https://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...it/2497898001/
There had been speculation about this for a while. Stephen Ross is stepping up as well.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...it/2497898001/
There had been speculation about this for a while. Stephen Ross is stepping up as well.
This will be great for the Gratiot corridor. I hope they work closely with MDOT to make sure their design works well with the removal of I-375.
It looks like a very speculative rendering. The main building they are focused on may be in the design process and going to look similar to that, but it is clear that they aren't exactly sure how they programing for the rest of the site is going to go. I hope whatever goes in is incredibly dense with a handful of 15-20 story buildings for residential.
The biggest positives here is the presence that UofM will have downtown and the draw it will be as well as having Ross invested. He doesn't attach his name to just anything and will make sure that it is of the utmost quality and succeeds. Hopefully it is the first of many investments from him.
hopefully this project will get underway soon with local outreach for construction jobs, and hopefully the post-construction jobs will be plentiful.
what would be involved in renovating 1300 Beaubien?
From Crains https://www.crainsdetroit.com/real-e...l-site-detroitQuote:
Billionaires Stephen Ross and Dan Gilbert plan to build a $300 million,190,000-square-foot innovation center for the University of Michigan along Gratiot Avenue between I-375 and St. Antoine Street, the site of Wayne County's failed jail project. The project will include an adjacent midrise residential tower, a business incubation center and conference center and hotel developed at the former Detroit police headquarters building at 1300 Beaubien St.
flashy renderings from KPF for your enjoyment
https://s3-prod.crainsdetroit.com/s3...Ave-Main_i.jpg
https://s3-prod.crainsdetroit.com/s3...ering-02_i.jpg
Blurb from UofM:Quote:
The planned Detroit Center for Innovation will feature a 190,000-square-foot research and graduate education building for UM students in automotive mobility, artificial intelligence, sustainability, cybersecurity, financial technology and other tech fields.
"The whole idea of that is using [[the innovation center) to get companies to relocate to Detroit and take advantage of the talent coming there," Ross said in an exclusive interview with Crain's.
https://detroit.umich.edu/news-stori...rt-of-detroit/
I'm not so sure Ross being involved means it'll happen quickly since Hudson Yards took decades.
I share skepticism that Ross being involved will move the needle one way or the other, but Hudson Yards is the largest private development in American history. But all three involved parties [[U of M, Gilbert, Ross) have a good track record of executing on projects.
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This image tells me that the only thing that has been fleshed out is the hub building on Gratiot. It will be interesting to see how the rest of the site is designed and what sort of height/density is implemented.
^ I would think everything they currently mentioned would be built at around the same time. But also this would probably be an on-going project with additions over many years.
I also don't think it's a coincidence that MDOT recently revealed more aggressive highway removal plans for this area. Gilbert, Ross and Whitmer are likely pushing it so they can have as much land as possible to develop this campus.
True, 375 advancement is going fast. The real estate perspective is fine, but regionally we do need more advanced businesses and I hope this center can produce the people to make it happen.
Does anyone know where U of M currently is with technological education like high tech manufacturing, software, and robotics? Feels like they're going to need a heavy partner to lean on perhaps and I would guess Ross is good for the real estate part but not the education part. Though that's just a guess.
The U of M owns the impressive Rackham Building in Detroit's Cultural
Center. It had been leased to Wayne State but, I think, that lease is
over. Will the U of M retain the Rackham Building or sell it? Do they
need both the major new building on Gratiot and the very impressive
Rackham building? There is something historically significant about
the University of Michigan establishing a major campus close to the
site when Father Richard and Judge Woodward founded the institution in 1815.
Bedrock is full steam ahead on the new jail complex they're building for Wayne County just east of 75. Drove by there yesterday and what had been reduced to dirt lots this fall has several steel structures with lots of activity.
Point being, Danny G. didn't agree to build Wayne county a brand new criminal justice complex to just sit on a dirt lot blocks away from his office. Neither of the developers involved have a track record of not delivering.
Uhh the 78 is like 90% fantasy concept right now and the state of Illinois is paying for it with public dollars [[god know's how a heavily in debt state is doing this but ok). The vast majority of those flashy concept renders will not be happening.
Related is also developing that site, but unlike the UofM campus Ross is not financing any of it. There was a minor update a few weeks ago when Bedrock said their main focus other then Hudsons was the UofM campus.
Quote from Crains
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/john-pletz-technology/can-u-i-tech-hub-rival-bostons-kendall-squareQuote:
DPI doesn't yet have backing of a major private donor like Stephen Ross, a major University of Michigan benefactor who's helping underwrite the Detroit project. The billionaire founded real estate developer Related, which is developing both the Detroit site and DPI.
Also they didn't break ground either. They claimed construction on the 78 might start in the next 12 months.
They broke ground on a road nearly a year ago. How does this relate to the failed jail site again?
Ross is being brought on for his work on Cornell Tech, which was completed in about three years time. As I understand it, The University is going to want it's buildings up before the apartments and offices that are also part of the project.
That's nice! :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JddNDtC-Yrs
What a strange, sad little outburst. And on a Saturday night!
i wonder what, if anything, might be underway by this spring or summer? obviously COVID has delayed various construction endeavors [[even though there are various ones going on now like the planned Meijer on East Jefferson)
I have a feeling the 375 construction delay had something to do with it. Hopefully with Biden in office we'll see a national push for big infrastructure improvements like this to happen rather than just be studied endlessly.
The new Bedrock leader just talked about this in a crains article, said "the deck was coming along nicely" in terms of financing, we already know Ross is dumping 100 mil right now. Seems like it's their main focus other than Hudson site.
More meaningless hot air. No details. Nowhere close to being fully funded. It was supposed to break ground Q1 2021. It’s not. Another fake project like the MLS arena district before it on the same land.
University Regents haven't talked about it in a year.
https://regents.umich.edu/meetings/
^ I just love how you can make personal insults at users in other threads and still be allowed to post here, still allowed to keep trolling.
DYES mods are you serious right now?
Just block them, that’s what I did. If they stop getting the response they’re looking for they’ll eventually go away. It’s sad someone can be so miserable that they have nothing better to do than spend so much time on an online forum trolling and insulting people.
Stop gaslighting. You're no victim, you're a hostile person. Again, getting me banned from a forum won't improve your lot in life and it won't make fake projects come to fruition. Look, the truth hurts, so you and your few minions [[or your other personalities) are attacking me for merely highlighting how fake these projects are. If you want to see genuine projects without a mile long list of fake excuses, I suggest you use your $600 government check to take a plane to Atlanta or Austin or Nashville.
I'm just gonna keep reporting your posts so please keep the insults and chaos coming. They'll be forced to do something about you eventually.
:cool:
Ignoring isn't a solution. The forum shouldn't be held hostage by one person who is now personally insulting people openly and brazenly. This person has been banned at least ten times from this site before.
I don't understand what's taking so long this time but he's clearly taking advantage of the delay. Or has this site really become the wild west?
What flacks tell local press means nothing if it can't be verified by University Regents. There's been nothing on the agendas or in the minutes about this project, look for yourself:
https://regents.umich.edu/meetings/
Update time! this article from the beginning of April got overlooked. It focuses on Ross and his partner but it talks a great deal about the Detroit Innovation Center. They're referring to it as the "DCI" now.
https://www.dbusiness.com/business-f...ross-effect-2/Quote:
As the pair move to ground-up development, the first phase of the U-M/Detroit Center for Innovation [[DCI) will feature a 190,000-square-foot glass-fronted research and graduate education building designed by renowned architectural firm Kohn Pedersen Fox. The space will be designated for U-M students in automotive mobility, artificial intelligence, sustainability, cybersecurity, fintech, and other technology-related fields. Groundbreaking is expected to take place this year and the project should be completed by 2023.
The educational campus at I-375 and Gratiot will be complemented by mid-rise residential buildings for U-M graduate students, a business incubator and accelerator space, and a hotel in the former Detroit Police Headquarters just west of the site.
“Detroit’s a great city and has always been one of the leading cities in this country,” Ross says. “It’s gotten to a place where it’s really in a position to grow, and it needs that next step to create more jobs. What the DCI project will do is attract people to Detroit...
Scott DeRue, the Edward J. Frey Dean at the U-M Ross School of Business, says the university’s commitment to the DCI and to the city of Detroit is unwavering.
^^
Thanks for the heads up.
One item it mentions in that article is that the old Detroit Police HQ at 1300 Beaubien will become a Hotel. I did a Google search, and could not find any other reference to the final fate of that Gilbert property. Awesome!
I like that Detroit has so many historic buildings converted to boutique hotels. Between Aloft [Whitney Building], Shinola [Meyers Building +], Element [Metropolitan Building], the old Police HQ, and also the Park Ave. House as a Hilton... really nice reuse. :)
I didn't know Ross was Max Fisher's nephew.
Hopefully they can bring something online beyond the DCI in Phase 1. It'll look so odd to just have a single midrise among a grass/surface lot. I imagine the student housing [[along the service drive) component can start later, but finish at the same time 2023.
https://detroitcenterforinnovation.c...date_Large.jpg
First and foremost I am glad to hear that there is foreword momentum on this project.
As much as new investment and jobs that come with it are badly needed I often wonder about 1300 Beaubien. It is without doubt an architectural masterpiece that needs to be preserved yet at the same time its place in history is as massive as the building. Would making the old Police HQ in Detroit a boutique hotel serve all the history well? I believe that the very best possible future for this historic property would be a return to the City of Detroit for some kind of civic duty. Obviously a rehabilitation would have to happen just the same as any other use.
Anyone else have thoughts on this issue?
I have been able to spend time in the Foundation Hotel, Shinola Hotel, Siren and Metropolitan with my job and I can 100% say that a boutique hotel is the way to go versus a return to the city. Bedrock wont spare any expenses in preserving and honoring the history of the place. I don't see the city committing those resources or caring enough.
^^ I agree Southen... the last thing I want is another opportunity to give it back to the city. They let it deteriorate way longer than they ever should have.
I remember being in there 40 years ago to take my late father to get a gun permit, and thought even back then that it was a rat hole in terms of taking care of it.
A boutique hotel will be refreshing difference... and even that sounds like a Hurculean task from what it was used for before.
Interesting to see both the former Fire Department HQ and now the Police Dept HQ end up as boutique hotels.
Also glad that post pandemic the Park Avenue House [a Louis Kamper design] will become a 172 room boutique hotel, known as Hilton's "Royal Palm Hotel", part of their Tapestry Collection! :cool:
https://www.freep.com/story/money/bu...it/5631555002/
The Jetson's type picture in post 39 is a joke, right?
Looks like....
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/af/8b...3271a6f01d.jpg
I do like the "cutting edge" edge of the building... :o
https://www.madisonseating.com/retro...xoCUw8QAvD_BwE
Failure to launch.
It’s not happening at the fail jail site. Cancelled there, but they *claim* it will be built elsewhere in Detroit. At some point.
https://www.freep.com/story/money/bu...te/7965984002/
Skippers Rule.
Ever since Mullen, Ketai, and Cullen left, there seems to be little progress on new projects.
The Hudson site, which Cullen was basically able to get started just before he left, seems to be the last project that has gotten off the ground. Obviously not all gloom as there is still ongoing progress at the new County justice facility, Book Tower renovation, and City Modern, but again those projects all started before the aforementioned crew left.
Since then, nothing new has really happened… and the Monroe Blocks and UM Innovation Sites have failed to materialize. Seems more than a coincidence.
this is so disappointing. i bike past this site every day and daydream about how much activity a college campus would bring, plus with the new post-375 boulevard filled with new housing, retail, etc. i just don't get it. the site is a huge prime blank slate with so many great looking conceptual renders for it. the chasm between eastern market/lafayette park and downtown is just so vexing and disappointing, and now it's gonna remain...
I am more upset about the Monroe Block development not taking off, than I am about the U of M development on the Fail Jail site.
If Ross says that the Fail Jail site doesn't have enough space for future expansion... then maybe he is right. Anyway, I was just studying Google Earth, and the TechTown area around the old Burroughs HQ in Milwaukee Junction wouldn't be a bad place to put a campus. Maybe they could get the massive Burroughs HQ building and expand from that. There are huge parking lots surrounding that complex... and a U of M Center there would tie New Center & College for Creative Studies together with TechTown, the southern expansion of the Henry Ford campus, and WSU.
Also, I don't think that any one personality really affects developments all that much. Cullen used to work for GM and for the Ilitches. GM got their HQ revamped, but no new expansions of a riverfront village to the east. And his time with the Ilitches... he probably got his development ideas squashed by the Ilitches love for parking lots. :eek:
I think that once we get back to normal in a post pandemic business climate... that there are other great uses for the 34 acre Fail Jail site along Gratiot... and hopefully no Soccer Stadium.
That would be a smart place for it. I was also Google Earthing to look at that spot Ross just bought around Charlotte and 3rd Ave.. there's a lot of open space there too for a campus, which might catalyze infilling the vacant end of Midtown and rehabbing those gorgeous apartment buildings north of the Masonic. I wonder if Gilbert starts hustling right outside Illitch's turf, if that would clown Chris enough that he'd start taking his "district" seriously...
edit: re: Gratiot site, honestly i'd be down to see them build the previous plan from before the DCI was announced. has a Monroe Blocks vibe to it: https://www.bedrockdetroit.com/property/gratiot-site/
14 acres wasn't enough when they were starting with one building using a very small footprint? This has excuse written all over it.
They're moving it to a new site in Detroit. Apparently the Gratiot site wasn't big enough.
Here's a good article on it.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/2021/07/14/ross-wont-build-detroit-center-innovation-um-old-jail-site/7965020002/
- RossQuote:
“I am more committed than ever to deliver my vision of an innovation hub in my hometown, and I reaffirm my commitment to the people of Detroit and the University of Michigan to create inclusive growth that propels job creation, affordable housing development and historic preservation for all Detroiters. We’re planning to move the DCI to a new location in the city with more space to ensure that we deliver.”
I have seen the news article. Gilbert needs to knock it off with the ' We are going to build a fantastic building and make Downtown[[Gilberttown) Detroit great again.' Now that failed Wayne Co. Jail Site is back to drawing board. If you can't agree with your investors, don't plan to build. If I was an investor for Gilbert, I want your building done in 2 years or will pull my money elsewhere. I will forgive you for any national crisis, but when we have a civilization again start building.
You're not Donald Trump, Mr. Gilbert, that is why I warn you not to be too fast on buying and selling any capital properties.
The best location would be the Uni Royal is notorious GM lot in-between Atwater and franklin, both eyesores
https://www.freep.com/story/news/edu...ct/7971987002/
Supposedly Ross has been talking with Chris Ilitch about building it on some of the lots behind the Fox. I wouldn’t put much faith it going their considering it’s the Ilitches but who knows. Would completely transform that area though.
Bedrock has done incredible things for the city. Even if Bedrock never built or renovated another project again, Dan Gilbert and crew would still be heroes in my book. My concern is more about Bedrock having new leadership, and whether that new leadership can maintain, and hopefully build upon, the momentum of the wonderful projects of their predecessors.
As 313WX alluded too, there is the pandemic that the new leadership has had to deal with. That being said, excuses can only be used for so long. So it is more of a relative comparison of current leadership vs previous leadership that I am alluding too, as opposed to Bedrock as a whole temporally. The jury is still out… but at some point I hope to see them start something new, or at least actually start on the Monroe Blocks.
This sounds dead to me. Hope I'm wrong but the quote from Ross is peppered with buzz words with basically no details. "Inclusive growth, affordable housing, historic preservation", wanna throw a bone to another interest group? It reeks of appeasement, and what do these things even have to do with an "innovation center"???
The excuse of the site not being large enough also makes little sense to me. This site is a blank state and Bedrock is handing Ross the chalk to create what he wants. Now he suddenly wants to wrangle one of the other vacant areas in the city away from potentially multiple private interests? I don't buy it.
Lastly, the current status of Hudson Yards can't be ignored. The development is languishing basically since it opened, full of vacant condos and empty retail. It's perfectly feasible that Ross expected to have that project paying its own way at this point and the financials just aren't making sense now.
^ Well part of the problem is the pandemic... as it is for all projects.
Here's a video about it. It does remind me of the Renaissance Center.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUoj9vHwvi0
The inspiration for Detroit Center of Innovation is not Hudson Yards. The inspiration is the Cornell Tech Development on Roosevelt Island.
https://tech.cornell.edu/campus/
Seems like Roosevelt Island is doing fine
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/17/n...d-tourism.html
Roosevelt Island’s First Hotel to Open On Cornell Tech CampusQuote:
The restaurant would be part of Graduate, Roosevelt Island’s first hotel, which opened this month. The property is on the campus of Cornell Tech, a hub for cutting-edge graduate students in tech, design, law and business, which opened four years ago.
It’s a 300 million project,do not forget the anything over 75 million has to contribute millions more to “community investment “ an investor will say,okay it costs us 300 million for this project plus and additional up to 25 million in community investment,where is my return on that 25 million,it’s not chump change and it costs us 25 million less to invest in any other city in the country.
Not exact numbers but that is the jist of it,that whole COD exclusive experiment caps projects at the 75 million mark,and discourages projects like this.
The first clue should have been that no other city in the country has a penalty program like that,they are placing the social programs on the investors verses the city creating programs based on the ability to raise funds and continue to fund things in the future.
This is going to come back and bite the city taxpayers in the rear hard in the future,if the investors do do the project and contribute to the social programs,it’s a one time deal,after it is done the city picks up the future costs,if you cannot afford to implement them in the first place how are you going to fund them in the future?
List of project requirements from 2018
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g6wyoh9lrb..._List.pdf?dl=0
Notice for the privilege of improving the Book they had to agree to preserve and restore the facade of the National Theatre.
Free press had to provide/fund affordable housing.
Hudson’s had to fund skills training programs.
Because the jail site was purchased from the the city there are even more restrictions.
But then again this social experiment was voter approved so one cannot get to upset when things stay the same.
^ You are the only person who thinks the community benefits are a huge issue. I have not heard complaints anywhere else. These billionaires can more than afford it.
^ you will not hear complaining,just projects dropped or not even entertained from the start.
Mr Gilbert has leeway because he bought the low hanging fruit and the market has increased.But not those who would be looking at paying today’s prices.
If you were buying a 200k house,would you be expected to pay 300k because you could afford it? The bank is only going to lend based on the value of the project the rest comes out of pocket,will not stay a billionaire at that rate.
How many more billionaires you have in your back pocket,as it stands your local teacher’s union and pension funds are investing in Florida condominium projects and building subdivision sprawl,instead of locally.
They are telling you but you are not listening.
Your choice and decision,the ramifications of that is there are other cities reaping the rewards while COD keeps spinning the wheels uphill and wondering why.
Most cities encourage investment which brings jobs,opportunity,encourages more to move there and lower the tax obligations of those already there,it is not based on,you can afford it so that is the way it works.
It also lowers your bond ratings and you have to pay higher interest rates,so less infrastructure gets fixed as more debt is incurred.
I like that train of thought though because my investments are taxpayer based,I just have to time when the city taxpayers reach that plateau where they cannot be squeezed anymore and start bailing bringing you back to where you started.
Nothing wrong with creating social solutions,but in order to keep them as long term solutions they have to be funded long term,it’s a balance that gets upset when you have more obligations then funds.
You increase social programs as your tax base increases,outside of that you are increasing the tax burden on a already overburdened tax base.
You are the only city in the country with that program and the other cities are watching to see if it works,if it does not then they have nothing to lose,at this point in time the city of Detroit is not really in a position to test things to see if they work or not,the consequences of them not working are the results that brought you to where you are at,sometimes doing things that have already been proven as successful are a safer bet.
Billionaires can lose a billion dollars in one day. But they can make two billion dollars tomorrow.
There certainly has been a slowing\halt of new projects. I have 100% confidence that the podium part of the Hudson site will get completed. I'm fairly confident the tower part will get built. I have low confidence for any other Bedrock project right now.
Gilbert still has a lot of credibility, but momentum is really slowing down. Hopefully it has to do with the pandemic and economic uncertainty.
Gilbert will be bringing back a lot of his Detroit workers in the coming months. However, I do think there's going to be a shift in attracting IT talent. In-demand IT workers can now shop for work from home jobs. Major IT employers, like RKT, will have to decide if they want to try to force IT workers back in, or attract them with working from home. The work-from-home push has a potential to drastically change urban cores that attract the jobs, but don't have a lot of folks living there.
You're hitting on a pretty big issue. Folks in Detroit pay more in taxes, by a lot, but they don't really seem to get more. Instead of getting economies of scale, they seem to get the opposite, as waste and fraud seem to find an easier way to hide in a larger city.
I've thrown around in my head the idea of carving Detroit up into multiple cities and school districts. Focusing more on locally governing than at the scale of 140 square miles. I think the magic number would be to go from one city to four or five cities and school districts. School district boundaries should match the new city boundaries. I don't think any such solution like that should be imposed on Detroit residents, but only implemented if chosen by them.
It makes perfect sense. Obviously Ross and Gilbert disagreed on how to use the Gratiot site. Bedrock owns the land so they call the shots. They couldn't compromise so now Ross has to find a new place to build his baby. Of course they're not going to broadcast all their internal dealings to the media and the world.
Only Detroityes would read a statement like that from the most credible billionaire developer in the world and one of the most respected universities in North America and come to an "It's dead!" conclusion. This is a university not a condo development.
You really are roses and sunshine on everything.
Gilbert is not going to just start paying all of the delinquent taxes now and in the future. Site something more recent than this which shows a dramatic change:
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ncy/700005002/
Hudson Yards bears little resemblance to the Ren Cen, except for bad timing, scale, and glass. It's standoffish, not nearly as closed off-- one of the Ren Cen's most defining features.
I have a lot less faith in Ross than many seem to.
Re the Monroe site-- it makes perfect sense to wait out uncertainty. Too prime a location. With patience we'll see a better plan once things bounce back than any that would happen today.
Sure as the momentum toward work at home, it's exaggerated, will equilibrate.
I, too, have "thrown around in my head" a similar idea. It will not be popular, but a solution would be to reduce the size of Detroit to the Downtown/New Center area, and divide the rest of the City into townships. Then, let the arrangement adjust itself organically over time - annexations, mergers, new towns and cities, etc. I know the devil is in the details [police, fire, etc.] but that is my view from 10,000 feet. A change in the 1926 ['27?] Michigan law regarding municipal annexations should be considered as part of this.
Yeah my comparison to RenCen was based on monumental complex alone... Hudson Yard also has residential, something missing from RenCen. And then there's a mass transit station. A People Mover stop isn't quite the same.
But about your comment on work-at-home. When I was working IT at the phone company in the 90s, we got to work from home 2 days a week. Worked out great. But we found out that the more your boss saw of you, the more visible you were... and since our company "right-sized" their work force every 2-3 years [got rid of their bottom 10% ranked employees]. I had 2 bosses who were top notch... but because their boss was out of state... when it came down to review time... the employee review process worked against people who were not seen often by their bosses. 3 years apart I lost both great bosses to right-sizing.
For companies that do not do periodic employee "weeding out", full time work from home may be a good thing. But for companies that like to right-size... it can be a serious problem not to be seen at the company.
I think that many companies will do partial work-from-home. And at some companies, the employees won't want to work-from-home full time anyway.
I do not think WFH is not what it is touted as,the Achilles heel is the stability of the internet and lost production in the process.
How many moved rural because of WFH after selling everything only to discover that the only internet available is satellite that drops when a cloud goes by or in a rainy day.
You see it on the news and with zoom calls getting dropped,imagine how the boss would feel if they paid you for weeks of research to present to a client,the moment comes to pitch that multi million dollar sale and you have to call them up and say,my internet is down.
They should build a prison for all the faculty molesters and enablers.
World Economic Forum plans Detroit Urban Innovation Center:
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...ck/8189401002/
What exactly does the World Economic Forum do?
From the WEF:
https://www.weforum.org/press/2021/0...on-in-detroit/
How infinitely preferable with this center be in the “fail jail” location instead of a jail itself.
Trying to figure this out. Isn't an Innovation Center what U of M was planning? Will there be two now?
They are what is called a NGO or Non Governmental Organization.
They operate off of corporate donations on a world scale.
NGOs have a scetchy side to them,some of them anyways,useing lots of money to get what they want,using any means necessary.
A tin hat person would classify this as a part of global control over a city,and it would not matter if you oppose what they are doing because you really would have no say in it,or a privately funded world order.
Right now they are on the level of green - like you have stolen my childhood level- my personal view is,with the trillions getting ready to flow or the green ready to flow,they are going to use Detroit to get some.
They have a saying - beware of those bearing gifts and that would be on the citizenry of Detroit to do their research as they become another social experiment.
You are not talking about local level anymore,decisions will be made based on the worlds benefit as a whole but you pay for it.
As an example,their solution to homelessness,is to give everybody a home,but you pay for it.
They are agenda based on a world scale and what works in a socialist society might not be the best thing for Detroit.
You guys have to decide right now how far you want to go with this or how much rope you want to let out.
Are you really interested in corporate control over your city?
The intensions are good but you have to pay close attention to the implementation of those and how much say you will really have.
So what do they actually do?
Pretty much pick causes and implement solutions according to how the rest of the world does it.
If a large corporation wants to implement change in the city,they send the funding through them,but once they have the money,they become in total control over it.
Thanks Satiricalivory, that makes sense. It was hard to decipher the corporate-speak word salad that is their website.
I don't know anything about this particular group but basically every charity on the planet is an "NGO" so there is not something insidious about that term.
To enable every country to take part in the transition, wealthier countries need to deliver the $100 billion per year of climate finance required for developing countries so they too can bring their brilliance to the race to reduce emissions.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/...ness-response/
You would not have an extra 100 billion laying around,neither do I,where does our government get their 100 billion from?
You know how many countries that are out there that could be considered developing countries,and where that money would go.
These are the billionaires that gather up in Davos every year to remind us if we do not do this right now,we will all die.
They have already placed the goal to reduce carbon emissions by 50% by 2030.
It was already explained the trillions in costs it would take,can you imagine removing everything carbon based from the Detroit region by 50% in 8 years and what the scope of that entails.
It gets cold,how do you heat your house and at what cost when the heating supply has been reduced by 1/2?
At that point only those with high means will have the luxury of heat in the winter.
It’s moving the money from the bottom to the top because the average person has a tough time paying the light bill let alone the massive tax increase this agenda would require.
It’s okay to have an agenda of good intentions,but at the end of the day,it realistically has to be paid for and what have you gained at the expense of who?
It is the basis of socialism,all the money goes to the top and everybody else works to send it there.
Richard, you mistakenly said “socialism” when the correct term was “capitalism.”
The boogeyman of “socialism” really is such a tedious 1950’s/1960’s mantra.
BTW, “an extra 100 billion” would be 1/20th of what we wasted in Afghanistan.