent one: Michigan gives up on democracy - The Rachel Maddow Show [[March 1st, 2013).
Perhaps an Emergency Manager undermining the democratically-elected authority of Governor SneakySnyder would be equally constructive/destructive? I mean really: Who's in charge anymore anywhere if not The People?
Here's a more recent one: Maddow Talks Detroit: Emergency Managers, Gerrymandering, and the End of Democracy.
You know it's growing legs when it begins to foster future videos: Dumbocracy - Illegal Detroit Emergency Manager.
Okay, now I understand why so many opponents suddenly came out of the woodwork against her. ;)
Where can I sign that petition again?
Gotta love that sneaky Snyder. He finds a way to get his agenda going. Hope he runs for POTUS. Just kidding. I bet Maddow talks in her sleep. Not that I want to know what she says. She does get wound up. Does anyone get a word in edgewise on her show? Oh well. For those of you that want her here. Go ahead. Ask her. I won't be in attendance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimaz
I think she presents things very well. I'm liberal-leaning, so of course I would think so. As with any commentator, you can find things here & there that are incorrect or misleading, but I don't think it nullifies the 95-99% that is based on direct evidence. Evidence can be interpreted in many ways, and she chooses a liberal interpretation.
Excellent post! Amazing how few people realize the parties have switched sides. Whenever I see McCain or his like say they're proud to be part of the party of Lincoln or TR I think to myself that if Lincoln could see the Republican party today he'd pull that hat down over his face. I like Rachel, her show is mostly low-key and didactic. I will say that some of the other guys on MSNBC are quite polemic. But nothing compared to the right-wing media horror.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason
MSNBC is a garbage network, and according to this recent study, is even more biased than FauxNews.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0....html?ir=Media
While Maddow is one of the more fact based anchors on the network. Her coming to Detroit to do live shows will do absolutely nothing for the city and I doubt the shows producers could resist showing more blight and "ruin porn" than positive things happening in the city. Hell, even the link Jimaz posted where Maddow talks EM they used the last minute to show blighted homes.
I hate that so much on news channels is opinion-based nowadays. It's fine in small doses...like I watch Maddow on MSNBC fairly regularly, and that's about it. However, as liberal as I may be, I cannot justify watching every left wing commentator talk about the same topics for an entire day. Sometimes I just want good old fashioned reporting.
Sadly, this trend has also become common in sports. Watch SportsCenter, and half the show is talking to "experts" about their opinions of sports news. "What do you think about LeBron James' tweet?" C'mon...seriously? Or turn on ESPN when First Take is on, and listen to two blowhards talk about Tim Tebow for 2 years.
I understand that debate and opinion brings on stronger emotions when watching a channel...and therefore captures an audience for longer. However, it gets overused.
Just like the excessive use of "tickers" scrolling news is overdone. And the term "breaking news" or "news alert" has lost all meaning nowadays. It's all done to capture attention. Unfortunately, it does result in higher ratings than actual news....
When Maddow brings up Detroit, I doubt she's talking about Campus Martius or the downtown in general. How about a broadcast from Warren and Outer drive instead?
Agree with Al's post 100%. Ms. Maddow and her producers have pretty much dropped the ball when it comes to exploring any kind of nuance with the emergency manager issue. It's been knee jerk complain about anti-democracy. There's a lot more to the issue and she has disappointed in that she seems not to recognize this.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastsideAl
And by the way, for posters who equate her with Limbaugh on the right, there is no equivalency at all. Ms. Maddow regularly interviews conservatives, respects their principled views and generally has no problem with debate. Limbaugh, not so much.
Why doesn't DYes! have its own version of a ”Like” button yet??? Some people really have a way with words!Quote:
Originally Posted by louis