Any particular areas you wouldn't want to get lost at?
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Any particular areas you wouldn't want to get lost at?
Woodbridge. I've spent time in just about every part of the city, and the one time I got robbed it was at Forest and Avery. :)
Miz, are you visiting for the Final Four? Or visiting for any particular other reason?
Woodbridge? I hope your not serious .. . Out of all the places in Detroit. . . April Fools Joke?
I am serious that I spend time in many different parts of the city on a fairly regular basis, and that the only time I've ever been robbed was in Woodbridge. I'm facetiously extrapolating my personal experience to mean that Woodbridge is more dangerous than other parts of the city, in an attempt to make a mockery of the whole question "what are the most dangerous parts of Detroit, " because I think it's kind of a dumb question. Got it?Quote:
Originally Posted by French777
The most dangerous? I'd say Michigan Ave, from downtown to Dearborn, anywhere near rush hour. People drive like there are no defined lanes! It's downright scary... one guy in front of you doing 12 mph, while another is coming up from behind doing 60 and changing lanes with no rhyme or reason.
Birmingham any where near Maple, Old Woodward and Southfield Road after dark if your are a Black male and young....
Vandyke/94 area isn't the greatest for sure!
I would be careful between Grosse Pointe and Livonia and from the River up to Ferndale
Let the suburbs vs. city battling being at the new DetroitYES!Quote:
Originally Posted by dosee
It's gotten us far thus far!
So stick to Warrendale and Southwest and you'll be fine. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by irish_mafia
My block :cool:
Michigan & Livernois after dark!
:eek:
Council Chambers and offices, any intersection Martha Reeves is approaching, and being in the same room with Monica Conyers and LBP.:cool:
I figure any area that a Detroiter is unfamiliar with will seem more dangerous than others.
For me, it was the North End, and certain areas on the East Side... and neither of those until very recently. My sister's boyfriend lived in the North End, and we knew people all up and down the East Side. Even while teaching at Cass Tech, I got my hair done in some really seedy areas.
Until perhaps 10 years ago, the only places I was wary of in the city during daylight hours were:
--the projects [[before they tore those down)
--places I knew were crack houses
That's about it. As I always told my out-of-town friends, "it looks worse than it actually is".
But after 4 years in Ann Arbor, I'm starting to get soft and skittish whenever I go into the neighborhoods outside the CBD. Even my own block was starting to change back in 2004/5. And four years later, it's almost unrecognizable. But unlike a lot of folks who are middle or upper class and living outside of Detroit, as a Detroit native, I know that it's not that the city's changed so drastically... it's that I've changed.
As far as the suburbs? Now, THAT's where I used to be nervous... and I'm a lady! Growing up in CAY-era Detroit, I heard all kinds of things about being caught in certain communities after dark. Now I'm just fine -- still can't pay me to go "up North", though!
I agree that anywhere near Monica Conyers could be dangerous. You just never know what could get tossed at you within that woman's proximity.
I worked there when I was younger and it was scary then. Anyone know if the Commercial Steel Treating plant building is still there?
Sorry. LIVERNOIS AND TIREMAN area [[I had put that in the title, but I guess that doesnt get posted)
lol.. no i'm from Michigan. Currently live in Farmington but i've stayed awhile at Mack and Moross and Wyoming and Tireman. I find the Joy Rd. areas between Wyoming and Telegraph to be pretty dangerous. ALOT of drug trafficking [[especially those coming from the suburbs) Also Second/Seward areas even though you have quite a few Wayne Staters staying in the apts closest to the end of the block.
ALL unless you are riding in an APC [[armored personnel carrier).
Back in the early 90's, I helped open the Arbor Drugs [[I assume there is a CVS there now) at Wyoming and Tireman. Of all of the locations I helped set up [[there were a few) this was the only location were they had security before the store was even open for business. On their opening day, the store was open for business for less than 1/2 hour before we had the police there taking away the first shoplifter. After working there for a couple more days, I never set foot back in the building.Quote:
Originally Posted by MizMotown
i was lost one night [[well, morning really-- it was 2am) around the wyoming/tireman area. i had just moved to detroit and got lost driving home from a party in woodbridge [[!). anyways, i stopped at a liquor store in the tireman/wyoming area [[only thing really open) to ask for directions and the clerk said to me "get in your car and get out of here as fast as you can." uh, ok... then he told me to wait in my car because he got off work in 15 minutes and he would help me get home.
scare the sh*t of me and then offer to guide me home? no thanks.
Avoide my driveway near E. Warren/Outer Drive. I was held up at gunpoint once after I put my car in the garage. So I'm a suburbanite now following that fun.
I first came to Detroit in 1994 as a freshman at Michigan Christian College in Rochester Hills. My hometown in the Ohio Firelands, a sleepy little university town of less than 20,000 residents, resembles a Norman Rockwell painting.
Detroit scared the hell out of me. When driving through the city on I-75 to or from home, I would put the hammer down to get through as fast as I could. The only thing cruising faster than my 90 mph were the prayers on my lips. The heart palpitations did not stop until I saw the Oakland Mall sign northbound or the outlet mall southbound.
My 18-year old fresh-off-the-farm self would be thunderstruck to learn that 15 years later, getting lost in Detroit is one of my favorite things to do.
I agree that the area by Outer Drive and Warren is spooky, especially off the beaten path. I've been over in there at night and saw enough to know that I don't want to go back. I read about a lot of bad stuff going down in the area between Seven Mile and Eight Mile close to the Chrysler Freeway. Based on my observations driving through there a few times, those rumors have some substance.
Woodward and Jefferson, You never know when Monica Conyers is going to come out of that building on the corner.
"I read about a lot of bad stuff going down in the area between Seven Mile and Eight Mile close to the Chrysler Freeway. Based on my observations driving through there a few times, those rumors have some substance.[/quote]"
Thats heavy drug territory. The thing is, just a few blocks west of John R is Ferndale, and they really dont have a lot of major problems.It pretty much changes immediatly across 8 mile. One side has mostly stripped, boarded-up houses. The other side is intact and occuppied. Such a sharp contrast for just being a few blocks apart. Kinda eerie.
MLK and Third where all the homeless crackheads and head cases hangout. The people hanging out there can be extremely unpredictable, which scares me every time I roll through the area. I was riding my bicycle through there last summer and a guy grabbed this brick and threw it across the street at a pigeon 3 feet in front of me. I nearly pooped my pants.
And people wonder why everyone [[that can) want to move out of Detroit.
Hate to play Blame the Victim, but whose idea was it to plant a garden on that particular corner? Anyone who's ever been there could have seen that coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by paragon_belial
The only real trouble I have ever had in Detroit was at Comerica Park and around there. From the begining of the 80's on, all of the places that I have stayed at in Detroit I have heard gun shots , either close by or off in the distance. As for the suburbs I would stay clear of Little Saigon in Inkster which I hear is bad AND I don't care to investigate.
And now that I think of it. When an ex girlfriend of mine lived at Lexington/Lafayette&Green. All I would hear from a co-worker was "Get her and the kid outta there". That came from the mouth of a person who lived in the Michigan/Livernois area.. While I sat on the porch at night most of the gun fire that I did hear came from the Northeast which was his neighborhood. Actually thanks to Cub, I have found some areas on the Eastside that I would not want to be at. But you have to remember anything can happen at any given moment.
Maybe someone with a bit of mapping ability can post a map of the best and worst neighborhoods. I had a thread on the old board about this and it was packed with responses- seems like an interesting topic.
dadeeo...46...white male....works from home.....can live anywhere....will be in town this week to tour condos, I WANT to live in Detroit....I love everything about it...good and bad
Sorry English, I can't let that last comment slide. Were you to be stranded "Up North", you wouldn't find yourself in any danger. Your opinion of northern Michigan is unfounded. You would be assisted by folks who are genuinely helpful and caring. Don't paint everyone with the same brush.Quote:
Originally Posted by English
A number of years ago, I was in a post-grad program at MSU. Some of the meeting locations were in various parts of the state. Some of the blacks in the program refused to travel into Northern Michigan. They were very vocal about this. I lost quite a bit of respect for them after that. After all, this girl from the north traveled into Detroit in order to fulfill the requirements of the program.
One more thing, when I returned to the city from the northern part of Michigan, I was worried I might say the "wrong" thing or might not be as knowledgeable about diversity. That fear was unfounded. I've never met so many racists as I have in the city and in surrounding areas. Many of the racists are black.
English, please don't make such a region or ethnicity, unless you've lived there.
Thank you.
How about recent crime reports.
http://detroit.mi.crimeviewcommunity.com/wizard.asp
The most dangerous area That I've grew up in Detroit was... Wait a minute! every area in Detroit is the most dangerous.
Thanks for the link, NDavies.
In the last ten days it looks like there have only been 3 auto thefts, 2 burglaries and a larceny [[reported) in the 7 Mile and Redmond area. I feel much safer now.:o
thanks for the link Davies.
Kelly -Hope you feel really safe - those are only the crimes people lived to report lol
That is a statistical impossibility. It's like when Garrison Keillor says that all the children in Lake Wobegon are above average.Quote:
Originally Posted by S.P.A.
Bear -Exactly right - because there are no children IN lake wobegon - only fish- and they are all below average.
Ocean, some truth to that, sad to say.
It's one thing to feel safe when it's just you. In some ways it's a measure of courage ... or maybe brains.
It's a different matter entirely when you think you're putting your family or others with you in harms way. The bar is much higher then.
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Originally Posted by LodgeDodger
Black Michiganders didn't just come up with the "don't go up North" mantra for no reason at all. You'd do well to learn a little history before you lecture me over a lighthearted, throwaway comment.
In that original post, I could have said more about "up North" from PERSONAL experience. H*ll, I could say more about what you've typed above, but I'll show you more respect than you've done for me and your classmates... and refrain. But thanks for confirming what we already know.
And by the way, you're quite welcome.
What about West Grand Blvd.? I hear thats a rough area too.
Or didn't get bored waiting for the Police and gave up on filing a report.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ocean2026
What ALL of you folks fail to realize, is that the detroit police are a sad state.
It is their job to "Roust" these rats who would , throw bricks at you, call you names, try and rob, extort and cause the City it "EARNED" reputation.
I want a Badge, and a Boss who wont Stop me, and Watch how much the City Gets More Safe !!
What is Required is to let ALL the low life's know that the police WIL NOT let this continue, with NO APOLOGIES !
If your a rat, Get out or Get Ready for BIG Troubles in your life !NOT A CUSHY jail cell, Just Shipped out of the state, Jus hasssled until you Cry uncle !
Just made misable, Until you learn, on that same level as a dog does, YOu make Trouble, IT AINT WORTH IT !
Yeah - 11 Mile and Main Street in downtown Royal Oak at about 2:10 am on a Friday night.Quote:
Any particular areas you wouldn't want to get lost at?
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WGB and what? Near the hospital it's pretty nice. Not bad all the way down near Fort Street either.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMac
1) Northeast, N. Of Harper, East of Gratiot. That old precint at one time had the highest number of priority calls in the nation.
2) Dexter or Linwood, the further south the worse. An old supervisor of mine grew up there and said "Ha ha, Id like to see you try to go down there. Id pay to watch that."
3) 7 mile/8 mile and 75. Absolutely rotted. Over 1/2 the houses are boarded. Lots and lots of dopers and hookers.The vagrants at the 8 Mile bridge are the more desireable denizens there.They just want money, not to peddle filth. And it seems like every week, I see another house burned just within view from 75.
Lets be fair, the suburbs have some bad places too. Pontiac, much as I like that city, has multiple bad areas. Mt. Clemens, Walnut street north of downtown, Dickinson/Rathbone on the east end. The Norwayne area of Westland is kind of iffy. Im trying to be fair and not single out the city.
The Coleman A. Young Municipal Center City Council Chamber hands down!
One time I talked to a guy who worked for Michigan Bell who collected coins frome the pay phones. He said Rosa Parks frome W. Grand Blvd. to Highland Park and the surrounding area was the worst in his opinion. At least in terms of robberies.:cool:
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Originally Posted by HPGrmln
Thats heavy drug territory. The thing is, just a few blocks west of John R is Ferndale, and they really dont have a lot of major problems.It pretty much changes immediatly across 8 mile. One side has mostly stripped, boarded-up houses. The other side is intact and occuppied. Such a sharp contrast for just being a few blocks apart. Kinda eerie.[/QUOTE]
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... I apologize in advance for bringing up a truly old/archived thread [[2009), but I'd like to hear opinions on how the city of Detroit has improved/changed/worsened since this thread was posted five years ago...
Conyers is now a free woman [[I think), so that's either good or bad, depending on your perspective.
Every street in Detroit is dangerous. I know, because I grew up in the hood! In the ghetto. My friends got killed, some of family members got killed, my family even got beat up and mugged by gang members, thieves and raped. That's is every day life in Detroit. So watch yourselves. All of Detroit is a big ghetto, and people are a part of it.
And it keeps getting worse. Used to be you got robbed because someone needed money. I'm not condoning it, but somehow you could justify it in your mind. Now you can get killed for sport. Life means nothing to this new breed. Yours or theirs.
I'd say the entire building.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norwalk
There are lots of Hoodlums and riff raff in Birmingham.
The voting places in the inner suburbs on August 5, 2014.
Many people will be very angry at people like me who claim voting NO is the smart choice.
Claim is a great word :) Thanks for your honesty That Great GuyQuote:
Originally Posted by That Great Guy
Basically anywhere off the beaten path is pretty dangerous in Detroit. I would have to say that the most dangerous area if I am looking at one area is the area off of the Chrysler between 6 and 8 Mile.
Midtown is the most dangerous area in Detroit. Things are so bad, the DPD had to be called in to act as crossing guards, so the yupsters could make it safely accross the street.Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroitPlanner
Some parts of Highland Park, seeing as I got shot at there once.
If you live in the suburbs and only go downtown when there is an event/concert, those folk would consider the entire city a "dangerous neighborhood". But realistically, one of the worst areas nowadays is near 7 & Gratiot [[east side red zone), harper/van dyke is not a friendly neighborhood, one time i got lost over near Shoemaker & French Road/ Harper & French, that is a BAD neighborhood after dark, 8 mile/I-75 to 7 mile/I-75, parts of southwest have gang problems but nothing real serious, I mean it depends who you are. If you are a nervous surburbanite that is praying to God as you are passing through the city [[Even on the Freeway), than you probably shouldnt be in the city outside of downtown/midtown. I am a white male, I am in the city everyday [[west side), usually walking/busing. I never have a problem. I walk day and night. Any area you are unfamiliar with could be considered dangerous.
Lots of bodies seem to drop west of Linwood, north of Oakman, east of Wyoming, and south of McNichols. From a law enforcement perspective, any area with a denser population with high crime would be considered the most dangerous. Areas NE of city Airport to me are the most dangerous, the NE part of the city in general has concentrated crime.
East St. Louis
Actually always amused that if negative things are said about Detroit the views go through the roof. This thread is over 17K.
Detroit Yes ....folks, find your thrills somewhere else. Or Maybe be a part of a solution.
West Warren right around Central, near Serena and Holmes Street. Right near where Brooksey's is located. Terrible part of town.
The Grosse Pointes. I might have to sing my way out.
It's also a six year old thread, so maybe that has something to do with it. Why don't you blame the posters who keep resurrecting it from the grave?Quote:
Originally Posted by sumas
Yeah, I'd have to go with that one. Detroit's got nothing on that area.Quote:
Originally Posted by rb336
I do not blame anyone. Just commenting. Indeed though, why resurrect negativity.Quote:
Originally Posted by aj3647
I find joy, kindness, fellowship where ever I go. It's what I get and give, that is what I do. I could write volumes on the good, the bad, the ugly. I prefer to focus on the good.
Plenty of problems and I still say most Detroiters are the best people around.
The two threads with the most views on the front page are Detroit's Wealth Of Architectural Talent! with 320,000+ views and Old Detroit Bars with 94,000+ views. That's way more views than this thread and neither one of those are negative about Detroit. So I don't see a connection between negativity and page views. I don't think 17,000 views is unusually high for a thread that is six years old, regardless of its subject matter. There are threads created this week that have several thousand views already.
If anything, the threads that get the most views/traffic around here are the nostalgia ones. The "hey, remember stuff from 60 years ago when Detroit was great?" threads.
Positivity and Negativity...Quote:
Originally Posted by sumas
Interestingly, negative reinforcement gets things done more than positive reinforcement at times.
For Sumas unasked for advise...http://lifehacker.com/5948124/counte...tuations-worse
Good post, Dan. You're like the Dr. Phil of DetroitYES!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Wesson
Perhaps I agree or maybe not, sorry no longer open attachments. Tired of malware.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Wesson
I treat my neighbors well and they return same courtesy. We do well with the three C's.
Co operation, consideration, communication.
The article was so short, I thought I'd just copy it here:Quote:
Originally Posted by sumas
That makes sense but I think just three paragraphs doesn't quite cover the topic adequately.Quote:
Countering Negativity with Positivity Makes Situations Worse
When faced with a negative situation, many of us want to correct the problem. We often think to look on the upside and share that with others. Our attempt to shift a negative emotion to a positive one seems like a good idea, but it actually makes things worse. Peter Bregman, writing for Psychology Today, explains why:Countering someone's negativity with your positivity doesn't work because it's argumentative. People don't like to be emotionally contradicted and if you try to convince them that they shouldn't feel something, they'll only feel it more stubbornly. And if you're a leader trying to be positive, it comes off even worse because you'll appear out of touch and aloof to the reality that people are experiencing.
He also suggests a better approach. Instead of telling the negative person to look on the bright side, validate how they feel and agree with them when you honestly can. Finally, find out what they are positive about and encourage it. You can't force your specific positivity on others. It makes the problem worse. Instead, look for their positivity and help it grow.
Oh. Which is why they link to the longer article at Psychology Today:Quote:
"I'm getting to the end of my patience," Dan,* the head of sales for a financial services firm, told me. "There is so much opportunity here — the business is growing, the work is interesting, and bonuses should be pretty good this year — but all I hear is complaining."
When he passed his employees in the hall and asked how it was going, they would respond with a critical comment about a client or they would grumble about the amount of work they were juggling.
"How can I turn around the negativity that pervades my team?" he asked me.
I asked him what he was doing now. "At first, I told them how much opportunity we had in front of us, and I reiterated our mission statement," he said. "I wanted to remind them what we're all working towards. Now though?" he threw his hands up in the air, "I'm just pissed. I want to shake them out of their slump."
Dan's response is completely natural and intuitive. Unfortunately, it's also completely ineffective.
Initially, he tried to counter the negativity with positivity. When that didn't work, he became negative himself. Both responses reaped the same outcome: More negativity.
Here's why: Countering someone's negativity with your positivity doesn't work because it'sargumentative. People don't like to be emotionally contradicted and if you try to convince them that they shouldn't feel something, they'll only feel it more stubbornly. And if you're a leader trying to be positive, it comes off even worse because you'll appear out of touch and aloof to the reality that people are experiencing.
The other instinctive approach — confronting someone's negativity with your own negativity — doesn't work because it's additive. Your negative reaction to their negative reaction simply adds fuel to the fire. Negativity breeds negativity.
So how can you turn around negativity?
I discovered the answer when I made Dan's mistake with my wife Eleanor, when she was complaining about our kids fighting. At first I tried to convince her that all kids fight and ours weren't so bad. Then I became frustrated with her complaining and told her as much.
She got angry. Who wouldn't? But then she did something really helpful to me: She told me what she needed from me.
"I don't want to feel that I'm alone in this," she said, "I want to know you understand. I want you to tell me that we're in this together. And if you share my frustrations, I want to know that too."
In fact, I did share her frustrations, but I was trying not to be negative - which, of course, made the whole interaction more negative.
After my conversation with Eleanor, I had a surprising insight: You don't need to change your response. You just need to redirect it.
What Dan had done with his employees is respond negatively against them [["I want to shake them out of their slump") and positively against them [["I told them how much opportunity we had in front of us").
But a much more productive response is to respond negatively with others and positively with them.
Here's what I'm suggesting, translated into a three-step process for effectively turning around negative people:
1. Understand how they feel and validate it. This might be hard because it could feel like you're reinforcing their negative feelings. But you're not. You're not agreeing with them or justifying their negativity. You're simply showing them that you understand how they feel.
2. Find a place to agree with them. You don't have to agree with everything they've said, but, if you can, agree with some of what they're feeling. If you share some of their frustrations, let them know which.
During steps 1 and 2 you are responding negatively with others not against them. This relaxes and opens them. It helps them feel that they are not alone and you are not out of touch.
Instead of telling Eleanor she shouldn't be so negative about our children, I told her that I shared her frustrations about their fighting. That I was also lost about how to deal with it much of the time and that it made me feel helpless — all of which was true. It's not enough to simply say "I understand how you feel." For this to work, you need to be specific.
3. Find out what they are positive about and reinforce it. This doesn't mean trying to convince them to be positive. It means giving attention to whatever positive feelings they do show — and chances are they will have shown some because it's unusual to find people who are purely negative. If they are purely negative, then make sure they see you supporting others who have shown positivity. The idea is to give positive attention to positive feeling. And to offer concrete hope. It's concrete because it's based on actual positive feelings people already have, rather than harping on positive feelings you think they should have.
During step 3 you are responding positively with others, not against them. You are showing them that you support them. And you are showing them that they will be rewarded — with your support and attention — when they do and say things that are positive. During step 3 you are transforming the downward spiral into an upward one.
In my conversation with Eleanor, I asked her what did work to keep the kids playing nicely together. She talked about a previous morning when we directed their attention more proactively by doing an art project with them. It also worked well, she said, when she and I took each kid individually to do an errand or a project.
In less than five minutes, my conversation with Eleanor reversed its course from negative to positive.
These three steps are not easy to do because we have to fight our own highly emotional — and even reasonable — tendency to be negative about people who are complaining.
When I initially spoke with Dan, he was ready to fire some of his team. That would have, of course, simply exacerbated the negativity of those who stayed.
Instead, he started to listen and validate their negative feelings. What he found underneath the complaining was fear. The company had recently experienced lay-offs and the survivors were still shaken. Were their jobs at risk? [[Step 1.)
Dan couldn't say that they weren't — especially since he was ready to fire some of the complainers. But what he did do was listen and tell them that he shared some of their anxiety — not about being fired, but about feeling unsettled with so much to accomplish and fewer people to get the job done. In other words, he was negative with them. [[Step 2.)
Then he highlighted some positive things he noticed on his team — people taking smart risks, working together on complex sales, and partnering successfully with clients — that were helping to grow the company and secure people's jobs. In other words, he was positive with them. [[Step 3.)
Before, he never missed an opportunity to highlight — and criticize — a person's negativity. Now he didn't miss an opportunity to highlight — and praise — a person's positivity.
And it worked. Eventually the mood in the sales group turned and they worked together to bring in the largest client the company had ever won.
As for me? The truth is, it's often easier to teach this stuff than it is to do it. In the heat of the moment, I can still get frustrated with other people's frustrations. But following these three steps has helped tremendously. And having a partner who reminds me of them? That helps even more.
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Jimaz, thank you for your consideration. I am seriously computer disfunctional. Electronic things and I have problems. That is actually not a joke. Electric aura????
Totally know what my computers can do, just don't know how.
Have a friend 67 who plans to buy a laptop and thought we would pitch in together for a computer tutor.