No reason to keep this up- Some of you people here are really actually mean and well, appear to be unhappy in your lives-
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No reason to keep this up- Some of you people here are really actually mean and well, appear to be unhappy in your lives-
No idea on the car, but where is the location? The graffiti is intriguing!!
There was a Cadillac in those first few pics? I didn't notice!
But in all seriousness, if you run into that car again in that area, why not just slip a business card or a note under the windshield wiper to see if they'll contact you at a later time. Let them know what you want to do with it and to sweeten the deal- let them know that there's at least some credit given and maybe some cash involved for their efforts.
Promo stunt thread?
At any rate, why do you wish to find the owner of the Caddy?
Model shots with abandoned buildings has never been done before. This is truly unique.
I'm confused. You go up to someone's car and sit on it and take pics and don't know who's car it is? Especially in Detroit where people have been shot over who makes better Kool-Aid? If some stranger started sitting on my car and taking pictures, I would be inclined to call the police.
As are photos of the Eiffel Tower in Paris, the Great Wall in China, the Pyramids in Eygpt, Skyscrapers in New York...its our local environment, as a photographer we work with what we have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Occurrence
Don't you guys know? That's Retinto's Cadillac.
This would have been better about 5 years ago. The abandoned building thing has been done to death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cinderpath
I don't know if he's still around, but there use to be this hack that went by Fuzzytec or something photography who only shot models inside abandoned buildings. His work was unbelievably horrible.
I wouldn't mess around with random people's cars though. That could end rather badly.
The MCS shots look a bit like photoshop.
Yup. Promo stunt thread...as if the photo of the chick's ass in front of the train station might help identify the car owner.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikefmich
That car is like always parked on 14th south of mi ave.
I saw a chick driving it south on Anthony Wayne just south of warren like two weeks ago.
Thats all I got for ya :)
I can't believe no one has commented on how awful the actual model is in these photos. She looks constipated...not professional caliber at all...not one ounce of sex appeal...
She's OK, but it looks like she's in a great deal of pain in most of the shots [[and I don't think it's from the shoes). Or at the very least like she REALLY doesn't want to be there.
Cinderpath-
If you wanted to promote your shoot then you should havedone just that. I think you would have received a much more receptive responseif you came at people upfront instead of using the caddy as an excuse forpeople to see your work. Because that's exactly what you wanted. I don't thinkyou should attempt to play people as naive, people saw right through your post.
Detroiters are supportive of their own but next time just be candid aboutyour post.
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Originally Posted by illwill
First lets cut to the chase: I had zero interest in promoting my work- The first photos I posted were of the car, and one of the sidewalk next to the car w/ graffiti. I wanted to do more shots of the car, in the future in the area that was the reason I was interested. [[I did in fact get in touch with the owner). I like it as history buff, as it was probably built at the Cadillac Clark Ave Assy plant not far from where the photo was taken. I am funny about working around peoples property, so I wanted to contact them, explain the situation. Work out an arraignment, out of courtesy. I guess I am old fashioned.
One person asked about the graffiti. The naive part of me was to post more of the images with graffiti with others from the shoot, thinking people might want to actually see more form the area. It was after all a fun project in a neat location. And hey it was ironic to see a car built almost 40 years ago roll off the line a few blocks away. That person asking, may have wanted to see the graffiti themselves, which was remarkable. I thought I would tell them exactly where it was, in the spirit of sharing. And not tell them, "Go find it yourself".
I have been a member on these boards for >6 years, and only posted 1,[[ONE) other photo on these boards, prior to this. Promoting my work? Not here, fortunately that is what magazine and book editors do for my work. I come here for information and spirit of community. But I apparently wandered into dangerous territory.
My problem with people on here, is a lot of threads often degenerate into a game of one-upmanship of who can come up even more snide remarks, to the point they become mean. Like the usual post here when a crime is reported, then the blame the victim post often happens within a few minutes. Causing me to question what the hell is wrong with people here: is it not OK to enjoy living, working and recreating, share with others what we do without pissing peoples cornflakes?
Sorry to burst all of your bubbles- there was not any agenda other than asking about the car, another poster asked about the graffiti, I posted a few more photos, then we were off to the races. My mistake, I'll make sure to share my work elsewhere with people who like it, or enjoy it, without the ranker that photographers shoots abandon things here [[duh), and don't feel the need to make pissy remarks that add zero value to the conversation. To quote Sigmund Freud "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." Have a wonderful day fellow Detroiters.....
I call Bullshit. You could just posted the photo of the car, or the woman with the car, to answer your question. Instead you posted a bunch of other photos that had nothing to do with the car. What does this "model" posing in front of the train station have to do with who owns the Caddy? Nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cinderpath
As stated above, you were using that car as a way of attempting to plug your work. We aren't stupid.
Again- thanks for proving my point exactly, what does this add to the conversation? PS- She has been professionally modeling since she was 15, and had a lot of success with it, and continues to do so. No need to post other photos of her in publications, etc, here, as meaningless opinions such as yours won't stop her, or your keyboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Occurrence
What pics? I dont see any pics or links. What am I missing?
Then you could have edited/cropped the pictures to cut out the girl so they focused on the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cinderpath
And like someone else mentioned, you could have simply put a business card on the windshield asking the owner to contact you instead of posting asking if just by chance anyone in the world might possibly have some off-chance knowledge of the owner.
Professional model? Hmmmm.........
OP took his toys and went home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Django
Had a bunch of picks of a chick in a black bodysuit doing some strange awkward poses with grimaces of sheer pain on her face. The premise was to ask about the owner of an old brown Cadillac which anyone with any initiative could easily determine.
Damn, sounds like I missed out. What a tease.
Put em back up Cinder.
One person asked about the location, 14th street, and graffiti there. [[You ought to read the entire post). I showed photos from the location. For the geographically challenged Detroiter, YOU, it is directly across from MCS- go to Google street view, check it out. Anyway, it doesn't matter, no pix to look at now- so go find another thread to complain about, like the other photographer who took photos of skate borders at the Packard Plant. Come to think of it, I think you post in threads to plug your stick-in-the-mud views about everything. I feel sorry for who [[if any) person you are involved with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Occurrence
And again, you could have edited the pictures to focus on the graffiti and location and mentioned the relation to MCS instead of posting another 6 or 7 pictures of the girl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cinderpath
I liked how the stranger conveniently parked the car across 3 spaces and in front of the building, making for a perfect photo opportunity.
Well, if your familiar with Detroit, and I say 14th street, down from the Mercury Bar, then you would know perfectly well, that this is in front of MCS. [[I suspect you're from the suburbs, due to your lack of familiarity with the city).Quote:
Originally Posted by Meddle
So, are you asking to look at the photos of all the graffiti, and other things in the area?
Since this topic is so interesting to you, and you now know where it is, go down there take your own photos of the place. The car is most likely parked there, as the owner lives there, and it is parked there daily. I am sure we will be blown away at how well you document the location. The best part, with your own pictures, you can comment how the photos, rip off the tagger, plug your own work, and are yet again images of urban decay around here. Have at it-
Mystery solved. The stranger, is the owner, and lives there, and parks there daily. I know its hard to believe that a person owning a car would park it in front of, or near their residence. And when you go there in the afternoon, and the car is parked on an east-west street, the lighting would make it a perfect photo opportunity. Not sure how you were able to come up with parking across three spaces [[?) Wow people here are just a tad suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shollin
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Originally Posted by Cinderpath
You could see the lines for the parking spaces and it was parked across at least two parking spaces.
So why don't you go up and knock on his door instead of advertising your pictures here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cinderpath
As in any debate I think the truth here is somewhere in the middle. If it was promotional, so what, no one had to open the pics. Perhaps a show of the car only may have been more appropriate for the subject line if help was the main reason for the post. No critique was asked for so they may have been as rude or uncalled for but That comes with the territory tho for any artist. Learned that in Art school. No one should feel manipulated or lied to over a simple post. I think the heat is just getting to everyone.
Hey, I deleted that comment because it was out of line. How did you quote that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cinderpath
Much adeu over nothing.
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Originally Posted by Cinderpath
What? The owner lives in an abandon Hotel? In the burned out houses? In the empty fields. WTF?
Chillax people. Whether an innocent request or not, or some where in between, no big deal. It's not like he's the CCS guy who's been spilling paint all over town, including on freeway bridge abutments, and calling it art. That guy deserves a thrashing. Cinderpath's posts were harmless, and featured a cool car.
those darn CCS'ers
I will be the first to admit that I did not know who Cinderpath was until I saw his real name on the photos. No one is putting me up to this, nor does Cinderpath know I'm doing this [[well, he will if he reads it). M. Ross Valentine is a very well known local photographer. He is especially noted for his railroad photography and marine photography [[that's what I'm familiar with). He has been photographing for many years and has many published works, including many photographs in the book linked below [[Lake Boats). I can honestly say that he was NOT using this forum, nor does he have a need to use this forum, to promote his work. He is not an unestablished, amatuer hobbyist. As a long time member of this forum, it disappoints me how bitter and angry people are, and how quick to judge. For that reason, I rarely post, and only occasionally lurk anymore. Respectfully....
http://www.amazon.com/Lake-Boats-End...rds=lake+boats
I smell a rat.
why take the pics off and keep the thread open anyway.
Everybody's a critic.
What you smell is someone's who has been on this site forever getting jumped on over some bullshit. Find something else to be suspicious of or bitch and moan about.
BillyBBrew, the pictures I saw were not what I would consider professional quality. They looked like the typical Comp Shots a model would pay for to add to her portfolio or website.
They were decent and obviously shot with a good camera, but not what you might see in a magazine.
The kicker was the whole "who's car is this?/I know who owns the car and where they live and where they park everyday" conundrum.
He doesn't have the option of closing a thread even if he started it. That is up to the adminsQuote:
Originally Posted by kenp
I think people simply need to get off their asses and actually go do something themselves. Maybe they could run for City Council.
gotcha, I will turn my attention to L brookes. I jumped in this one way to lateQuote:
Originally Posted by Islandman
I've been developing a theory that Detroiters have been suffering so many disappointments for so many years that they've developed PTSD symptoms.
This thread has confirmed it. :[[