Scared of Sandy

One thing about Detroit that stands out especially at this time with Sandy looming about is Detroit's weather and environment. I guess environment is how to describe hurricanes, tornadoes, and earthquakes. We don't have them and that relieves some pressure off our daily lives. And, to me, our weather is okay for I don't mind the winter, especially since they haven't been so brutal in the past few years, and our summers have been a good variety of hot and hotter.

I bring up Sandy because she's the latest hurricane scare to hit the United States and I'm sure that its very uneasy living along the coastal states expecting a hurricane to hit or even just during the hurricane season. I love visiting our East Coast states but I don't think that I would love the worry that goes along with being so close to the ocean.Attachment 16334

Then to be in Florida and along the pan handle or in the Louisiana cost and having those hurricanes concerns got to be nerve racking.

Then to be in some of the hot weather states like Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Arizona, or New Mexico or Nevada has got to bring some challenges. I remember visiting some friends in Las Vegas and attending their son's footage game which started in 8 in the morning to beat the sun.

Now, in my book California is the most beautiful state with its wide variety of climates and landscapes, but mudslides, forest fires, and earthquakes have to add to life's pressures.

So, there's Detroit with its four seasons which allows me the opportunity to show off my winter jackets and wool suits, my spring coats and windbreakers, my summer shirts and short pants and my fall sweatshirts and corduroy pants.

I feel for the people who live along the east coast states and pray that Sandy turns outward towards the ocean and only leaves a little rain and that Louisiana never sees another Karina. And, that The Great Detroit has it's winter start one week before Christmas and end in February, Spring start in March, Summer start in May, and Fall start in November.

Oh, that might be wishing for too much.

They are expecting 20'+ waves on Lake Huron. Strong, if you have a lakefront cottage, I'd be concerned! Heck, just imagine what might happen in Lake St. Clair. Makes me glad I'm not rich and have a lakefront estate!

You really need to study your geography a bit more, especially the parts about the effect of elevation on weather. The average elevation in NM is about 5,500 feet and I live at about 5,400 feet. The high temps here exceed 100 4-5 days a year, but with 10-15% humidity, or less, and we get snow in the winter.

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Originally Posted by DetroitPlanner

They are expecting 20'+ waves on Lake Huron. Strong, if you have a lakefront cottage, I'd be concerned! Heck, just imagine what might happen in Lake St. Clair. Makes me glad I'm not rich and have a lakefront estate!

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I plan on being out on the North end of Lake St. Clair for tomorrow's blow. :cool: It's a great time for a duck hunter as the heavy seas will force the birds inland and to the protected bays at the North end of the lake.

Between 11,000 to 8,500 years ago during the last ice age, Michigan did get a lot of hurricanes. It's when the Earth warned up so fast that its vaporize glaciers causing the atmosphere to develop everyday severe foggy stormy, violent tornado and hyper windy conditions. It's was very warm during winter months with 75 degree temperatures and very hot during summer months up to 90 to 115 degrees. The gulf moisture was too much that powerful super hurricanes can come further inland to the U.S. and reach up to Canada as a Tropical Depression.

I'm right in the path of it. Michigan winters don't seem so bad right now. ;)

"I guess environment is how to describe hurricanes, tornadoes, and earthquakes. We don't have them".


Slight correction as MI does in fact have tornados.

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Originally Posted by Trumpeteer

"I guess environment is how to describe hurricanes, tornadoes, and earthquakes. We don't have them".


Slight correction as MI does in fact have tornados.

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They even go south of 8 Mile!

It's true. We don't have many natural disasters; we prefer to create our own.

"They even go south of 8 Mile!"

Last time a tornado went south of 8 mile, scrappers took every bit of metal swirling around in it's funnel!

Detroit does see Earthquakes and Tornadoes.

As far a tornadoes, there was the infamous outbreak back in 1997 where 13 tornadoes touched down across the area, including one on the city proper [[tracked from Hamtramck to Grosse Pointe).

As far as earthquakes, there was a 3.0 to 3.5 magnitude earthquake back in the early/mid 1990s. Then just recently there was the major earthquake on the east coast a lot of people reportedly felt here in Detroit.

BTW, earthquakes technically aren't weather. Earthquakes have no direct relation to the atmosphere.

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Originally Posted by poobert

It's true. We don't have many natural disasters; we prefer to create our own.

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Detroit's probably one of the most disaster-proof cities in the country.

We don't get hurricanes. We're far enough east from the Plains and east of Lake Michigan that we don't get a lot of severe weather. Even true blizzards are relatively infrequent [[as much as prople whine about the nickel/dime snow we get).

Our biggest fear, if anything, is Fermi and a nuclear meltdown. And also having to deal with all of the god damn cloudy days.

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Originally Posted by 313WX

Detroit's probably one of the most disaster-proof cities in the country.

We don't get hurricanes. We're far enough east from the Plains and east of Lake Michigan that we don't get a lot of severe weather. Even true blizzards are relatively infrequent [[as much as prople whine about the nickel/dime snow we get).

Our biggest fear, if anything, is Fermi and a nuclear meltdown. And also having to deal with all of the god damn cloudy days.

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I'm currently sitting through Sandy... doing work [[sorta).

From my anecdotal observations, the thunderstorms in Detroit are noticeably more intense than those on the northeast coast, for whatever reason.

Accumulating snow storms are also more frequent in Detroit, but intense snow storms/blizzards are more frequent on the East Coast. Noreasters are a force to be reckoned with. I can only recall one multi-foot accumulating snow fall from a single storm while growing up in southeast Michigan, but there seems to be one or more every other year that hits NYC. However, New York doesn't get many 3-5 inch snowfalls while Detroit seems to get them every couple weeks during the winter months.

And yeah, Detroit doesn't get hurricanes, obviously.

I feel similar living in Missouri. We don't have large-scale natural disasters very often. The most we ever get from hurricanes in the Gulf is severe storms. We have tornadoes, but they usually [[except for Joplin) have few casualties. We are overdue for a major earthquake, according to most scientists.

The middle of the country is relatively safe, though you never want to assume that a natural disaster is impossible.

... just wait for the next major New Madrid Fault earthquake to hit in SE Missouri... likely it will do catastrophic damage to Memphis and St. Louis, and lesser damage to other cities within a 500 mile radius. And like the great quakes of 1811-12... the church bells of New England will ring on their own again during the aftershocks...

The greatest and deadliest natural disaster threat Detroit faces is an ice storm with high winds followed by weeks of prolonged sub-zero temperatures, like the Great Quebec Ice Storm of 1998. Add a Fukushima Daiichi-scale meltdown of Fermi into the mix and the catastrophe is complete as no one could evacuate.

I didn't say my area is impervious to natural disaster. I was just saying the middle of the country faces fewer natural disasters than the coasts.

No place is safe from any natural disaster.

Man this is great no one tried to dog me out.

I remember the tornado that touched down in Detroit, it hit in Highland Park and damaged that oil change store on Woodward.
And, I remember as a youngster, being afraid of a tornado and having to go into the basement, but nothing happen.

Now, I was in LA during a earthquake and I enjoyed it. I was with a lady, she started screaming and I thought it was me, especially since it only lasted a minute. :p

http://forecast.weather.gov/shmrn.php?mz=lhz441

forecasting up to 25 to 37-foot waves off Port Austin, MI tonite...

Michigan gets tornadoes, but no where near the frequency/intensity of the plains states, including Illinois. We can have brutal winters and summers, but they usually are ok. [[this summer sucked! I'm not a big fan of that level of heat!) the winter storms are no where near as nasty as nor'easters get. California is overrated. I laugh when they institute water conservation rules in so. cal. I've been known to take video of me watering the lawn in the rain, taking a sip out of a giant pitcher of water and dumping the rest on the driveway, putting food color on different sides of the toilet and recording how they mix when I flush and all sorts of other water-wasting fun. I then sent them to friends there. Earthquakes? we have virtually no chance of getting anything major here. If I were in Memphis, I'd be very worried about that New Madrid fault

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Originally Posted by rb336

Earthquakes? we have virtually no chance of getting anything major here. If I were in Memphis, I'd be very worried about that New Madrid fault

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Schools in Western KY & TN have earthquake drills, they're very worried about New Madrid fault

http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net...9382209803.jpg
Sandy Cheeks

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Who? Li'l ol' me?

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Breaking New, Sandy destroy most of the east coast, foring residence of the former east coast of the untied states, to move to other areas,

In related news the city of Detroit population reaches over 1.5 million due to the residence of the former east coast getting relocated to Detroit and other rust belt cities, the east side of Detroit see tent cities built, popping up over night, Detroit hasn't seen this much of population growth in over 50 years. Why Detroit you make ask, simple because the infacstructure was already there.

Oh-er, umm, what timing! --:eek:--

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Originally Posted by Strong

Now, I was in LA during a earthquake and I enjoyed it. I was with a lady, she started screaming and I thought it was me, especially since it only lasted a minute. :p

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Originally Posted by GUSHI

Breaking New, Sandy destroy most of the east coast, foring residence of the former east coast of the untied states, to move to other areas,

In related news the city of Detroit population reaches over 1.5 million due to the residence of the former east coast getting relocated to Detroit and other rust belt cities, the east side of Detroit see tent cities built, popping up over night, Detroit hasn't seen this much of population growth in over 50 years. Why Detroit you make ask, simple because the infacstructure was already there.

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And the "third coast" population skyrockets to 4 million ;)

No trees landed on my house and I'm not moving back to Detroit. Unless someone offers me a great job. :p

"No trees landed on my house and I'm not moving back to Detroit."

Haven't you heard? Ho' foods is coming! And Buffaloed Wild Things!

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Originally Posted by poobert

It's true. We don't have many natural disasters; we prefer to create our own.

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Well played. :)

Lord No! There's more than enough Yankies here already! ;)

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Originally Posted by GUSHI

Breaking New, Sandy destroy most of the east coast, foring residence of the former east coast of the untied states, to move to other areas,

In related news the city of Detroit population reaches over 1.5 million due to the residence of the former east coast getting relocated to Detroit and other rust belt cities, the east side of Detroit see tent cities built, popping up over night, Detroit hasn't seen this much of population growth in over 50 years. Why Detroit you make ask, simple because the infacstructure was already there.

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Infrastructure on the east side of Detroit? Last I looked, it was pretty well past its useful life -- as a generality.

On the other hand, nearly unlimited fresh water from Lake Huron is a really rare asset. Name one other city with a connection to one of the world's largest freshwater lakes upstream of virtually all industry.

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Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch

Infrastructure on the east side of Detroit? Last I looked, it was pretty well past its useful life -- as a generality.

On the other hand, nearly unlimited fresh water from Lake Huron is a really rare asset. Name one other city with a connection to one of the world's largest freshwater lakes upstream of virtually all industry.

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Port Huron?

Buffalo?

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Originally Posted by TKshreve

Port Huron?

Buffalo?

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Detroit never sounded so good.

Sandy was bad news, she really did some major damage. That was f...d up!

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Originally Posted by poobert

Detroit never sounded so good.

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Laughed out loud.

Sandy was one mean bitch.

My wife is named Sandy, and yes, I am afraid of her. Call me whipped, I can take it.

when do the "I got blown by Sandy" T-shirts come out?

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Originally Posted by jiminnm

You really need to study your geography a bit more, especially the parts about the effect of elevation on weather. The average elevation in NM is about 5,500 feet and I live at about 5,400 feet. The high temps here exceed 100 4-5 days a year, but with 10-15% humidity, or less, and we get snow in the winter.

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You are exactly right jiminnm!!! Does this look like Nevada or Arizona Strong??? I took this picture in NEW MEXICO today!!!

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that's lovely. I have only ever been to the far western border area of NM.

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Originally Posted by rb336

that's lovely. I have only ever been to the far western border area of NM.

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The picture was taken just on the other side of the Rio Grande in Albuquerque, NM.

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Originally Posted by MidTownMs

The picture was taken just on the other side of the Rio Grande in Albuquerque, NM.

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I love the area around Santa Fe & Tres Padres. See you in about 8 years.

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Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

I love the area around Santa Fe & Tres Padres. See you in about 8 years.

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You will absolutely love it here!!! Can't wait to go skiing in Colorado. Only 5 hours away!!!

I've visited several times over the years and really liked it. I can't remember the overpass, but the view down to the Rio Grand is breath taking, literally.

"Moon over the Rio Grande":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fghST...feature=colike

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Originally Posted by MidTownMs

The picture was taken just on the other side of the Rio Grande in Albuquerque, NM.

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I didn't see you wave as you drove through.

Actually, I'm about 17 miles north of the I25 and I40 intersection. We can see the aspens on the Sandias, then take a short stroll and see the cottonwoods, and a few aspens, along the Rio Grande valley.

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Originally Posted by Honky Tonk

I love the area around Santa Fe & Tres Padres. See you in about 8 years.

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Sorry you have to wait that long...:[[

Jim, when I drive to Detroit from my home in Las Vegas, I always take I-40 [[I hate that drive through eastern Colorado and Nebraska. Yuk.) and just love hitting the NM border. Eastern Arizona [[painted desert area) is nothing but flat, boring countryside for 200 miles, once you leave Flag. But NM is a pure delight for all....what, 360?....miles across 'er. Beautiful cliffs, buttes, and mesas all the way to the Texas panhandle. Well, then it gets boring again until Missouri. If I had to leave NV, NM would be my #2 choice for living.

Ray, any time you want a tour, let me know.

Sorry, but I can't do anything about the chain of billboards between Albuquerque and Santa Rosa.

For Cline's Corners? Aw, no big deal.

What struck me about Detroit weather was the high humidity; not as bad as Georgia's of Central Florida's but noticeable making summers seem hotter and winters colder. I prefer brisk 10 degree weather in Wisconsin to standing around in the slush, when it's 32 degrees, waiting for a bus in Detroit.

Unrelated but came across this. Someone posted this with the message: "

Sorry for all the folks having trouble right now, but I thought this was pretty cute. I hate being so dependent on electricity." Come to think of it, I don't know of any Amish who bought into a flood plain. One of the comments to the photo was, " attitude dudes!!!!"

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...17442760_n.jpg

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Originally Posted by Ray1936

Jim, when I drive to Detroit from my home in Las Vegas, I always take I-40 [[I hate that drive through eastern Colorado and Nebraska. Yuk.) and just love hitting the NM border. Eastern Arizona [[painted desert area) is nothing but flat, boring countryside for 200 miles, once you leave Flag. But NM is a pure delight for all....what, 360?....miles across 'er. Beautiful cliffs, buttes, and mesas all the way to the Texas panhandle. Well, then it gets boring again until Missouri. If I had to leave NV, NM would be my #2 choice for living.

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Ray I moved to NM from Detroit 7 months ago. I am so in awe of this place. Here is some of what you were describing.

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Originally Posted by MidTownMs

Ray I moved to NM from Detroit 7 months ago. I am so in awe of this place. Here is some of what you were describing.

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Looks like they could use a few party stores...... Take a drive from Alberquerque to Santa Fe down the Turquoise Highway, some time in early April, when the sage is fresh. Awesome smell. Visit one of the Native American reservations. Quite the learning experience.

http://www.detroityes.com/mb/image/j...SlKEJSlKEL/9k=

The damage from Hurricane Sandy is so extreme... hard to believe! Before and after photos further reveal the devastation:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...ef=mostpopular

Great shots, MidTownMs! It's a different world, isn't it? Although I like my Nevada desert as well. BTW, pushing 80 today again and I haven't seen a cloud all month.

Ray, that's one thing I envy, growing tomatoes and peppers year 'round!

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Simply wonderful shot MidTwnM... can I come visit? Blue skies indeed! And those mountains... ahhhh

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Originally Posted by Ray1936

Great shots, MidTownMs! It's a different world, isn't it? Although I like my Nevada desert as well. BTW, pushing 80 today again and I haven't seen a cloud all month.

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Yes Ray it is a totally different world and I love it!!! New Mexico is truly the Land of Enchantment.

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Originally Posted by Zacha341

Simply wonderful shot MidTwnM... can I come visit? Blue skies indeed! And those mountains... ahhhh

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Did you notice there were no potholes in the road...:)