Parking meter hours extended to 10 p.m. Tues.-Sat.

Most of the coverage of this story has focused on the parking amnesty, but the extended hours mark quite a major change and, I think, are going to stir up a whole lot of controversy inasmuch as many evening users of street parking downtown can't easily get out to feed a meter [[if they're going to sports events, for example). Some have wondered whether the city can enforce this, but enforcement has never been a problem with these folks :o Any opinions?

http://www.freep.com/article/2011061...you-pay-up-now

Seems gentle proof that someone is recognizing that downtown has a nightlife!


If they have the 'boot trucks' running for the same hours, expect to see some friction. Those folks are going to want high-risk pay.


I wonder why they stopped at ten?!


This is only a cash grab. Nothing more, nothing less.

you would think to encourage evening and weekend traffic it would be 6 p.m. and n/c sat and sunday.

So night running meter checkers? Great. Another deterrent to wanting to do anything in the city.

It must have been the parking lot lobbyist who helped put this in place! :)

so "parking wars detroit" will have nighttime footage now?

Detroit is so "user" friendly.

That's all this is. So the Sports fans who grab street parking will get an automatic ticket. Street parking becomes effectively impossible during a sports games - a Tigers game runs from 7ish till around 10 and most meters only allow you to pay for two hours. Do the math.
This city is seriously the biggest pile of shit. Instead of providing incentives for people to come here [[or live her, work here...) the city will instead kick you to the curb and take your wallet. Meanwhile, that may literally happen to you while you're here. It's a sham. This city is dead.
Nightlife? What nightlife? The Park Bar and then some clubs where there's a shooting every week? I've lived here for years and never experienced anything that passes for a nightlife, except during special events.

Very short-sighted and downright stupid! For every dollar they get in parking revenue or tickets, we'll lose two dollars in goodwill. And this city needs to preserve every bit of goodwill it can get, because, ultimately that turns into dollars.

This is just a lame attempt to do a "gotcha" on those who don't know about the new rules. I rarely need to park in the CBD, but if I had been familiar with the old policy and then got zapped with a ticket, I'd be spitting mad. Are they going to post large signs to alert everybody to the policy change? Probably not. It's worse than a speed trap!!

And it pissed me off that the best the Freep could do is probably just copy the press release sent out by the city. This should have it's own story, not just get buried in one paragraph of an entirely different topic. But that's why I don't go to the newspapers for local news anymore. I come here.

Yeah, you might as well head out to Royal Oak for night life where you expect the night time parking meter troll [[patrol)...

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Very short-sighted and downright stupid! For every dollar they get in parking revenue or tickets, we'll lose two dollars in goodwill. And this city needs to preserve every bit of goodwill it can get, because, ultimately that turns into dollars.

This is just a lame attempt to do a "gotcha" on those who don't know about the new rules. I rarely need to park in the CBD, but if I had been familiar with the old policy and then got zapped with a ticket, I'd be spitting mad. Are they going to post large signs to alert everybody to the policy change? Probably not. It's worse than a speed trap!!

And it pissed me off that the best the Freep could do is probably just copy the press release sent out by the city. This should have it's own story, not just get buried in one paragraph of an entirely different topic. But that's why I don't go to the newspapers for local news anymore. I come here.

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That's all this is. So the Sports fans who grab street parking will get an automatic ticket. Street parking becomes effectively impossible during a sports games - a Tigers game runs from 7ish till around 10 and most meters only allow you to pay for two hours. Do the math.
This city is seriously the biggest pile of shit. Instead of providing incentives for people to come here [[or live her, work here...) the city will instead kick you to the curb and take your wallet. Meanwhile, that may literally happen to you while you're here. It's a sham. This city is dead.
Nightlife? What nightlife? The Park Bar and then some clubs where there's a shooting every week? I've lived here for years and never experienced anything that passes for a nightlife, except during special events.

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This is a detterent to Downtown Detroit. I don't think Dave Bing understands PR.

First, he talks about shutting down the festivals [[Downtown Hoedown and the Electronic Music Festival).

Now, increasing parking meter times to 6 pm.

A few years ago I went to Downtown Birmingham and spent 50 cents for all day.

Detroit does not have a vibrant Downtown area. There is no shopping in Downtown Detroit and the City increases parking fines. Insane!

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This is a detterent to Downtown Detroit. I don't think Dave Bing understands PR.

First, he talks about shutting down the festivals [[Downtown Hoedown and the Electronic Music Festival).

Now, increasing parking meter times to 6 pm.

A few years ago I went to Downtown Birmingham and spent 50 cents for all day.

Detroit does not have a vibrant Downtown area. There is no shopping in Downtown Detroit and the City increases parking fines. Insane!

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Bing is a sociopath who knew how to play basketball, little else, and managed to live long. Enough to be Mayor of Detroit. I never voted for him.

All points above are SO valid. I am having a hard time understanding this. Ok most baseball games go for what 3-4 hours and the maximum amount of hours you can pay for are two hours. Well the math definitely doesn't add up, because now what you are going to see is A. people running out during the 6/7th inning to pump more quarters into the meters or B. a lot of parking tickets. Nice incentive to get people downtown. Second, now correct me if I am wrong, but are the parking nazis actual workers of the city of Detroit or are they outsourced? I have heard in the past that they are not direct employees of the city. Cest la vie Detroit! :cool:

This is a part of the non forward thinking that the leaders of detroit are guilty of. This will cancel some of the nightlif

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This is a part of the non forward thinking that the leaders of detroit are guilty of. This will cancel some of the nightlif

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LOL Royal Oak and Ferndale enforce til 10pm 6 nights a week and you can't find a place to park. Just ignore things like that and keep thinking Detroit is the center of the universe

Cant have your cake and eat it too.

If Detroit has a nightlife, then you want more cops and other services which cost money. Also costs money to pick up the trash you throw on the ground because you obviously have disdain and disrespect for the city and don't think it warrants a few bucks to park in a lot.

Detroit is deterring people by actually having parking meters like other big cities? Maybe the City doesn't realize that it should be begging for you to hang out for 25 cents and lucky that you decided to grace it during your sporting event.

Go park at Compuware for $5. I'm sure 1/10th less beer won't hurt you.

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All points above are SO valid. I am having a hard time understanding this. Ok most baseball games go for what 3-4 hours and the maximum amount of hours you can pay for are two hours. Well the math definitely doesn't add up, because now what you are going to see is A. people running out during the 6/7th inning to pump more quarters into the meters or B. a lot of parking tickets. Nice incentive to get people downtown. Second, now correct me if I am wrong, but are the parking nazis actual workers of the city of Detroit or are they outsourced? I have heard in the past that they are not direct employees of the city. Cest la vie Detroit! :cool:

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First of all they aint going to let you leave Comerica Park during the 7th inning to feed the meter.

I bet Illitch is behind this, as a way to force more people to use his parking lots around Comerica Park.

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So night running meter checkers? Great. Another deterrent to wanting to do anything in the city.

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Yes that's why Royal Oak, Ferndale, & Ann Arbor are all dead zones. Parking regulations, always killing my nightlife!

Right. Once you're in can't leave. These people will be sitting ducks for the tickets while at the game -- the fix will be in. Some will endure the 'tickets' for a while then just stop coming or use paid lots.

What would be smart is for the city to 'convert' the meters by these venues to 4 hour models then the city can get all the "quarters" and not loose more visitors and goodwill. Thankfully I don't work downtown or go to games but this will effect events at the Fox, Opera House, Filmore etc. Parking in the lots is the best bet for dealing with downtown Detroit and WSU area.

Perhaps the car 'smash and grab' thieves will be less motivated knowing they are being observed by the meter folks. That is a positive.

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First of all they aint going to let you leave Comerica Park during the 7th inning to feed the meter.

I bet Illitch is behind this, as a way to force more people to use his parking lots around Comerica Park.

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Perhaps the car 'smash and grab' thieves will be less motivated knowing they are being observed by the meter folks. That is a positive.

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That is pure fantasy, darlin', but I appreciate your enthusiasm.

It is MUCH more likely that they'd learn to look at meters paid up for a full four hours and KNOW for certain their owners weren't going to be back anytime soon.

Until the Meter Monsters are paid incentive to watch for crime, they will be blind to it. It is simply not their yob, meng.

It is time to republicize the parking department, anyways...bring that shit back into the realm of the police department, exactly SO these folks can become eyes and ears to bring police response where they see a need.

As long as it remains privatized, and some entity is allowed to skim profits off the top of all this, we will continue to have troubles. I am quite suspect there is a feedback loop that keeps this status quo empowered...some policital donation tool which funds those who promise to keep it in place. Too much money being made by a company that is doing the work of the city government.


Cheers and more,
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Yes that's why Royal Oak, Ferndale, & Ann Arbor are all dead zones. Parking regulations, always killing my nightlife!

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You can leave 34 cents in your cupholder in these cities, and it will most likely be there upon your return instead of a smashed window. You can also park a Chrysler without an alarm, and it will probably stay put. Your catalytic convertor will probably not grow legs and run on down to the scrapyard, and you probably don't need to worry about purchasing wheel locks for OEM rims on your 98 Cavalier. If someone assaults you, you can call the police and they will respond quickly. For someone not accustomed to the challenges of Detroit, a late-night parking ticket on an almost empty street is a slap in the face and a nail in the coffin.

Absolutely, Miles. Great post!

No. This is not a nail in the coffin. That is a silly statement. The only possible result of this will be more parking in the casino lots [[which are free).

Detroit is acting like a normal city. It will be alright.

They could sell a yearly city parking pass even if 50% purchased the combined revenue of the pass sales and savings only having to enforce the other percentage could add up.

Or maybe it is opening the door for someone to hook of with some of those empty vacant lot owners and offer a valet service with strategically placed kiosks.

Won't happen, Richard. Nice ideas, though.

The system is GEARED for excessive collections which makes them more relatively untraceable money than these passes EVER will...what is their motivation for doing what you propose?!


The private lots are 'connected' to the power structure of this city, and strive to stay that way. They know they are one legislative move away from being outlawed...heck, they are in COMPETITION with city-owned parking operations!!!! [[and this privately-held racket we're discussing here as well...)


Are you familiar with the term 'baksheesh'?! It doesn't always imply bribing to get OUT of something problematic, as far as I know it is also bribery to stay INTO a generous situation. Friendly, though, in the name of a 'tip' or gratuity or gift or donation...but they are bribes, pure and simple.

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LOL Royal Oak and Ferndale enforce til 10pm 6 nights a week and you can't find a place to park. Just ignore things like that and keep thinking Detroit is the center of the universe

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You can run out of your shitty, Ikea-furnished yuppie bar in Royal Oak or Ferndale to feed a meter and come back to your Appletini. You can't just up and leave Joe Louis, Comerica Park, or Ford Field to do that.

if they are going to do this they should upgrade the parking meter situation. Is there such a thing as a parking meter card system. Put money on the card and slide it at the meter. Pay for the amount of time you plan on staying ahead of time.

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First of all they aint going to let you leave Comerica Park during the 7th inning to feed the meter.

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Actually, you can leave Comerica Park during the 7th inning. There are certain gates, mostly the ones along Witherell & Montcalm where you can exit & gain re-entry. You MUST have your ticket scanned on the way out, or else you can't get back in. Of course this bears on if you are timing the meter & aren't to wrapped up in the game to remember to feed it. I might to get a ticket if Verlander's pitching a good game.

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You can run out of your shitty, Ikea-furnished yuppie bar in Royal Oak or Ferndale to feed a meter and come back to your Appletini. You can't just up and leave Joe Louis, Comerica Park, or Ford Field to do that.

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Wow. that coming from the one who said:

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Nightlife? What nightlife? The Park Bar and then some clubs where there's a shooting every week? I've lived here for years and never experienced anything that passes for a nightlife, except during special events.

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so, you DON'T want a nightlife? or you DO want a nightlife so long as no one is allowed to serve appletinis? and/or keeps it "real" enough for your particular standards.

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Wow. that coming from the one who said:



so, you DON'T want a nightlife? or you DO want a nightlife so long as no one is allowed to serve appletinis? and/or keeps it "real" enough for your particular standards.

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I'm saying the nightlife in Metro Detroit - city and suburbs - blows compared to real cities, for all the usual reasons. This is just yet another crappy thing to happen.

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I'm saying the nightlife in Metro Detroit - city and suburbs - blows compared to real cities, for all the usual reasons. This is just yet another crappy thing to happen.

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on the list of things keeping the area from being a "real city", ticketing until 10 is pretty f'ing far down on the list. Minor annoyance? maybe. reason for not coming down town? only if you're looking for excuses.

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You can run out of your shitty, Ikea-furnished yuppie bar in Royal Oak or Ferndale to feed a meter and come back to your Appletini. You can't just up and leave Joe Louis, Comerica Park, or Ford Field to do that.

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Tiger fans don't seem to have a problem finding parking during day games. I'll second bailey this is a minor annoyance at best.

Here's an idea: Park in one of the gazillion dirt-fucking-cheap parking lots or structures throughout downtown Detroit -- it's probably cheaper to do that than feed a meter for the duration of a Tigers game anyway! People complain about the dumbest shit on here sometimes...

I usually just take the bus in instead. I dont really like to drive anywhere when I dont have to.

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Here's an idea: Park in one of the gazillion dirt-fucking-cheap parking lots or structures throughout downtown Detroit -- it's probably cheaper to do that than feed a meter for the duration of a Tigers game anyway! People complain about the dumbest shit on here sometimes...

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Right. One of my buddies from NYC says that yes, there's no place like New York and there is no comparison, but everything "back home" is so freakin' expensive. She and other friends can't believe how cheap the COD is. Recently a buddy from LA was so enthused about how cheap our opera tickets were until they got two for the price of one, and invited me along. It's the same with other friends from alpha cities. If they read this thread about Detroiters being overcharged for parking, they'd laugh their heads off.

Look, folks. I feel your pain. My mantra back in the day was "I do not pay for parking in Detroit." One of my many spots 5-10 years ago was under the People Mover near Library Street. No one seemed to think to park there, and after Compuware was built I never had any problems with smash & go. Now there are meters there. Used to be able to park in Midtown/WSU area all over the place for free. I even figured out how to park for free during Super Bowl. Buddies and sorority sisters called me The Parking Queen throughout my 20s.

Now, not only are things not free, I can't even find parking in a lot of places during times when I'd like to go. This is a new problem for the city, and a good thing. You're not supposed to find free or cheap and easily available parking in the "coolest" spots. Parking and driving is supposed to be a hassle in major cities... and that's why most cities have public transit options.

If paying an extra $2 or $3 to park downtown is going to prevent you from coming downtown, I'm highly doubtful you'd be spending any money in town anyway. And you can find parking for $5 or even less lots of places downtown where you don't have to worry about smash and grabs like you would at a meter. Good luck finding parking in Chicago for $5 for ONE HOUR. The last time I was there, it was $15 an hour.

This is Detroit acting like every other city- if there is enough demand for metered parking until 10 pm that they can charge for it, why shouldn't they?

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Here's an idea: Park in one of the gazillion dirt-fucking-cheap parking lots or structures throughout downtown Detroit -- it's probably cheaper to do that than feed a meter for the duration of a Tigers game anyway! People complain about the dumbest shit on here sometimes...

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One you no longer have the option to park on the street for free we will see how long the parking stays dirt cheap.

All in all this will end up being much ado about nothing. I believe there always has technically been some sort of Saturday enforcement and every once in a while they write tickets and everyone gets upset. In particular I am thinking of a Wings game where they wrote tickets outside of the normal hours of enforcement and everyone whined and cried. Over the long term I can't really see them adding 30+ more hours a week of enforcement once the majority of people start parking in lots. The program will be unsustainable. They will probably use this to enforce during select events or for a couple of hours after 6pm Tu - F on occasion. That sort of makes it worse since it will appear to be arbitrary.

This is a crazy complaint. Parking costs money. A ticket because you let your meter expire is not a slap in the face. It's simple law enforcement. And we need more of it.

And complaining about expired meters during sporting events is ridiculous. There's are not 17000 street meters within walking distance of Joe Louis. Or 40000 near Ford Field. That's why we have structures and lots. And that why the people mover is packed before and after games.

If you're bitching about not being able to park at a meter for a game, you're a cheapskate. And I seriously doubt you're going to many games and buying 9 dollar beers. Oh that's right - you're probably paying 7.50 a beer and not tipping.

This isn't about who is cheap. This is about what's practical. The city has, for as long as I can remember, never enforced meters in the evenings and on Saturdays. Yes, the city is in dire straits and needs all the cash it can muster. But how is this going to generate any reasonable amount of money? As has been pointed out, it will be nearly impossible to park at a meter during a sporting event. So, the majority of street spots will probably stay empty. Again, I wonder if this will be well publicized and will signs be prominently placed on all meters so people unaccustomed to the change in policy will be aware of it before they get a ticket?

Then there are the scores of bars and other businesses that struggle to stay open at night on non-event days. Many people won't care at all about plugging a meter with a few quarters while they grab a pop at their favorite pub. But I'm betting the extra hassle will tip a few more away from a spontaneous stop on the way home. The city won't benefit that much, because the private company that runs the parking dept will get their hefty cut. But the parking lots around the CoPa and JLA certainly will [[read: Ilitich).

In all the years I've lived downtown, I've heard every ridiculous excuse for not coming here. Do you really think people won't add this one to the list?

Ok, I am down for that, and fo' sho' Chi-town is higher... Go that... but I resent the coy "got cha" thing of a zillion 1 hour meters at venues which by definition require more time... that's not getting the city anywhere. I pay to park and park to pay but I am not doing a one hour parking meter for a an event lasting three and whoa to the person who does.

And many of these so called pay or 'monitored' free event parking lots public and private are not SAFE> AS I said elsewhere, I was at Chene Park recently and a friends Chrysler product was vandalized along with several others during an extended event...

Perhaps it's just best to catch the bus downtown and call it a day... LOL! No driving is preferred even with the parking issues and storm-trooper meter folks eyeballing the meters......

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If paying an extra $2 or $3 to park downtown is going to prevent you from coming downtown, I'm highly doubtful you'd be spending any money in town anyway. And you can find parking for $5 or even less lots of places downtown where you don't have to worry about smash and grabs like you would at a meter. Good luck finding parking in Chicago for $5 for ONE HOUR. The last time I was there, it was $15 an hour.

This is Detroit acting like every other city- if there is enough demand for metered parking until 10 pm that they can charge for it, why shouldn't they?

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The fix is in... keeping it on the 'low-low' for a while will generate a sweep of violations especially upon the 'suburbanites' who will park and not put in any coins unaware of the new D-troit meter monitoring policy. They along with Detroiters will pay their first round of ticket generating some fast revenue [[or pocket lining), then other choices will be made.

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This isn't about who is cheap. This is about what's practical. The city has, for as long as I can remember, never enforced meters in the evenings and on Saturdays. Yes, the city is in dire straits and needs all the cash it can muster ...I wonder if this will be well publicized and will signs be prominently placed on all meters so people unaccustomed to the change in policy will be aware of it before they get a ticket?

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sorry folks...go to any major city and try to find any person coming into the that city to enjoy a nite or day in that city for a long period of time and pay street parking for their
3 or 4 hours of fun, does not happen,,,they pay long term at lots.
street parking is for short term only!
party store, deli, pick-up something!!!
visit the east coast cities!

I would without hesitation pay the $15 to park in downtown NYC because as a destination it would be worth it and even if I was to cheap to actually buy anything at the very minimum I would be one more warm body with a set of eyes that would deter those who wish make it difficult for others enjoying what the city has to offer.

But it is typical,instead of the city fixing the currant system and knowing where the problems are it is better to bring in more funds to throw at something so eventually it will get to the point where the incoming is more then the waste.

In theory you could put toll plazas coming into the city and say if you are to cheap to pay,lets just say $20, then you do not to enter the city.

People are not "bitching" it is a valid issue that is brought up in every city and it is kinda along the lines of adding taxes,a penny here a penny there and at the end of the year it adds to the cost of living and what is received in return for those costs and is the city worth living in comparatively.

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I would without hesitation pay the $15 to park in downtown NYC because as a destination it would be worth it and even if I was to cheap to actually buy anything at the very minimum I would be one more warm body with a set of eyes that would deter those who wish make it difficult for others enjoying what the city has to offer.

But it is typical,instead of the city fixing the currant system and knowing where the problems are it is better to bring in more funds to throw at something so eventually it will get to the point where the incoming is more then the waste.

In theory you could put toll plazas coming into the city and say if you are to cheap to pay,lets just say $20, then you do not to enter the city.

People are not "bitching" it is a valid issue that is brought up in every city and it is kinda along the lines of adding taxes,a penny here a penny there and at the end of the year it adds to the cost of living and what is received in return for those costs and is the city worth living in comparatively.

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Just a guess... But maybe the city increased the hours of parking enforcement because they do not want street parking spaces downtown to be used for long term parking? That's the point of having metered parking with time limits. If people are coming in and hogging spaces for 5 or 6 hours to go to a Tigers games then that's a parking spot that someone coming in for a 2 hour dinner cannot use. So from the perspective of the city, it's probably not so much a cash grab as they probably just prefer that you park in the garage if you plan to stay long term.

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This isn't about who is cheap. This is about what's practical. The city has, for as long as I can remember, never enforced meters in the evenings and on Saturdays. Yes, the city is in dire straits and needs all the cash it can muster. But how is this going to generate any reasonable amount of money? As has been pointed out, it will be nearly impossible to park at a meter during a sporting event. So, the majority of street spots will probably stay empty. Again, I wonder if this will be well publicized and will signs be prominently placed on all meters so people unaccustomed to the change in policy will be aware of it before they get a ticket?

Then there are the scores of bars and other businesses that struggle to stay open at night on non-event days. Many people won't care at all about plugging a meter with a few quarters while they grab a pop at their favorite pub. But I'm betting the extra hassle will tip a few more away from a spontaneous stop on the way home. The city won't benefit that much, because the private company that runs the parking dept will get their hefty cut. But the parking lots around the CoPa and JLA certainly will [[read: Ilitich).

In all the years I've lived downtown, I've heard every ridiculous excuse for not coming here. Do you really think people won't add this one to the list?

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lol as a former bartender. NO ONE has one or two drinks. OK maybe a person or two. Drunk driving anyone?

Give me a break. Everyone drives drunk.

Detroit has set itself up for drunk driving and so has 95% of America.

How boring a life. Can't even go have a few beers because you will be drunk driving out of the bar.

Meter costs are not the issue here. How many lives are endangered by irresponsible people and bars and drinking? About everyone that goes into a bar.

You can make it all cute that as a responsible citizen you go in for a drink then non-alcholic smoothies for chit chat there. Yeah right!

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Just a guess... But maybe the city increased the hours of parking enforcement because they do not want street parking spaces downtown to be used for long term parking?

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Absolutely. Street parking is limited. If you expect to park in the street for a 3-hour+ game, you're expectations are ridiculous. Parking costs money in all cities. In Dearborn, in the west entertainment district, they charge to park till 2:00 am on Friday night/Saturday morning. In today's world, charging till 10:00 is not unreasonable. The city owns the streets. Why should it provide free parking during the prime hours of 6 to 10? It doesn't matter that Detroit has never done it before. The city is finally catching up to the rest of the region. Isn't that progress?

Well that's a point. We'll just have to adjust. I just hope people find out about it soon. Old habits are hard to break for those anticipating the 6 PM cutoff for the meter folks... I don't do baseball or sports downtown anyhow so that will be a non-issue for me.

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Originally Posted by Chinman

sorry folks...go to any major city and try to find any person coming into the that city to enjoy a nite or day in that city for a long period of time and pay street parking for their
3 or 4 hours of fun, does not happen,,,they pay long term at lots.
street parking is for short term only!
party store, deli, pick-up something!!!
visit the east coast cities!

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That is pure fantasy, darlin', but I appreciate your enthusiasm.

It is MUCH more likely that they'd learn to look at meters paid up for a full four hours and KNOW for certain their owners weren't going to be back anytime soon.

Until the Meter Monsters are paid incentive to watch for crime, they will be blind to it. It is simply not their yob, meng.

It is time to republicize the parking department, anyways...bring that shit back into the realm of the police department, exactly SO these folks can become eyes and ears to bring police response where they see a need.

As long as it remains privatized, and some entity is allowed to skim profits off the top of all this, we will continue to have troubles. I am quite suspect there is a feedback loop that keeps this status quo empowered...some policital donation tool which funds those who promise to keep it in place. Too much money being made by a company that is doing the work of the city government.


Cheers and more,
John

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..the parking dept. is privatized?

anyway.. i just found out that the city's annual "amnesty" is going on now through July 1st.. people can pay their parking tickets for 50% off..

If you pay the ticket within 10 days, isn't it only a $10 ticket? Seems alot cheaper than the $20 parking signs surrounding the stadiums. Also it would be interesting to offer people who have tickets to major events downtown 50 cent bus rides in and out of the city to see if it helps the parking situtation considering that more than a quarter of downtown has been turned into a parking lot to satisfy the stadiums infrequent parking demands.