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My colleague James McKinley reports that the Texas Board of Education voted on Friday “to approve a social studies curriculum that will put a conservative stamp on history and economics textbooks, stressing the role of Christianity in American history and presenting Republican political philosophies in a more positive light.”
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/201...st-could-love/
Christianity played a huge part in our country's history; there is no denying that. Of course, this has changed in recent decades as socialists have tried to replace the supremacy of God with the supremacy of the Government; but before our decline, faith in God was one of the key factors that made us a great country.
In related news:
From Education Week: Is Fox Being 'Fair and Balanced'? Texas Ed. Agency Says NoThe press release lists six FOX inaccuracies after stating "The Fox Network in recent days has repeatedly broadcast highly inaccurate information about the State Board of Education’s efforts to adopt the new social studies curriculum standards."Quote:
Fox News likes to emphasize its commitment to providing "fair and balanced" coverage of the issues, but the Texas Education Agency isn't impressed.
In an unusual action, the state agency issued a press release yesterday accusing Fox of "inaccurately reporting" on the work under way by the state board of education to revise the state's social studies standards.
It offers up a series of quotes and assertions from Fox News followed by "The truth."...
From The Dallas Morning News: Fox News tries to clarify erroneous reports about Texas social studies curriculum debateThis is Fox News admitting that they must "simplify" the news for their particular audience. Oh. Really? :rolleyes:Quote:
After getting ripped by the Texas Education Agency, Fox News on Thursday sought to clarify some of its reports on the state's social studies curriculum debate.
While not apologizing for the reports, Steve Doocy of the morning show Fox & Friends said the network had been "trying to make it simpler" for viewers to understand the process by reporting that the State Board of Education was reviewing new textbooks....
Huh !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Retroit
Its statements like that make me wonder about the state of education in our society.
How about this Retroit.... one of the key factors that made this country great other than the blessings of God , was the
INSTITIONALIZATION OF SLAVERY !!
before we could do that however we had a small problem of what to do with the native people who were already here... however thats neither here or there
The state of education in America is dropping faster than a rock compared to the rest of the world.
We already have a bunch of functionally illiterate high school graduates, now we want functionally illiterate ideologues filled with right wing religious dogma.
I can see it now our best students will use the word socialism over and over again and not have a clue as to what it is.. they won't know because the word would have been reduced to a right wing talking point.
I can see our students open up a econ book and the first words they will see is supply-side economics and right after that they will see the words tax-cuts and then our students will know the reason why the economy works so well for them, even though neither they or there parents can find a job.
The students can then go to social studies class and learn Republican political philosophies such as " starve the beast" and the "two santa claus theory" and know that our country is much better off because of those philosophies.
Lets just ignore data... lets ignore established historically truths the only thing that matters is the dogma
The Texas Board of Education and Fox news takes K-I-S-S to a whole new level.
The USA didn't institutionalize slavery. That occurred long before 1776. You are undoubtedly aware that slavery began in Africa and still exists there and that most slaves brought to America were captured and sold into slavery by black Africans.Quote:
Originally Posted by firstandten
Yes, the USA did benefit financially from slavery, but what relevance does this have to the topic at hand. Slavery wasn't "institutionalized" based on Christian or Republican principles. In fact, it was on Christian and Republican principles that slavery was abolished. Also, many slaves were Christians and most early black politicians were Republican, so I'm mystified by your analogy.
I don't think that the European settlers would have been any less harsh had they not been Christians. It was more of a clash of cultures and the unlikelihood of the two ways of life co-existing in close proximity. I would suggest reading some of the first-hand accounts of those who lived in proximity to Native Americans.Quote:
before we could do that however we had a small problem of what to do with the native people who were already here...
Why no despair over the denigration that Capitalism has received? Liberals think that all our ecomonic problems can be blamed on capitalism when in fact it is socialism that is too blame.Quote:
I can see it now our best students will use the word socialism over and over again and not have a clue as to what it is.. they won't know because the word would have been reduced to a right wing talking point.
Why no despair over the lack of jobs despite trillions of dollars of government spending? Would demand-side economics followed by tax increases produce more jobs?Quote:
I can see our students open up a econ book and the first words they will see is supply-side economics and right after that they will see the words tax-cuts and then our students will know the reason why the economy works so well for them, even though neither they or there parents can find a job.
Future generations will not have to resort to the study of theories to understand the higher taxes they will be burdened paying. That tax burden is the result of the government spending too much. While both parties are to blame, I think by comparison, Democrats are bigger spenders.Quote:
The students can then go to social studies class and learn Republican political philosophies such as " starve the beast" and the "two santa claus theory" and know that our country is much better off because of those philosophies.
Let's not. :)Quote:
Lets just ignore data... lets ignore established historically truths the only thing that matters is the dogma.
having just been in Texas I fell out of my chair in the discussions of how this will improve our country etc...free market and Reaganomics kept coming up ....there is a minimizing of latino history in Texas no less.....see what happens when the "party" is in control....it is a redneck reggae going on in Texas...
Faux News definitely knows their audience. Both Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck joke about it every night [[many Faux News viewers really think Glenn is a professor just because he uses a chalkboard) This all stems back to The Simpsons controversy years ago when the heads of FOX demanded they no longer joke about or parody Fox News [[or they'll pull The Simpsons off the air) because their viewers may "confuse" it with the actual News Channel. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimaz
I thought US text books were already dumbed down.
Fred Reed is an opinionated American writer and expatriot who lives in Mexico with his Mexican wife and her daughter Natalia. He wrote this article about his 8th grade step-daughter's textbooks and includes snippits from those texts.
Eighth Grade in Mexico
exerpt -
It will be said, correctly, that the cities of America are populated by extensive underclasses of blacks and Hispanics. True enough. However, they are still American kids [[now or soon to be) who are learning nothing. Natalia would eat them alive. I have some familiarity with the suburban, mostly white schools of Arlington County, Virginia, just outside of Washington, because my daughters went to them. At least one of these schools served populations living in very pricey neighborhoods.
The girls came home with misspelled handouts from affirmative-action science teachers, and they learned about Harriet Tubman and oppression. Of the sciences they learned very little. I knew bright kids who had trouble with the multiplication tables. Yes, there are schools and schools, some better than others, and advanced-placement and such. I do not suggest that Mexico has a great school system, because it doesn’t. Yet Natalia, in her particular school, is better off than she would be in Washington, heaven knows, or the Virginia suburbs. Ain’t that something?
Fred also has an article about his wife Violeta's education growing up in poverty in Mexico. He honors her and her upbringing. This is not totally relevant to this thread but taking Mexican history out of Texan history has been brought up. Fred explains a bit of how kids are taught on the other side of the border. http://www.fredoneverything.net/Poverty.shtml
Retroit, you take an original and rooted position. What you state is not always done so in such concise manner, let alone publicly [[i.e. mixed company). Certainly, a few texts would both support and contradict your assertions. It is helpful to hear "regular" people openly articulate such views, whether I agree or not. Initiates dialog.
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Originally Posted by Retroit
The USA didn't institutionalize slavery. That occurred long before 1776. You are undoubtedly aware that slavery began in Africa and still exists there and that most slaves brought to America were captured and sold into slavery by black Africans.Quote:
Originally Posted by firstandten
Yes, the USA did benefit financially from slavery, but what relevance does this have to the topic at hand. Slavery wasn't "institutionalized" based on Christian or Republican principles. In fact, it was on Christian and Republican principles that slavery was abolished. Also, many slaves were Christians and most early black politicians were Republican, so I'm mystified by your analogy.
I don't think that the European settlers would have been any less harsh had they not been Christians. It was more of a clash of cultures and the unlikelihood of the two ways of life co-existing in close proximity. I would suggest reading some of the first-hand accounts of those who lived in proximity to Native Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by firstandten
Why no despair over the denigration that Capitalism has received? Liberals think that all our ecomonic problems can be blamed on capitalism when in fact it is socialism that is too blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by firstandten
Why no despair over the lack of jobs despite trillions of dollars of government spending? Would demand-side economics followed by tax increases produce more jobs?Quote:
Originally Posted by firstandten
Future generations will not have to resort to the study of theories to understand the higher taxes they will be burdened paying. That tax burden is the result of the government spending too much. While both parties are to blame, I think by comparison, Democrats are bigger spenders.Quote:
Originally Posted by firstandten
Let's not. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by firstandten
Love the tags on this thread.
Quote: "Christianity played a huge part in our country's history;"
Keyword: played. This nation will fail without God. Hide and watch..
Christianity did play a huge part in our history...we only see the parts that we want to see...not the everyday actions of good people who follow their religious beliefs...and paractice what they preach..yes it [[religion) has bad as well as good things....but it is the practice by regular people of compassion and who are good that happen to be Christian, Jewish, Muslim or Athiest that go unrecognized...a few bad doesn't spoil it but it sure makes head lines..
Republicans in those days have NO resemblance to modern republicans, and haven't since teddy roosevelt became a bull moose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retroit
and what "christian" principles are you talking about? probably Quaker in origin. Old and New Testament alike support slavery and monarchy
got any recommendations? the French relationship with Indians was much better than the Spanish or British/US. and no, in our case it was greed, not religion. in the spanish case it was both.Quote:
I don't think that the European settlers would have been any less harsh had they not been Christians. It was more of a clash of cultures and the unlikelihood of the two ways of life co-existing in close proximity. I would suggest reading some of the first-hand accounts of those who lived in proximity to Native Americans.
you are wrong on both counts. liberals blame multinational corporatism, and, in fact, it IS that that is to blameQuote:
Why no despair over the denigration that Capitalism has received? Liberals think that all our ecomonic problems can be blamed on capitalism when in fact it is socialism that is too blame.
here, you simply have virtually all of your facts wrong. and yes, demand-side economics creates a FAR more vibrant economy [[more money in many hands vs. few hands. simple logic, that.)Quote:
Why no despair over the lack of jobs despite trillions of dollars of government spending? Would demand-side economics followed by tax increases produce more jobs?
again, any close look at history proves you wrong. spending increased more under Nixon than Johnson, Reagan and Bush than Carter, Bush than Clinton. Deficits are even more clearly higher under republicansQuote:
Future generations will not have to resort to the study of theories to understand the higher taxes they will be burdened paying. That tax burden is the result of the government spending too much. While both parties are to blame, I think by comparison, Democrats are bigger spenders.
Even though I thought rb336 did an excellent job in responding to your post, I just wanted to double down on some of his comments to you.
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Originally Posted by Retroit
I am very aware that slavery did not began in the United States. Slavery is as old as mankind itself. However and this was discussed in previous threads and I really don't want to spend a lot of time on it because its OT to this thread. But the US had a form of slavery called chattel slavery which was a legal institution. Black codes and Jim Crow laws after slavery reinforced segregation. I also said that yes black Africans sold other black Africans into slavery but chattel slavery was a concept they were not familar with. There has been documented instances that once word got back to some of the African tribes that this type of slavery was being practiced they refused to co-operate any longer with the slave traders
So when you say Christanity is one of the things that made our country great, while not untrue that is a galling statement to me. How could good Christian people condone one of the most inhumane practices of our time. I could make the argument that our country's is great because of slaves providing the labor that basically built our infrastructure and created our wealth.
Its really doesn't but what a self-rightous statement you put out there about christianity could not go unchallenged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retroit
I could also make an argument that it was as much a economic reality that slavery needed to be abolished as Christian principles. Again an understanding of history is in order here. Many of the slaves were christian because whatever they believed in was taken from them when they were enslaved and christianity was forced upon them. As rb said very well the republican party now ain't the party of Lincoln. as hasn't been since blacks flocked to the Dems under FDR
News flash ! The settlers tried to enslave the Native Americans first but they were deemed unsuitable for slavery because too many of them died. A dead slave is not profitableQuote:
Originally Posted by Retroit
I know my friend Oladub would disagree but capitalism without controls is too blame for many of our economic problems. But that doesn't mean socialism is too blame, for what ? How ? Thats what I mean about dumbing down textbooks with right wing rhetoric. If you put these words out there... Socialism, Communism and Facism. I bet the dumbed down readers of these books would use those words interchangablity when in fact those concepts are very different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retroit
Yes, I'm in despair about a lack of jobs, but whose policies for the most part caused this to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retroit
What do you base that on. How many times do the liberals on this board have to tell you that when you cut taxes [[revenue the gov't gets) and you increase spending thru wars, entitlements, pork etc you will run deficits. This is what the Repubs have done since Reagan so unless you know for a fact that Dems are bigger spenders you should be challenged on that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retroit
You're damn skippy religious faith played a large role in our country's history. The following colonies were founded based on religious freedom and avoiding persecution, i.e. having someone else's faith rammed down their throats:Quote:
Originally Posted by Retroit
Connecticut: Individuals from the Massachusetts colony moved to what would become Connecticut because they were looking for more freedom [[see below) and financial opportunities.
Maryland: Lord Baltimore was motivated both by the desire for profit and the desire to create a refuge for Roman Catholics who were still being persecuted in Protestant England.
Massachusetts: Separatists in England fled to Holland in 1608 and then decided to find refuge in America where they could create a home for themselves in the Massachusetts Colony.
New Jersey: In 1664, James, the Duke of York, received control of New Netherland. He granted land to two of his friends, Lord Berkeley and Sir George Carteret, that would become New Jersey. The two advertised and promised settlers many benefits for colonizing including representative government and freedom of religion.
Pennsylvania: William Penn founded Pennsylvania with a land grant that was owed his deceased Father. His goal was to create a colony that allowed for freedom of religion due to his desire to protect himself and fellow Quakers from persecution.
Rhode Island: Roger Williams was banished to England by the Massachusetts Bay Colony for his beliefs in separation of church and state and freedom of religion. He fled and lived with the Narragansett Indians and formed Providence in 1636.
http://americanhistory.about.com/lib...colonial13.htm
Quotes: "i.e. having someone else's faith rammed down their throats:"
Nahh, people weren't self-serving jerks like they are nowadays.. They believed and couldn't fathom a person that didn't. Believing or not was not an issue, just how one believed was the case.
Over on the Mugabecare thread, your are citing magical numbers [["all you have to do is believe" -BO) to justify a corporatist health care plan which is the polite term for economic facism. Indeed, it is a good example of capitalism with controls - hiring 16,500 extra health care workers at the IRS, for starters, to deal with the extra paperwork. I do hope that the new text books will accurately portray both the Democrat and Republican parties as being corporatist promoting entities but doubt it. I am all for certain socialist programs, especially at the local level, like schools, roads, and public libraries when they are proven to be the cheapest way of delivering such services to everyone. I even would support states adopting Ontario's provincial health care plan lock, stock, and barrel because it would reduce per capita costs by 40% and even reduce what governments are now spending, pre-Mugabecare, in the US. Even from a capitalist or small government viewpoint, the reduction of government spending in such a system would result in more private capital available for other things and less government. Unfortunately, you and Democrats are substituting this corporatist, not socialist, monstrosity at the federal level.Quote:
firstandten wrote, "I know my friend Oladub would disagree but capitalism without controls is too blame for many of our economic problems. But that doesn't mean socialism is too blame, for what ? How ? Thats what I mean about dumbing down textbooks with right wing rhetoric. If you put these words out there... Socialism, Communism and Facism. I bet the dumbed down readers of these books would use those words interchangablity when in fact those concepts are very different."
Yeah, Christianity was also important in manifest destiny... You know, that thing that gave us carte blanch to massacre millions of native Americans...Quote:
Originally Posted by gibran
And you don't think Southern evangelicals have a tendency to dismiss Catholicism, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Atheism, or any other set of beliefs that conflicts with their own?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sstashmoo
first, "mugabecare"???? how exactly does this relate to Zimbabwe and mugabe, other than, of course, the color of Obama's skin?Quote:
Originally Posted by oladub
second, where does that "hiring 16,500 extra..." come from? source, please
no, they won't. Why? who owns the major Text book companies?Quote:
I do hope that the new text books will accurately portray both the Democrat and Republican parties as being corporatist promoting entities but doubt it.
ok, I am surprised by that commentQuote:
I even would support states adopting Ontario's provincial health care plan lock, stock, and barrel because it would reduce per capita costs by 40% and even reduce what governments are now spending
the terms are not interchangeable in any way, shape or formQuote:
Even from a capitalist or small government viewpoint.
Don't forget that President Obama is half white. Maybe it's his white genes that are responsible for errors in judgement. You didn't like this corporatist nightmare being called Obamacare and I opined on the other thread that this health care scheme will probably do to for US heath care what Mugabe did for Zimbabwe's agriculture.Quote:
rb: "first, "mugabecare"???? how exactly does this relate to Zimbabwe and mugabe, other than, of course, the color of Obama's skin?"
second, where does that "hiring 16,500 extra..." come from? source, please
"Republican members of the House Ways and Means Committee, a panel that oversees taxes and health issues, also charged that IRS audits will likely increase if health care legislation is passed. They added the IRS will require up to $10 billion to administer the new program. They also claimed the IRS may need to hire 16,500 additional employees. " -WSJ I'll guess that the Republican numbers are high but with the added responsibility of determining if everyone's insurance policy meets government requirements, more employees will be required to administer health care.
"The IRS says that the new health care plan will mean additional taxes and penalties. This will require 16,000 new IRS employees in the department. They will include workers to enforce the regulations and collect fees as well as additional agents and auditors. The IRS will be given the authority, according to the Republicans report, to fine a person up to $2500, or two per cent of their income, whichever is great, if the person cannot prove they have purchased a minimum essential health care coverage."" The IRS says that the new health care plan will mean additional taxes and penalties.""According to the newly released document, prepared by the Republicans, the IRS can confiscate a tax refund. Additionally, they suggest that the number of audits conducted each year will increase. During this decade they say the IRS will need additional funding of $10 billion just to administer the new health care program."-America's News Online
My guess is that the 16,500 figure will be more accurate than the $1.2T of deficit savings that Democrats say Mugabecare will produce over the next ten years. We will see.
Texas dumbs down textbooks
You mean they can actually dumb down public school textbooks more than they already are now?
I suppose you think that your god beat the native Americans' gods. And where was your god during the Depression? What did the 11 million who died in the nazi death camps do to bring down the wrath of your god? Maybe your god is really a communist and FDR was his gift to the U.S.. Anyone can play the superstition game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sstashmoo
The suburban high schools I go to appear to have gotten away from textbooks to a large extent. They use xeroxed copies of articles and works. That gives me hope when I read about the latest crap coming out of the Texas textbook committee.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsmith
Quote: "Anyone can play the superstition game."
But it takes more than an idiot to think past their nose.
Why not answer my questions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sstashmoo
What is Mugabecare?
It's the new racist nickname for the health care bill about to be passed.
I appreciate that these tea party folks don't have a problem showing what kind of people they really are.
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Originally Posted by oldredfordette
Quote: "Why not answer my questions?"
OK
Quote: "I suppose you think that your god beat the native Americans' gods."
No, I think men commit horrific acts in the name of God. You are confusing the two.
Quote: "And where was your god during the Depression?"
Giving many believers the strength to persevere and carry themselves through difficult times created by man.
Quote: "What did the 11 million who died in the nazi death camps do to bring down the wrath of your god?"
Another horrific act committed by man..
Try thinking on a bit larger scale.
What is Mugabecare?
Don't be so hard on Oludub, its just the libertarianism in him coming out. Its racist if you see it from a teabaggerQuote:
Originally Posted by oldredfordette
Already answered this. See first paragraph post # 21.Quote:
Originally Posted by ejames01
Quote: "And where was your god during the Depression?"
Giving many believers the strength to persevere and carry themselves through difficult times created by man.
maxx: Except that the Bible talks mostly about all the joy and justice you'll see once you're dead, not about living.
Quote: "not about living."
180 out..
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second, where does that "hiring 16,500 extra..." come from? source, please
ahh, yes. I keep forgetting you believe crap spewed by people whose every word on this issue has been shown to be a lie, printed in a faux news rag, and on undocumented crap posted by a right-wing extremist web site [[America's News Online)?Quote:
Originally Posted by oladub
If the IRS hires more people, it's government waste to conservatives. If the prison system hires more people, it's business growth.Quote:
Originally Posted by rb336
RE: the new textbooks
Are the people who cut Thomas Jefferson's section down the same people who were complaining a while back that there wasn't enough information about the Founding Fathers and too much about minorities in history textbooks?
OK, on a larger scale:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sstashmoo
1. Why did your God decide to ravage Haiti with earthquakes?
2. Why did your god allow AIDs, smallpox, malaria, etc to come into existence?
3. Why does your god allows floods, droughts, faminine?
Going by this link [[http://across.co.nz/WorldsWorstDisasters.html) it looks like your god has soem 'splainin to do.
Once again, rb336 posts his/her personal opinion and includes absolutely nothing to back up his/her argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by rb336
Quote: "1. Why did your God [[etc)."
You'd really have to ask him..
I wonder these same questions, and always fall back on this analogy:
It's like taking one piece from a jigsaw puzzle and trying to analyze it and explain it. Without seeing it in it's proper place and alignment, it makes no sense whatsoever. Some idiots try to claim, because this or that place or person was in high concentration of sin or sinners. I don't believe that. I simply answer "I don't know".
I realize these questions were not asked to me, but I'd like to take a stab at them:Quote:
Originally Posted by jt1
The reason God created earthquakes, floods, droughts, etc. is because without a dynamic planet, life on earth would not exist. And without viruses, famines, accidents, etc. people would live forever and that would create a planet overcrowded with very old people, no?
just to refresh your memory, I asked for a source for a certain item. I did not get a source other than a "republicans say this" sort of thing. I had nothing to "back up" except that i want reliable sources, not political thuggeryQuote:
Originally Posted by johnsmith
"Thuggery"? Oh please.... :)
Great impersonation: Jay Leno interviews Bush two days after the Obama inauguration
[QUOTE]Yes, that is pretty consistent with african-americans' tendency to self destruct to this day. Early americans didnt have to invent slavery, they just improved on it, made it more profitable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retroit
Yes, financial benefits of slavery should not be discussed. Yes, the principle you refer to was a long, extremely bloody drawn out war that managed to destroy and mangle a lot of christian folk; of all colors and all stripes.Quote:
Yes, the USA did benefit financially from slavery, but what relevance does this have to the topic at hand. Slavery wasn't "institutionalized" based on Christian or Republican principles. In fact, it was on Christian and Republican principles that slavery was abolished. Also, many slaves were Christians and most early black politicians were Republican, so I'm mystified by your analogy.
Yes, it confirms my suspicion about you Retroit; a clash of cultures and the unlikelihood of the two ways of life co-existing in close proximity is something you try hard to live up to. It doesnt matter how far removed in time, said accounts of colonials are, they are still relevant to you.Quote:
I don't think that the European settlers would have been any less harsh had they not been Christians. It was more of a clash of cultures and the unlikelihood of the two ways of life co-existing in close proximity. I would suggest reading some of the first-hand accounts of those who lived in proximity to Native Americans.
Europeans were settlers, Native americans were... incompatible with an industrious, competitive, christian folk. Keep on reading the Holy Bible, it's a living thing...
Right, I cant find a single thing capitalism has done to generate such discomfort in the world.Quote:
Why no despair over the denigration that Capitalism has received? Liberals think that all our ecomonic problems can be blamed on capitalism when in fact it is socialism that is too blame.
Think of all the middlemen in communist China now making a mint? Surely you cant be against that kind of communism. Walmart is pretty happy with the tight commie ship that China is running. Plenty of jobs in China for anyone ready to pull up their sleeves. There are more billionaires made in China than you can shake a stick at. And the world needs more billionaires.Quote:
Why no despair over the lack of jobs despite trillions of dollars of government spending? Would demand-side economics followed by tax increases produce more jobs?
And you cant argue with Walmart's success now can you?
Yes, how about another invasion somewhere? There were plenty of opportunities for some top republicans to recoup whatever the government has spent on the war in Iraq; albeit on a personal basis!?Quote:
Future generations will not have to resort to the study of theories to understand the higher taxes they will be burdened paying. That tax burden is the result of the government spending too much. While both parties are to blame, I think by comparison, Democrats are bigger spenders.
ghetto P: You're damn skippy religious faith played a large role in our country's history. The following colonies were founded based on religious freedom and avoiding persecution, i.e. having someone else's faith rammed down their throats:
maxx: And it certainly didn't mean that any of these colonies were particularly tolerant towards other religions -- with the exception of Pennsylvania.
http://www.timepage.org/cyc/gen/religious.html
[[1646) Massachusetts institutes the death penalty for heresy
[[1656) Massachusetts continue practice of religious intolerance by beating, imprisoning and banishing Quakers, all woman jury acquits woman charged with abortion in Maryland
[[1657) Following Massachusetts' lead several colonies mistreat and banish Quakers
http://colonial-america.suite101.com...nd_intolerance
In the more egalitarian Virginia, an offender missing three consecutive Sundays in church could be put to death in the early days of the colony. New England Puritans, long viewed as a persecuted group in England, were the least tolerant of other faiths. In most of the thirteen colonies, Catholics and Jews were considered persona non grata.
Quakers were not welcome in Massachusetts and well into the 19th-century, New Englanders annually burned an effigy of the pope.Intolerance became a part of American religious tradition among the older, established churches. The Great Awakening of the early 18th Century, for example, was vigorously opposed in Virginia. In 1704 a Maryland law made it illegal for a Catholic priest to say mass.
What are the chances that any of this will make it into U.S. history books?
But what does he have against Haiti? And the distribution of both viruses and natural immunity to diseases is pretty random. So your god appears at best disinterested in human suffering and at worst "he's" a capricious thug. The Catholic Church has not tried to explain this peculiar behavior of the deity to my knowledge. Instead they declared suffering a positive thing that meant less time suffering in the afterlife. In the past 50 years they appear to have downplayed their love affair with suffering, even softening the Lenten fasting and the meatless Friday requirements to keep the "faithful" happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retroit
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Originally Posted by maxx
Slim for the rest of the country..... None for Texas ......OH WAIT !! Slim just walked out the room !!!
maxx, Just a historical footnote. The two colonies you mentioned were the two Anglican [[Church of England) colonies. The Puritans [[Congregationalists) were pretty crotchety amongst themselves but aside from that, we don't hear much about burning witches and so forth from Mary Land [[Catholic) and the other colonies. Freedom of the Press was alive and well in Penn's Quaker colony. The Indians never attacked Quaker settlers either because they always negotiated fair settlements. Where else could colonists meet in public to draw up a declaration against the King in broad daylight?
Originally Posted by Retroit http://detroityes.com/mb/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
The USA didn't institutionalize slavery. That occurred long before 1776. You are undoubtedly aware that slavery began in Africa and still exists there and that most slaves brought to America were captured and sold into slavery by black Africans.
maxx: In an African history class I took at MSU, the prof. said that slavery in western Africa was more like indenture. It wasn't forever and it wasn't brutal. So the Africans who sold Africans as slaves had a different idea of slavery.
http://www.traditioninaction.org/His..._Colonies.html
"... Few Catholics realize that in all but three of the 13 original colonies, Catholics were the subject of penal measures of one kind or another during the colonial period. In most cases, the Catholic Church had been proscribed at an early date, as in Virginia where the act of 1642 proscribing Catholics and their priests set the tone for the remainder of the colonial period.
Even in the supposedly tolerant Maryland, the tables had turned against Catholics by the 1700s. By this time the penal code against Catholics included test oaths administered to keep Catholics out of office, legislation that barred Catholics from entering certain professions [[such as Law), and measures had been enacted to make them incapable of inheriting or purchasing land. By 1718 the ballot had been denied to Catholics in Maryland, following the example of the other colonies, and parents could even be fined for sending children abroad to be educated as Catholics. .."
Quote: "the prof. said that slavery in western Africa was more like indenture. It wasn't forever and it wasn't brutal."
It was just short term slavery which is ok?
http://www.forthoodsentinel.com/story.php?id=2944
Talks about putting Mary Kay Ash in the books as some sort of Henry Ford-esque figure. Heh, maybe in Texas but not on most other states.
Mary Kay, Amway, Avon et al, nothing but slick homogenized pyramid schemes.
From today's Free Press: Roosevelts down, McCarthy up as conservatives spin history to rightThis shameless historic revisionism demonstrates that their only remaining tool is deception. They've squandered the last of their integrity on this and they just don't care about the consequences.Quote:
The right is rewriting history.
The most ballyhooed effort is in Texas, where conservatives have pushed the state school board to rewrite guidelines, downplaying Thomas Jefferson, playing up conservatives and challenging the idea that the Founding Fathers wanted to separate church and state....
The Jamestown settlers? Socialists. Founding Father Alexander Hamilton? Liberal professors made up all that bunk about him advocating a strong central government....
"He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future." -- George Orwell
"History is a myth men have agreed upon."
— Napoleon Bonaparte [[The Military Maxims of Napoleon)
Evidently it was to the Africans who sold other Africans to the American slave trade. Or maybe they were just interested in the money or whatever they got from the trade and didn't give a hoot what happened to the people they sold. Is there still slavery in the African muslim states?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sstashmoo
There aren't many school districts that can afford textbooks anyway. Not buying rightwing history texts sounds like a good way to save money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimaz
Africans that were sold into slavery did not know the difference between slavery and indentured servitude, nor did they care. The believed that they were going to be killed and then, most likely, eaten as this is what they would have expected had they not been subsequently sold into slavery.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxx
We often forget when talking about races, whether they be black Africans, American Indians, or white Europeans, that the greatest atrocities committed within each race were committed by members within each race. The cruelty exhibited by white Europeans against white Europeans [[WWII, WWI, etc.) far outdid any cruelty to the African slaves they bought. In fact, they had every interest in protecting those slaves because to lose them would have been a financial loss.
And, yes, there still is slavery in African Muslim states. Ever hear of Sudan? http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Sudan.htm and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Sudan
where do you come up with this shit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Retroit