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It's refreshing to have a president even willing to meet with Detroit for a change.
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It's refreshing to have a president even willing to meet with Detroit for a change.
You're buying this? Wow! You're easy!
It's a dog & pony show. PR..you know? Michigan is a swing state, so is Ohio. Notice how he keeps going to swing states, or places with Democrat governors. There's a good chance that MI could go with a GOP gov. this time. Do you really think he's there because he loves Detroit? Come on! Notice, how he avoids states that went for McCain in 2008. Too many lies for me to stomach anymore. I gave him a chance; I"m done. I just don't believe anything he says anymore.
Too much talk radio? Sun in Texas?Quote:
Originally Posted by kathy2trips
I would avoid states that voted for McCain too, on principle.
It might have helped your cause more to have posted a video showing a more overwhelming audience opposing presidential support of Detroit automakers. But you couldn't do that could you?Quote:
Originally Posted by kathy2trips
Try watching the entire video before knee-jerking.
What took George W. Bush so long to meet with Detroit automakers anyway? Of what was he afraid?
I sense a bit of angst while attempting to address the question directly? Struck a nerve, eh? :DQuote:
What took George W. Bush so long to meet with Detroit automakers anyway? Of what was he afraid?
So, is there any Italian bosses at the Jeep plant??
I wonder if the motorcade went to the obama gas station?
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It's refreshing to have a president even willing to meet with Detroit for a change.
What took George W. Bush so long to meet with Detroit automakers anyway? Of what was he afraid?
Why are you people knocking Obama? He almost singlehandedly saved the Domestic Auto Industry which this region relies on 95%. Think what would have happened if the GOP let them collapse which they wanted to do? How do you think the Detroit area would look then? I mean it's bad now, but think of the additional jobs that would be lost, not including the one's already gone and never coming back through the bankruptcy. Most of the problems were thrown in his lap by the GOP. Now they're bitching about the deficit they helped create. This country was in debt way before Obama got in. Do you think the GOP has a magic formula to make the debt go away? I like Obama. Has he made mistakes? Sure. Have other Presidents done the same? You're damn skippy. The freakin GOP tried they're damndest not to approve Unemployment Extensions which people in this area need the most. Gimme a break. My least favorite animal is a elephant.
He certainly stayed away while Kilpatrick was in office during the later part of his presidential campaign. Smart man. And the primary was delivered to Hillary... as a gift from Jenny.Quote:
Originally Posted by kathy2trips
I wouldn't. Sometimes you have to preach 'beyond' the choir.... ala that 'reaching across the isle' stuff politicians [[repub and dem) talk about.
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Originally Posted by Stosh
Whenever the President of the United States comes to visit, regardless of which Party is in power, it is always an honor and a responsibility. We should thank both Bush and Obama for bailing out the aot indstry, as both men were behind the effort.
Should Bush have met with Wagner and whatshisname? yep, but he didn't, what are you gonna do about it? hate on Obama? Hate on all republicans? jeeze, be happy that so far this bail out has worked out.
What I find interesting is that I can't find a single pic of Obama and Caroline Cheeks Kilpatrick doing the air-kiss.
It's about time that the boss of GM and Chrysler showed up in person to rally the troops, even if it was all scripted and read from the "Obamaprompter". Where was he last summer when he first took over the two car companies while they were at rock-bottom and his job approval ratings were ten percentage points higher than today? Playing golf, doing self-inflicted damage control with his silly "beer summit", vacationing on Martha's Vineyard, lugging the "Obamaprompter" to a high school in VA, playing more golf...... Personally, I think he needs to spend a lot more time on the golf course working on his game - and he should take Congress along with him.Quote:
It's refreshing to have a president even willing to meet with Detroit for a change.
The lotto club winner anecdote was cute except for one thing, he forgot to mention that the government was the biggest winner, first by taking half of the ticket sales and secondly when they collected 30% of the net winnings in taxes. No wonder those guys decided to keep on working!
LOL! Nor one with him fist-bumping Kwame.... he knew to stay away from that political quick sand.
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Originally Posted by gnome
Wow, Mikeg, still bitter about the election results from nearly two years ago. If McCain and Palin had won the election we would be seeing the President [[McCain) at a ribbon cutting ceremony at the home of a new Chinese auto plant in Mississippi, one of several new Chinese auto plants in the U.S., since the domestic car companies, GM and Chrysler went out of business . The new companies will employ non-union workers at $7.00/ hour, which includes health benefits for the workers only and covers just two visits to the doctor per year. Any other health care costs will be bourne by the worker and his/her family. President McCain will be seen taking photo ops at the Chinese plant with the CEO of the company and republican wallstreet investors, who poured billions into Chinese auto companies after receiving all of the bailout money the president and the Congress was willing to give out. Does this sound more palettable, Mikeg?
Now you all see wonderful your 'Black Jesus' has done to auto industry thanks to government bailout monies. Now your 'Black premier' Obama, steps to the podium at the Chysler North Assembly Plant pointing his fingers and annoucing his post-Leninst speech to the proletariat crowd saying, 'The State will care take of you, providing new jobs to end our recession. 'Thank you Premier Obama'
WORD FROM STREET PROPHET
Socialism is here in the United States. Obama 4 more years.
Neda, for Socialism, I miss you.
Here are these proletarian victory songs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEQ1KvUp3dA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCFibtD3H_k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtU3vUOa2sw
Wow royce, are you really so embarrassed by Obama's performance after the first third of his term in office that you have to change the subject to hypothetical "what ifs" about McCain kowtowing to the Chinese?
Well, as the Chinese say, a picture tells a thousand words, so here's two thousands worth:
"Premier*" Barack Obama greeting Chinese premier Hu Jintao
Attachment 7027
Attachment 7028
*Danny's preferred title, not mine
I hear you, but IMO - just to weigh in, neither Obama/ Palin or McCain/Palin were the best tools in the box... the box was/ is broken.
Therefor no comparison rubric makes it for me to make one look better than the other... we have what we have. And Michigan's voting option in the primary was, well a mess anyhow.
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Originally Posted by royce
Well for it's worth it can be argued that they deserve a bow [[or two) for holding so much of our debt ....:rolleyes:.... as a sign of respect.
Just a sign of more obeisance to come.
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Originally Posted by Mikeg
Hah. In the meantime many Chrysler top and middle-tier suppliers remain unpaid [[the smaller ones having long closed shop), employees laid off permanently and Chrysler is yet to put forth a flag ship car to fully compete with Ford or GM, or even Toyota withstanding their recall issues!Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny
Can I just say how juvenile it is to add the suffix "Obama-" to anything the President does or completes. Frankly, "Obamacare" and "Obama Motors" are just two of the many accomplishments this administration and Congress have completed.
Obama-prompter? Really!? I guess we all wish we were still in the 5th grade. [[I wish Bush 2 had one of those Obama-prompter, but apparently it was invented in 2009)
Yep, I agree [[and I'm not being sarcastic). The over-use of the 'Obama-this', 'Obama-that' can detract from the careful evaluation of the details and news regarding the presidents policy initiatives directly.
Or those initiative and laws set forth by white house in which he endorse and his public statements, etc.
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Originally Posted by dtowncitylover
I think you meant to write "prefix", but I digress. Go back and read my post a second time and maybe you will realize that I was describing an object used by President Obama during his visit to Detroit - not what he did or completed.Quote:
Can I just say how juvenile it is to add the suffix "Obama-" to anything the President does or completes.
Frankly, neither of them have been "accomplished" or "completed". The GM and Chrysler "bankruptcies" are works in progress and neither company has yet to show a sustained profit. None of the health care reforms have been implemented yet - they were deliberately set to phase in so as not to negatively impact the Democrat incumbents chances in the next two election cycles.Quote:
Frankly, "Obamacare" and "Obama Motors" are just two of the many accomplishments this administration and Congress have completed.
Why is it that so many folks always equate political speeches and legislation with results?
Zach341 wrote:
>>I hear you, but IMO - just to weigh in, neither Obama/ Palin or McCain/Palin were the best tools in the box... the box was/ is broken.
I agree there. Very broken.
Well stated. We do not know the full outcome, outworking or success levels of these policies. Chrysler may still fail for many reasons... it ain't ova'!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeg
Most Obama freaks love to call the so called bailout of the auto industry something that Obama succeeded in. False. There was no bailout and it was a loan, just like one that the bank would give except that the loan was very large. The auto industry bailed themselves out and some Americans realized that buying foreign has hurt their country and some have gone back to the autos of the good ole USA! I have never owned a foreign car, and I never will. I've purchased two cars in my life, a 1997 Chevy S-10 and a 2008 Chevy Impala. Toyota could make a car for $5 that flew and I'd pass.
Yes I did mean prefix, pardon me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeg
And perhaps the loans have yet to be paid off, but it something he can say he did that was right and good for the country even if it was controversial. It was necessary to save what's left of our once powerful industrial might.
And your usage of the term "Obama-prompter", which by the way is never gonna catch on [[your the first person I have ever heard to utter such a stupid phrase), just reminded me of the usage of the prefix.
And I don't understand your last question because I know I wasn't confused, I was just talking about the term.
Obama freaks?? That's one for the books.Quote:
Originally Posted by jerrytimes
A New York Times take on the Volt which GM and the President are betting on. I have a son who wants to buy one but they won't even be sold Minnesota, where he lives, or Michigan right away. Sales will be allowed one cluster of states at a time partly to allow for mechanic training. California is at the head of the list partly because of the extra state subsidies there and a climate more benign to battery operation.
GM's Electric lemon
I really don't care if it catches on or not, however, its use in this instance appears to have been very effective. All recent Presidents have relied on the use of a teleprompter, but some of President Obama's supporters appear to be very sensitive to the embarrassingly huge difference in Obama's rhetorical eloquence when he happens to speak without one - perhaps because it then shatters Obama's "storybook" image when it becomes obvious that he doesn't sound any more articulate than George W. Bush?Quote:
And your usage of the term "Obama-prompter", which by the way is never gonna catch on [[your the first person I have ever heard to utter such a stupid phrase), just reminded me of the usage of the prefix.
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." - Sen. Joseph Biden [[D-Delaware), Jan. 31, 2007I was referring to your astounding statement that ""Obamacare" and "Obama Motors" are just two of the many accomplishments this administration and Congress have completed". You seem to accept just the conclusion of the political debate, legislation and intervention associated with these initiatives as accomplishment enough, when in fact you should be waiting until you see tangible results before you proclaim them to be completed accomplishments. So far there is insufficient evidence to indicate that these initiatives are completed, and absolutely no evidence to suggest that they are successful accomplishments. Yes, Congress passed a law that will radically change the way people's health will be insured, but none of that has gone into effect yet, and the cost estimates continue to climb. And yes, Obama's intervention in the restructuring of GM's and Chrysler's debts has given what remains of those two companies a new lease on life [[and the government a majority ownership stake in each of them), but there is insufficient evidence yet that they will be sustainable and profitable.Quote:
And I don't understand your last question because I know I wasn't confused, I was just talking about the term.
You apparently have never taken a Public Speaking class. Bush was an awful public speaker, with or without a prompter. Obama, and frankly every other president, knows/knew how to speak with or without a prompter. No, I am not embarrassed by Obama's supposed inarticulateness, because even without a prompter Obama sounds 110% better than Bush. Of course everyone sounds 110% better than Bush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeg
My use of the term "Obamaprompter" must have really gotten under your thin skin! Surely you must be aware that even Jon Stewart has mocked President Obama for his excessive reliance on his Teleprompter [[video) and that YouTube is littered with clips of Obama's unscripted ramblings and stuttered "Uh, uh..."'s.Quote:
Originally Posted by dtowncitylover
My advice: just let it go, life's too short to wait for an apology from me and 18 months into his Presidency, Obama has [[perhaps wisely) shown continued aversion to unscripted comments. Besides, it's not like I referred to President Obama himself using some kind of disrespectful name in a fashion reminiscent of those that were regularly used here to refer to the previous President.
I welcome President Obama's belated visit to Detroit and wish that he would come around more often, with or without his Teleprompter! It's always a civic privilege to host a sitting President, regardless of which party they represent.
Just pretend for a monent that you were the Pres. I bet you would have a tough time giving unscripted comments. With media, bloggers, u-tube and other ready to jump at any verbal slip. The uh's..uh's that you hear is him trying to think ahead while speaking and not fall into the verbal minefields that these reporters set out there. A lot of Bush's statement gaffe's weren't even from reporters pounding him with questions. There's a reason why Bush didn't do a lot of press conferences.
This teleprompter business is one of the worst cases of nit-picking I've seen in a while. That kind of stuff makes people believe that the only reason some folks pick on Obama is because he's black.
And what is the reason for President Obama's dearth of press conferences?Quote:
Originally Posted by firstandten
George W. Bush's longest stretch between prime-time, nationally televised press conferences was 214 days, from April 4 to Nov. 4, 2004. President Obama longest stretch was 309 days - which began on July 22, 2009 when he made his off-the-cuff comment about the Cambridge, Mass. police, saying that they had "acted stupidly". Perhaps his inability to stay on-topic during unscripted comments is the reason why Obama doesn't do a lot of press conferences.
In passing, I simply referred to the President's speech delivery aid as the "Obamaprompter" and for that you whip out the "race card".Quote:
Originally Posted by firstandten
Wow............
What's next, accusations of "hate speech"?
Actually after doing some checking both are pretty close in press conferences Obama 32 and Bush 30 however the difference is Obama press conferences breaks out into 13 solo and 19 joint and Bush 5 solo and 25 joint. Solo press conferences being a much more difficult formatQuote:
Originally Posted by Mikeg
Not really, but there is a perception that the President is being picked on unfairly in cases and nitpicked. Race can be a logical conclusion in that sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeg
I was really not referring to the Obamaprompter statement, I actually think that word is kinda funny.
I'm familiar with the rantings and ravings of the author of "The truth about cars".Quote:
Originally Posted by oladub
He's a moron. An absolute idiot. That the New York Times has wasted ink publishing his utter crap is a joke.
He's got an ax to grind and now that the Volt is on the doorstep, he's got to cover his ass about how wrong he's been for so long. Can't eat crow so he's spreading shit.
Sure he has an axe to grind. The guy who owned TTAC [[Robert Farago) wanted to see Detroit fail and his whole site revolved around the GM Death Watch. He tried the same gimmick by creating a Ford Death Watch right before he left the site to start some site about guns. Farago got into it with Jason Vines on Autoline and made an asshole out of himself but in the end, Ford won.Quote:
Originally Posted by BagAJellyDonuts
Thanks for reminding me why I generally stick to architectural issues on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimaz
I know a lot more about Bush than you, I'll bet. I won't defend Bush because I never liked him. He was a lousy Governor. His daddy got him in. I voted for Ann Richards. She was a great governor and somehow W got to be Governor, instead of Jeb, which was the original plan. I don't care for a lot of what W did as President, but we can't change the past by finger-pointing. This nation grows weary of this from both Obama and his followers. This "he did it", little kid mentality doesn't solve anything.
We're under siege here, from a vindictive, divisive president. Why is that not obvious to you? I don't have time to do your research for you, nor wait for you to realize you've been bamboozled. He's another Kwame from a different mommy. Go to some other state and broaden your horizons. You'll see what I mean.
BTW: I'm in cool, A/C...solar panel powered. Thank you very much. ;)
Kathy2trips...it is my hope that from now on you'll just stick to architectural issues.
This is the part I don't get from Obama's critics on the right. Even is they don't agree with his views, what in the world is their evidence for claims like this? How is this "obvious"?Quote:
Originally Posted by kathy2trips
It seems to me that Obama has gone waaaay out of his way to be conciliatory, which the other side of the aisle has done literally everything in its power to resist and reject. In fact, that's one of my major problems with him so far.
He is vindictive and mean because his idea of "bipartisan" does not mean " do whatever the republicans in congress say". He's vindictive and mean because he is actually getting stuff done that he said he would do during the campaign. Crazy stuff! IF Republicans offered ideas instead of being the party of "no"... If they offered policy instead of dogma, we might get somewhere. Instead we have tempest in a teabag over a mosque in New York and an alternate reality where deficit spending is to be encouraged as long as it's on tax cuts for the nations wealthiest individuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastsideAl
Palin/Gingrich '12- You Betcha!
I've never seen a politician who was able to make the republicans squirm like Obama does. Not even Clinton got under their skin this bad.
I don't know how people like Kathy or the typical teabagger/fox news viewer is going to make it through the next 6 years considering they're this pissed off already and we're not even done with year 2 yet. Either way, it should provide a good source of entertainment.
Were it that simple if we could just "wall off" his detractors as the usual [[boiler plate) suspects. Truth be told the gleam is wearing thin for many dems and independents too. Including many that voted for president Obama.
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Originally Posted by artds
Wearing thin to the point of.....wait for it....transparency! LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
Not pissed off, just a good judge of character. I had Obama pegged before the election and man, was I dead-on. Don't want socialists hijacking the Democrat party, either. You know, the "ask not what your country can do for you..." Democrats. Where the heck are those people? Anyway, November 2 should be one fascinating day. See U at the polls!
Enlightening us!! Why would 2 Nov 2010 will be a fascinating day? What the Republicans will take over? Woo hoo....it will be the same old shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by kathy2trips
To talk about Democrates vs Republicans is on the same level as cheering for sports teams. Look at the issue you care about, study the history, read both the conservative and liberal versions, and then vote.
Well look at you, making sense and everything...:pQuote:
Originally Posted by RickBeall
But, but, but, but my dad can beat up your dad.Quote:
Originally Posted by RickBeall
The President's Detroit visit fell far short of what it could have been. Of course, this is a midterm election year and so the visit was more about showcasing the "success" of the bailout to moderate/independent voters, and not really about directly addressing Detroit's multiple crises. I feel that since the US taxpayers are majority owners in General Motors and minority stakeholders in Chrysler, both these companies should be forced to get on board with manufacturing for the transit industry- rail cars, hybrid/electric buses, train tracks, etc. Re-open those factories that were shut down. Open new factories, especially in previously abandoned locales like urban Detroit and elsewhere. I have written letters to officials, appointees and activists from the President on down, but so far this angle has only barely reached public discourse. The whole "quick-wash get-in-get-out" hands-off managing of the auto bailouts has been maddeningly wrongheaded. But at least the American public will get to drive those neat new Chevy Volts, at only $41,000 a pop. Save your pennies.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...#ixzz0vm9bbGF2
I hear you, I am just as enthusiastic with far left agenda as I was with the far right. Not really. I am not buying that it is by default as benevolent as portended. At least with the repubs you're on guard and less likely to be caught short!
The 'tit-for-tat' [[right vs left empty rubric rhetoric) thing will continue to confuse the issue... example: [you] don't like Obama you must like the repubs ala Palin, McCain et al. NOT!
All critisism is not necessarily an either/ or issue as it is often summarized to be....Quote:
Originally Posted by kathy2trips
And watch for the 'smile' [[promised goodies and bigger helpful government programs for all) that hides a frown [[debt 'can' being kicked further down the road).Quote:
Originally Posted by RickBeall
Right! Even the previous love-fest that extended is starting to wane... not that I am a CNN fan [[I am not), but I just bring them up as one of many examples of disquiet and dissipation in the ever loyal Obama media bubble - NOT just from the usual Fox news, Townhall crowd...Quote:
Originally Posted by kathy2trips
Hah! That so...:rolleyes:! IMO more black people should check out the conservative news perspective.
We are considered a 'captive' audience of the dems... and as the worldview therein is that the right-wing is the quintessential and 'exclusive' delivery mode of all things bad [[current and upcoming) in the black community we might want to know the detailed plans!
For ourselves... So as to have the 'heads-up' at least!
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Originally Posted by Jimaz
Jimaz, Interesting. I went to the Huffington Post article when I got frustrated with Colbert. What Huffington reported was that for every Black person watching Fox news, 4.6 watch CNN News, and 5 watch MSNBC news.
Please tell me how Obama is a socialist?Quote:
Originally Posted by kathy2trips
That kind of talk is exactly why Obama has to keep telling folks he inherited this mess from Bush.
Right except it wouldn't have happen if Rick [[wonder boy) Waggoner had stayed around. Obama rightly made his leaving a condition of the loan. And he made Chrysler partner up to get there loan, so I guess the auto industry didn't completely bail themselves out.Quote:
Originally Posted by jerrytimes