I'm far from a prude, but having porn on your WORK computer is plain stupid. Especially in a school environment.
I'm far from a prude, but having porn on your WORK computer is plain stupid. Especially in a school environment.
Not a very principled principal, eh?
He's a real smart one.
I'm sure GPS can find a qualified candidate to replace him.
That is the most dumbest thing I ever heard.
I don't care if they want to look at that type of stuff, but Im sure they all got Blackberrys and Iphones and it would be just as easy to access it on there using the cellular data plan instead of the schools internet.
What really surprises me is how quick they both where to resign over this. They must have had something on their computers they didn't want everyone to know about and though their resignations would end the case.
The kicker is that the un-principal was involved in dumping a coach for the very same thing:
http://detnews.com/article/20110522/...317/1408/LOCALQuote:
In a statement released Saturday night by the district, Principal Allan Diver and Assistant Principal Brandon Slone were being investigated for violating the "Technology Acceptable Use" policy.
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Two years ago, Diver dealt with the arrest and conviction of his state championship-winning hockey coach, Robert Bopp. The now imprisoned Bopp was accused of state and federal sex assault and child pornography charges for filming sexual acts between a man and an under-aged boy in his Taylor home. He also had secretly video recorded his players in their locker room.
Makes me wonder if he kept some of those locker room videos.
There is absolutely no indication Meddle that the porn Mr. Diver downloaded was of the pedo variety. Maybe this instructional video will help:
If you don't know the difference between the different material, please let us know.
News reports delicately refer to Mr. Divers downloads as "adult and inappropriate" which sounds like pix of adults without their clothes on doing the nasty. Why Mr Diver thought it was a good idea to use the School District internet connection to view these pix on his School District owned laptop, is a head shaker and worthy of disciplinary action.
But firing a guy for looking at boobs? If that is the reason a lot of people should be standing down at the MESC.
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I would have thought any site he would try to visit would be met with the "Access Denied" page but I guess not.Quote:
Originally Posted by trstar
They must have been using some sorta 'proxy' to bypass the blocks. Many companies/ schools block social networking and other inappropriate sites.
And it appears they were not only looking at stuff but 'downloading' the material too. A basic 'history' cache search would have revealed visits to porn - but downloading photos onto a company computer was doubly stupid....Quote:
Originally Posted by Roq
Hmm, if they can still get onto the internet by simply using another proxy setting or a remote connection, then their IT dept. needs some work. Our proxy is configured to deny internet access at ALL unless you use it and you need admin privileges to use remote connects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
Wonder if the school has a rogue wireless or he tethered his phone?
Agree though that in this day and age you should know IT sees everything you're doing online. He should be reprimanded for stupidity alone.
exactly ... using a 'work' computer for ones private hobbies is unwise ... here is an end to a long career over pictures of naked people. Wonder if he would have been fired if he was downloading war movies.
My students told me how to get around the "Access Denied" page. I wanted to show a short Youtube video [[school appropriate, mind you) and was denied. It wasn't until I mentioned my problem to the kids that they told me. I still had to jump through some hoops to actually get the video I wanted to show so downloading porn would not have been easy. I am sure this guy ran into the same issues and knew how to bypass the block.
Now, I do think the guy is just an idiot for looking at porn on a work computer and downloading it puts him into the category of "World's Dumbest...". I don't do anything on my DPS computers [[or my home computer, for that matter...I'm a prude, that I wouldn't want my grandmother to know I was viewing.
I love how the salaciousness has been dialed back since this broke over the weekend.. It went from Top GP school officials FIRED for massive porn stashes downloaded on district computers...still in question whether or not students involved...details at 11. to: these two idiots got caught with some emails that technically violated our policies.Quote:
Grosse Pointe— The principal and assistant principal of Grosse Pointe South High School resigned Saturday after what district officials acknowledge was an investigation into their personal emails with inappropriate adult images.
In a statement released Saturday night by the district, Principal Allan Diver and Assistant Principal Brandon Slone were being investigated for violating the "Technology Acceptable Use" policy.
"We expect staff members, regardless of position, to demonstrate professional conduct in all matters, including use of the computer network," Thomas Harwood, assistant superintendent of Human Resources and Labor Relations, said in the statement released by the district.
"Personal emails of staff members must reflect the values and professional standards of our district as noted in our Acceptable Use policies," Harwood said.
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110522/...#ixzz1NBhRz61f
I get why they got the axe if that was some really 'out there' porn, or there had a truckload of personal emails back and forth, or they had been warned before. Seems like firing..er um resigning...for some "inappropriate emails" is a bit excessive. As with all these things, it would be nice to know the real story.
... and yet they still have the tempermental Ellen Bowen choirmaster [[who nearly ran some kids over with her car) in staff.... all because the GPS student parent groups are smitten by her talent and ability to bring home the trophies.... go figure....
I just heard a report on WWJ. The reporter said that a man at grosse Pointe south yelled at her to go away; that there was no story.
I imagine it would be a story if it was a Detroit low-life principal. They would cluck, cluck.
How funny Grosse Pointe is. They keep all their pathologies out of the public eye. Sweep the kid alcoholism and adult porn under the rug, turn your face and all your lifestyle looks top-notch.
Wait what!?!?! Kids drink alcohol before their 21? It must only happen in Grosse Pointe! We must alert the media posthaste so they can address this shocking anomaly!Quote:
Originally Posted by SWMAP
Word around town is, the President of the GP Shool Board has had it in for Diver since the President, at the insistence of 3 dads, tried to fire the football coach and Diver wouldn't go along with it.
Stay tuned - this story is starting to pick up steam in the GP Schools community.
Sounds about right. makes more sense than the current story.Quote:
Originally Posted by GPCharles
gnome!
LOL! The Internet is for porn! From the Muppets of Sesame Street. I don't think that Children's Television Workshop will approve this song!
It's horibble that the media monsters is turning each people into the sexual aroused maniacs who loves to fornicate with other people. Especially with the principle and V.P. of G.P. South High School. Any more teachers and administrators want to bring out their problems.
WORD FROM THE STREET PROPHET
Anybody esle want to play with themselves? What a porno-nation we live in.
Neda, I miss you so much!
See Danny, even puppets do it. In fact, the reason each one of us is here is because a couple of horn dogs left the Shieks in the wallet.
Don't tell Danny about Bert and Ernie.
pardon my correction but... wouldn't watching porn amount to "fornicating with one's self" as opposed to "fornicate with other people".
Yep. This GP school is caught in a web of it's own smugness and hubris and in this case public embarrassment. They can always say they're at least not as bad as DPS - a few streets over - as the rhetoric would go.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWMAP
Ah, the 'politics' of education - clearly illustrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
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Originally Posted by Zacha341
last I checked grosse pointe schools never claimed to be some sort of parochial moral standard..... you envy is showing.....
Not the schools - but the parents are pretty braggy. It's hard to talk with parents of kids in GP schools. If they aren't talking about how wonderful the school is, they are talking about the square feet of somone's house.
The typical GP home isn't particularly large nor ostentatious. The Pointes have an older housing stock, and relatively few bigfoot McMansions. The waterfront mansions are a tiny proportion of the GP housing stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWMAP
And what parent doesn't brag about their children and their school performance? Sounds like typical parents.
I don't understand why SWMAP is letting all this jealousy pour forth from the keyboard. It has veered well into the pathological in its blind irrationality. All manner of aspersions are being cast on an entire group of communities for what?
For sending naughty emails?
Jesus pal, according to reports the police and the prosecutor found nothing illegal. Not pedo porn, nothing targeting his students, nothing but something that violates the GP code of conduct. For someone with an obvious rabid dislike for a community, and all it stands for, it would logically follow that you'd sing the praises of a man who dared to go against all you hate.
But that is not happening. Why? Do you really hate people looking at boobs that much? Is it the furry parts that enrage you so? What are your motivations to relentlessly attack someone you don't even know and then roll a whole mess of others up into that clutch of loathing.
What is it about adults 'doing it' that has your thong all sideways?
This all was started with a thread that had no link whatsoever.Quote:
I get why they got the axe if that was some really 'out there' porn, or there had a truckload of personal emails back and forth, or they had been warned before. Seems like firing..er um resigning...for some "inappropriate emails" is a bit excessive. As with all these things, it would be nice to know the real story.
And then the experts chimed in:
But gnome andQuote:
What really surprises me is how quick they both where to resign over this.
said it best.Quote:
As with all these things, it would be nice to know the real story.
PS - If these administrators were railroaded on the fact that a "buddy" sent them the wrong email or/to the wrong address then this story is STR8 BS sensationlism and exactly where our society is unfortunately headed. Keep cryin' wolf everyone.
Yikes. C'mon...... at least stay on topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWMAP
I hear that. I made my comment re. this 'specific' GP school.
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Originally Posted by Goose
Wow gnome- I think GP is pretty smug and that's all. It's s little funny to me that their mighty school system has a little bit of sand in the works . I can't imagine that I was pouring out torrents if jealousy in two little posts. Are you by any chance a Grosse Pointer or maybe are you protective of risqué stuff on your work computer. Attacks like this recent one with twisted thong imagery, furry parts, etc. , that are so unwarranted come from somewhere.
They may have a third one in the snare.
To the surprise of some, I have a very liberal streak....
Everyone should be very suspicious of this accusation. Since schools have adopted these 'zero-tolerance' policies, they make some pretty incredible leaps. Students have been suspended for very minor infractions [[toy guns being taken to do a demonstration on gun safety violating no guns policy and the like).
I can't know if this man is guilty or innocent, but I wouldn't rule out over-reaction here.
Say he opened one email from a not-so-close friend. It had pictures of 'boobs' all over it. [[Actually happened to me yesterday -- not at work.) The email program saves a copy. Voila. You've now 'downloaded' porn.
OK, so maybe he's a perv. But leave some room for the possibility of over-reaction.
yipes.. adults need to know boundaries...
To begin, the principal was not "involved in dumping a coach for the very same thing"--by saying that, you're basically saying that everyone who looks at porn is a hardcore pedophile, and that certainly isn't the case.
While I do find it strange that both principal and VP resigned so quickly, I'll also say that it's a strange coincidence that both would make such a dumb choice as to use work computers for porn, and that it's very easy to open a misleading email and, BLAMMO, you've downloaded porn.
As far as Grosse Pointers being "braggy" about the square feet of someone's house--that's a gross generalization that has nothing to do with this story. As far as Grosse Pointers being "braggy" about how wonderful the schools are--they're right, and I'd venture to say anyone with children in the GP schools are proud of the education their kids are receiving.
Just to close the loop on this... as it now seems two men have had their careers ruined by salacious gossip. From todays detnews:
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110601/...#ixzz1O2BSVMePQuote:
Sheriff officials since have determined the images in question were not criminal. Rosati said the police investigation is closed.
"The images were truly of a joking nature and not child pornographic nature," Rosati said.
I guess the lesson here is don't throw a school board's son off the football team. It is amazing how petty small town politics are.
So I guess Betty Boop in a string bikini sitting on the desk would be considered porn.
Grosse Pointe Farms Police and the Macomb County Sheriff's Department officers were enlisted after the company found several images they feared might be "bordering on child pornography," Rosati said.
Sheriff officials since have determined the images in question were not criminal. Rosati said the police investigation is closed.
"The images were truly of a joking nature and not child pornographic nature," Rosati said.
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110601/...#ixzz1O2LEjeeq
Wonder what the images really were that some computer nerd jumped to the conclusion that they were bordering on child pornography. I personally haven't confused the girls of playboy for any toddlers in tiaras.........
The jump from a man viewing a playboy type photo to being a pedofile and having kiddie porn is huge. That IT guy better lawyer up.
The IT guy was probably required to do what he did by policy. That's what you get when you institute zero-tolerance policies. You get zero-discretion as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goose
This is a very important civil-liberties thread here. Enjoying reading it all.
I know about Bert and Ernie. They represent homosexuality. Bert and Ernie actually married back in 1975 during Sesame Street's 6th season. CTW don't want to put Bert and Ernie's wedding photos and events on the show. However the their picture of them is still hanging at their living room apartment. They also sleep together, but in seperate beds to prevent further sexual intercourse and sexual transmitted diseases.Quote:
Originally Posted by East Detroit
WORD FROM THE STREET PROPHET
I grew up on Sesame Street and I see some inappropiate behaviors coming from its characters.
Some are some SHOCK news that your kids don't want to see with their eyes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1R8z...eature=related
Neda, I miss you so.
First part of sentence great.Quote:
The policy says: "Staff members are responsible for good behavior on Board's computers/network and the Internet just as they are in classrooms, school hallways, and other school premises and school sponsored events. … The Board does not sanction any use of the Internet that is not authorized by or conducted strictly in compliance with this policy and its accompanying guidelines."
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110601/...#ixzz1O36fcElQ
Second part absurd. Every use of a computer must be STRICTLY IN COMPLIANCE with policy and guidelines...! So if he checks the weather, to see if his personal softball game is cancelled, or maybe he pays one bill that must be paid on-line before end of day. Whack. Another one falls?
This story stinks to high heaven. If all he had were a few jokes, why would he resign so quickly?
Something doesn't add up.