Michigan GOP releases ad bashing Detroit.

LB Patterson requests it to be removed from the airwaves. GOP refuses:

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Matt Frendeway, Michigan Republican Party spokesman, said the party does not consult with candidates before running ads and feels strongly the ad should continue its run on cable TV.

"It's factual and we think it's an important message to convey to voters — that you have Oakland County, where things are going well under Republican leadership," Frendeway said.


As for objections from candidates being promoted in ads, "We respect that and appreciate their thoughts, and at the end of the day we remain independent, and we will continue to be," Frendeway said.


The 34-second TV piece says Detroit is "a place known for outrageous spending and crushing debt, for blight and decay, corruption and incompetence. That's hard on business and terrible for jobs."


It shows multiple images of decrepit buildings around the city and footage of former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick being escorted out of police cars and courtrooms during his criminal trials.


Then it dovetails into the merits of Oakland County and its AAA bond rating, saying: "We do things differently … we are open for business and always creating jobs."

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From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz28qGSCHal

Is anyone really shocked about this ad? It's affirming a message regularly spoken outloud by many mi residents.

Maybe one day the political consulting hacks will tell us something we haven't heard yet. But I won't hold my breath.

Only the Michigan GOP would be brilliant enough to dis the state's major city right in its own market. What's next from these guys? A bombing campaign?

Oh no, think of all the Detroit votes the GOP will lose now!

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Originally Posted by Det_ard

Oh no, think of all the Detroit votes the GOP will lose now!

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No, I think of the businessperson staying at a hotel going over a deal he's going to seal tomorrow morning, looking at this kind of infighting, and considering doing his business anywhere but in metro Detroit next time.

Maybe we should focus our outrage on the fact that our city is F-ed up as opposed to being outraged that people have noticed.

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Originally Posted by Det_ard

Oh no, think of all the Detroit votes the GOP will lose now!

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I don't think the GOP was counting on any votes from Detroit.

Cutting off your nose to spite your face and shitting where you eat.

WHY do this

Why go this route?


I can't wait to move to Chicago.

These people are too idiotic to understand that doing this makes them look bad too.

You know your party has gone totally off the rails when L. Brooks freaking Patterson is your voice of moderation.

Wait a second.

Hold the phone.

Do not pass go.

I just read some of the comments in the news about the idiot behind this ad.

PLEASE somebody confirm this cocksucker owns delapidated property in the city!!!

Pretty please.

It'd be Christmas, my birthday, and cherry popping day all wrapped up at once!

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Originally Posted by brizee

Wait a second.

Hold the phone.

Do not pass go.

I just read some of the comments in the news about the idiot behind this ad.

PLEASE somebody confirm this cocksucker owns delapidated property in the city!!!

Pretty please.

It'd be Christmas, my birthday, and cherry popping day all wrapped up at once!

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Don't give us cocksuckers a bad name by associating us with him.

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Originally Posted by Detroitnerd

Only the Michigan GOP would be brilliant enough to dis the state's major city right in its own market. What's next from these guys? A bombing campaign?

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I see the circular firing squad has been re-inacted. It'll be a real knee-slapper when Romney has to spend his next years doing something besides running for Pres, when Obama gets re-elected.

Man, how funny would it be if Oakland County looses it's AAA rating because of this? Think about it the state's executive and legislative branches of government are republican controlled and the Michigan GOP are using the city as their political punching bag. What if the credit agencies decide that the GOP have given up on working with the city, and because of this downgrade Oakland bond rating on the assumption that they are going to let the city go broke. I know that this is extremely unlikely but who knows these days?

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Originally Posted by thirteen_mile

Man, how funny would it be if Oakland County looses it's AAA rating because of this? Think about it the state's executive and legislative branches of government are republican controlled and the Michigan GOP are using the city as their political punching bag. What if the credit agencies decide that the GOP have given up on working with the city, and because of this downgrade Oakland bond rating on the assumption that they are going to let the city go broke. I know that this is extremely unlikely but who knows these days?

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Actually, that's the ONLY reason LBP all of a sudden gives a fuck about Detroit. It has finally clicked in his head that as Detroit goes, so does the region.

10 years ago, LBP wanted NOTHING to do with Detroit.

That was my first thought too, i remember back in 08 or 09 when he first learned that if Detroit went belly up he would loose his AAA rating how is whole outlook on the city suddenly changed.

I wonder if the reason why he wants this ad taken down is that he's nervous that if Detroit becomes a tea party hot-button issue than the creditors may start reevaluating Oakland's AAA rating?

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Originally Posted by thirteen_mile

That was my first thought too, i remember back in 08 or 09 when he first learned that if Detroit went belly up he would loose his AAA rating how is whole outlook on the city suddenly changed.

I wonder if the reason why he wants this ad taken down is that he's nervous that if Detroit becomes a tea party hot-button issue than the creditors may start reevaluating Oakland's AAA rating?

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That about what I imagine is going through LBP's head.

The poor guy broke into tears when he discovered that Krystal Crittendon could possibly derail the FSA [[which would have put Detroit on a fast track to its inevitable Chapter 9 Bankruptcy filing).

There may be one or two repub votes in varied areas of a given ballot even in the D! I've worked at the elections centers and have handled a few 'spoiled' ballots due to people trying to vote both dem and repub in areas on the ballot where you cannot mix the two - such as in the primaries.

We had to issue a new ballot in those cases, so I know more people are not doing the default straight dem option.

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Originally Posted by MidTownMs

I don't think the GOP was counting on any votes from Detroit.

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Originally Posted by brizee

Wait a second.

Hold the phone.

Do not pass go.

I just read some of the comments in the news about the idiot behind this ad.

PLEASE somebody confirm this cocksucker owns delapidated property in the city!!!

Pretty please.

It'd be Christmas, my birthday, and cherry popping day all wrapped up at once!

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Are you referring to Schostak? I know him personally, and I seriously doubt he owns dilapidated properties in the city [[or in any city, for that matter). Their investment focus generally doesn't really fit with urban anything.

And, while I wouldn't run the ad, because it's divisive, it's also 100% true.

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Originally Posted by brizee

Cutting off your nose to spite your face and shitting where you eat.

WHY do this

Why go this route?


I can't wait to move to Chicago.

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tell me bout it

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Originally Posted by Bham1982

And, while I wouldn't run the ad, because it's divisive, it's also 100% true.

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Is it?

The Packard Plant, which was shown in the ad as an example of Democrats mismanaging Detroit, closed in 1957. Detroit had two Republican mayors in 1957, Albert Cobo, who died in office, and Louis Miriani who replaced him and remained in office for 4 and a half years.

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Originally Posted by Bham1982

And, while I wouldn't run the ad, because it's divisive, it's also 100% true.

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It's amazing that anyone can seriously believe that Detroit spends "outrageously." Every service has been cut for years--our parks department budget is probably less than many suburban county towns with a fraction of the population. Firehouses are understaffed when they're not closed completely. If you really think Detroit is "overspending" you are totally delusional.

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Originally Posted by Melocoton

It's amazing that anyone can seriously believe that Detroit spends "outrageously." Every service has been cut for years--our parks department budget is probably less than many suburban county towns with a fraction of the population. Firehouses are understaffed when they're not closed completely. If you really think Detroit is "overspending" you are totally delusional.

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Really? You wonder where anyone would get the idea that Detroit overspends?

http://www.policemag.com/videos/chan...olice-car.aspx

http://www.freep.com/article/2012080...epartment-rate

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...ETRO/104220381

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Originally Posted by detmsp

Really? You wonder where anyone would get the idea that Detroit overspends?

http://www.policemag.com/videos/chan...olice-car.aspx

http://www.freep.com/article/2012080...epartment-rate

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...ETRO/104220381

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Throwing up three links doesn't prove anything, of course. The links above are all about

1) layoffs in a Detroit municipal agency, which strikes me as an example of budget cutting, not "overspending";

2) renovations of one Detroit agency, the library, which some people criticized [[wrongly, in my view) precisely because it came at a time when the library system's budget was being slashed overall; and

3) some cherry-picked example of one expensive car in the Detroit Police Department, which by itself does not contradict the fact that the DPD is underfunded and understaffed.

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Originally Posted by Melocoton

If you really think Detroit is "overspending" you are totally delusional.

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Well then call me totally delusional, because there is waste all over the place in Detroit.

City managers have luxury cars for their free personal use, there are entire departments of limited utility, and there's no shortage of tax dollars spent on questionable "economic development".

Yes, the city overall has little money, and many day-to-day functions are starved to the bone, but there is a ton of waste in pretty broad sectors of city government.

This is in contrast to Oakland County, which, despite its wealth and prosperity, has cut personnel costs much faster than either Detroit or Wayne County. Both Detroit and [[especially) Wayne have a ridiculous amount of questionable spending.

I only wish my city government were as well run as the county government.

A godforsaken hellhole of undying hatred, divisiveness, the uneducated, the bigoted; endless sprawl and decaying cities. That's pure Michissippi.

Then the assholes who made, supported, or agree with this video suddenly are "from Detroit" when they go on vacation or the Tigers win.

You can keep your glorious Oakland County, along with your retarded slap-happy youtube videos that get pulled for copyright infringement. Get me the fuck out of here.

"If you really think Detroit is "overspending" you are totally delusional."

No offense man, but you really need to read a few more articles.

I will never vote Republican ever again!

Well while Southfield and Troy was being built up, what happened to Pontiac.....

They've pulled the ad; more correctly, they pulled the pin on a hand grenade and threw it into a pool of gasoline.

The ad is just maddening because it is so unnecessary. It is a tactical error based on a flawed strategy. Or in other words, a bad idea, poorly executed.

The asshats behind this garbage should be shown the door. Bobby Schostak is toast. F.U. buddy. You are poor example of leadership.

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Originally Posted by gnome

They've pulled the ad; more correctly, they pulled the pin on a hand grenade and threw it into a pool of gasoline.

The ad is just maddening because it is so unnecessary. It is a tactical error based on a flawed strategy. Or in other words, a bad idea, poorly executed.

The asshats behind this garbage should be shown the door. Bobby Schostak is toast. F.U. buddy. You are poor example of leadership.

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Yeah right. Like they don't love this shit. They're poised to elect Kerry Bentivolio for chrissake.

The Kerry Bentivolio thing is a complete one off. He wouldn't be a part of any discussion if Thad McCotter's staffers had not been total doofi.

[[BTW Thad is in court today testifying against his staffers.)

It is important not to conflate divergent events with a pre-set conclusion in mind PB.

The facts on hand lead one to conclude that Bobby Schostak is in a power struggle with the moderate wing of the Republican Party. As much as it may hurt, the truth is that L. Brooks, is a moderate. Many folks will brissel at that reality, but that is the truth. Rick Snyder is also a moderate.

Bobby Schostak is not a moderate. He is a backer of national committeeman Dave Agema, who is a Koche brothers conservative and a little to the right of Curtis LeMay.

But Kerry Bentivolio is a one off. He is slightly unhinged and if he wins, you can count it to the same phenomena that keeps getting John Conyers elected: Some people would rather eat dirt than vote outside their party.

The truth is that unreasonable people vote. They can't be reasoned with, they can't see logic, they only know what they know and they refuse to break from convention. For that reason, Jesse Jackson Jr. in Chicago will get re-elected even though he is under a doctor's care and unable to function on the campaign trail, let alone in the House.

Conyers is just bad for Detroit and has been for at least a decade, but he will get voted into office, because unreasoning people vote. In droves.

If Bentivolio gets elected, which I doubt, it will not be because of some great plan by Bobby Schostak, it will be because unreasoning people vote.

That is the truth. That is also why - originally - only landowners could vote, because it was assumed that those men could read, had gone to school and were more likely to vote with logic and reason. Of course, logic proven wrong, doesn't mean it isn't correct, it just means that men aren't logical.

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Originally Posted by 313WX

Actually, that's the ONLY reason LBP all of a sudden gives a fuck about Detroit. It has finally clicked in his head that as Detroit goes, so does the region.

10 years ago, LBP wanted NOTHING to do with Detroit.

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It's amazing how if your neighbor's home is on fire and you send nothing but laughs and gasoline, your own home has a good chance of catching fire.

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Originally Posted by MidTownMs

I don't think the GOP was counting on any votes from Detroit.

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I'm sure that is exactly what the far right Repubs were thinking when they aired this ad. Contrary to popular belief, there are Republicans in Detroit, although they are certainly a minority.

What they forget is that there are a lot of Democrats and Independents in Oakland County, many who do not hate Detroit, and would really like to see things improve in the city. This type of anti-Detroit ad isn't going to turn Democrats and Independents into supporters of the Republican Party. If anything, it will cause them to be less likely to support Republicans.

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Originally Posted by jtf1972

It's amazing how if your neighbor's home is on fire and you send nothing but laughs and gasoline, your own home has a good chance of catching fire.

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Yep.

And after sending nothing but laughs and gasoline which only allowed the fire to grow into a blazing inferno and you then realize the flames are beginning to spread elsewhere, you can't just spit on it and not expect it to spread over to your home.

Democrat 101 - If a message offends because it's true; destroy the message.

I m quite sure in the Republican fashion of recent that after the the election is done they will come out with some sort of statement saying the ad was misunderstood and not meant to cause any malicious damage to Detroit or the region. It seems to be their motus operandi for everything lately. but the damage , very intentionally, will already have been done. This had been the strategy for long time now. Yes, if they cared about the city and region they would not air an ad like that, but, their interests at the present time have nothing to do with that. Your best way to combat against this behavior is to vote against them in November. If a Republican president is elected, this area should expect little or no support. Romney has no loyalty to Detroit or its areas.

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Originally Posted by coracle

Democrat 101 - If a message offends because it's true; destroy the message.

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Odd...that's also the Republican 101 course.

Two types of republicans--millionaires and morons.

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Originally Posted by jmcguire30

Two types of republicans--millionaires and morons.

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And moronic millionaires.

Hmm, don't forget the millionaires in the democratic cache of folk...

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Originally Posted by 313WX

And moronic millionaires.

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Originally Posted by Zacha341

Hmm, don't forget the millionaires in the democratic cache of folk...

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Your slip is showing. ;)

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Originally Posted by brizee

Cutting off your nose to spite your face and shitting where you eat.

WHY do this

Why go this route?


I can't wait to move to Chicago.

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Like the Big Windy is any better. They have their share of problems too, like a murder rate that's just as bad as Detroit, granted it's much bigger.

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Originally Posted by Cincinnati_Kid

Like the Big Windy is any better. They have their share of problems too, like a murder rate that's just as bad as Detroit, granted it's much bigger.

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And?

Any big city is gonna have problems.

Chicago and Philly are violent as hell.

NYC has the stop and frisk bullshit.

I won't have live around these arrogant hypocritical fucks in their shitty little feifdoms anymore.

Disappointing ad. Wish times would get a bit better for the city. Too bad a lot of town has become so hostile, can you expect anything else with constant continual disinvestment. GOP is all about the money