Gilbert thinks Detroit-Windsor deserved HQ2

"The billionaire founder and chairman of Quicken Loans Inc. and Rock Ventures LLC implied that brass from the Seattle-based company that, as of Thursday, had a market capitalization of $806 billion, didn't visit the city as it was mulling responses from more than 200 in North America late last year and early this year.

"We tell everybody, you just can't understand what's going on here unless you're on the ground," Gilbert said last week in an interview. "It doesn't matter what you say, or the videos you send."

https://www.crainsdetroit.com/real-estate/gilbert-thinks-detroit-windsor-deserved-hq2

How can you not agree with him. Detroit offers talent, affordable housing, available office space and a city Amazon can be part of growing just like they did in Seattle. The public transportation factor should never have been the disqualifier.

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How can you not agree with him. Detroit offers talent, affordable housing, available office space and a city Amazon can be part of growing just like they did in Seattle. The public transportation factor should never have been the disqualifier.

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The fact that Nashville is getting a 5K employee operations centers means transit was never a honest disqualifier.

Gilbert is saying what he has to say. The fact is we don't have enough assets to warrant it. No economic or political center [[NYC/D.C.) no qualified labor pool [[S.F./Austin/Pittsburgh) not sure on the incentives. Yes on fascinating story, cheap land and ability to wield significant local power. Of these three only one is unique to Detroit.

Detroit is rising, but its not there yet. We have to get education right.

One could argue that Gilbert was lucky we didn't get it. Amazon would have poached Gilbert's talent and the competition would surely have driven up wage costs.

Dodged a bullet by not getting HQ2

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Dodged a bullet by not getting HQ2

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Yeah, fuck high paying jobs! :rolleyes:

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Dodged a bullet by not getting HQ2

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Yeah, fuck the population boost :rolleyes:

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One could argue that Gilbert was lucky we didn't get it. Amazon would have poached Gilbert's talent and the competition would surely have driven up wage costs.

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Very true, though it may have been a temporary problem for him. It would no longer be Gilbertville either which he could welcome. It would have automatically brought tremendous value to his real estate holdings and allowed him to shy away from being Detroit's biggest private industry champion.

Has anyone heard Bezos talk? I'm surprised by his relatively quiet approach. More akin to the Waltons than Zuckerberg, Buffet and Jamie Dimon.

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Very true, though it may have been a temporary problem for him. It would no longer be Gilbertville either which he could welcome. It would have automatically brought tremendous value to his real estate holdings and allowed him to shy away from being Detroit's biggest private industry champion.

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And perfect timing to take advantage of the Auto downturn and layoffs.

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Has anyone heard Bezos talk? I'm surprised by his relatively quiet approach. More akin to the Waltons than Zuckerberg, Buffet and Jamie Dimon.

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I've seen Bezos in a total of one Amazom commercial [[the Super Bowl one from earlier this year), and he said maybe 3 words total.

Also, his speech at the DC Chamber of Commerce can be found on the internet.

That said, I will admit [[to my surprise) his voice does NOT align with his alpha-male look/mindset.

I am thinking to much,to fast.

The downside would have been skyrocketing real estate,good for those wanting to cash out,but not so much for those coming in and the amount of displacement would have been hard to absorb.

Gilberts rise has been slow and steady and still drew resentment from displacement,now imagine doing the same thing in 1 year?

Okay, the fact of the matter is that Metro Detroit didn't get it because it didn't deserve it. Otherwise it would have, yes? In terms of overall quality of life and education, Metro Detroit is not stellar by any metric.

If you cannot discern why New York and northern Virginia are more desirable locations for virtually every reason for a technology company or someone wishing to work for a technology company, then you likely have never left metro Detroit or have little awareness of those locations.

Gilbert also hires many relatively unskilled positions. Yes, there is definitely a solid technology side to his businesses but the core of it - mortgage banking - is sales, and they do the training. People literally come from delivering pizzas to slinging mortgages there after a few weeks of minimal training. So talent probably isn't a huge concern for him.

The solution is not to bitch about why they didn't locate here [[which, I think as some have pointed out, isn't some panacea) but to fix what is wrong with the region so people and jobs want to move here. Admittingly, I think there is some progress on this front, but a long way to go.

the regions racism possibly scared off Mr. Bezos. there's that, too. You don't have another metro region to gleefully bash the core city like here in the Metro D.

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How can you not agree with him.

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Because it involves huge tax incentives. We need to stop carving out special deals for corporations if you want to pay for things like pensions and parks.

Talk about being slow on the uptake... Isn't it obvious that the entire HQ2 "process" was a sham?

^ I agree but you have to give them credit for ingenuity.

They now have every large city in the US 5 and 10 year future growth plans,the financial stability of or in essence they had everybody begging to provide information that they would not be privy to as a private corporation just asking for incentives.

Or they data mined the heck out of the county in a year what would have taken them years to collect anyways.

It is like Google putting a help wanted sign out,no need to apply because they have all of your information anyways.

It has to be the biggest target marketing ruse to date.

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It has to be the biggest target marketing ruse to date.

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This x 10000. No chance this was ever coming here. Gilbert is saying what he needs to say to protect his investment.

People just need to stop feeding JeffCo.

There are other, better ways to buy.

I am in complete agreement with those who suggest this process was largely or completely a sham.

Realistically the kind of investments discussed by Amazon didn't require days, weeks or months of scoping out.

They are a process of years, that surely started some time ago.

Aside from gaining commercially useful information; and no end of free publicity; this may have been partially about where to locate/expand smaller secondary.......err...tertiary....errr.... quaternary offices.

To that point, Toronto got its consolation prize this morning. 600 engineering jobs.

This, btw, is an expansion of an existing Toronto office w/800 staff.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4772589/a...-toronto-jobs/

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Detroit didn't even make Amazon's top 20. Gilbert and Duggan were played and they're just trying to save face. NYC and DC were already Amazon's #2 and #3 satellite offices, so the ruse was just to rake proprietary intel and extort billions from locales those satellite offices were already in [[under threat they'd lose current/future jobs). It was a scam.

I encourage everyone to read this interesting NYT piece on Nashville, which is where Detroit's Jack White and Kid Rock have moved. It characterizes Nashville as a booming tier 2 or 3 American city – which makes Detroit, what, tier 4 or 5? Not good. We have a lot of catching up to do. Getting Oakland and Macomb to bankroll trains to nowhere is the least of the region's concerns.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/16/b...am-amazon.html

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When did Kid Rock move there? I thought he bought a mansion in Indian Village a while back.

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When did Kid Rock move there? I thought he bought a mansion in Indian Village a while back.

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He may have bought a mansion in "Joseph Berry" subdivision but that may only be his party crash pad when he is back in the Detroit area. He probably lives in Nashville. Also, Brad Keselowski, the NASCAR driver from Rochester, also lives down there.

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I am in complete agreement with those who suggest this process was largely or completely a sham.

Realistically the kind of investments discussed by Amazon didn't require days, weeks or months of scoping out.

They are a process of years, that surely started some time ago.

Aside from gaining commercially useful information; and no end of free publicity; this may have been partially about where to locate/expand smaller secondary.......err...tertiary....errr.... quaternary offices.

To that point, Toronto got its consolation prize this morning. 600 engineering jobs.

This, btw, is an expansion of an existing Toronto office w/800 staff.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4772589/a...-toronto-jobs/

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Congratulations to you guys! 600 high-paying jobs is fantastic.

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The fact that Nashville is getting a 5K employee operations centers means transit was never a honest disqualifier.

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Nashville is a lovely, thriving city. In the middle of the 20th century it was 1/10 the population of Detroit and is now...more populous! There are many, many ways besides transit that Nashville is more qualified, and a better quality place to live and work than Detroit.

I thought Kid Rock still lived out in Romeo, like Eminem still lives out in Rochester.

But if not, him living in Nashville is hardly a loss for Detroit.

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Nashville is a lovely, thriving city. In the middle of the 20th century it was 1/10 the population of Detroit and is now...more populous! There are many, many ways besides transit that Nashville is more qualified, and a better quality place to live and work than Detroit.

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To be fair, only Nashville city proper is bigger than Detroit city proper because they annexed all of Davidson County.

For now, Metro Detroit is still 2 to 3 times the size of Metro Nashville, but I gotta say, I'm seeing similar exponential growth signals in Nashville that Atlanta experienced back in the late 1970s.

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The fact that Nashville is getting a 5K employee operations centers means transit was never a honest disqualifier.

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5K employee "operations center" is nowhere near being in the same league as a 50K employee headquarters. One is literally 10x more than the other.

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Yeah, fuck high paying jobs! :rolleyes:

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How many billions of dollars in tax breaks, grants, and subsidies were you willing to shell out for those high-paying jobs? NYC and NY State shelled out $3 billion for half of a headquarters. Ask the people of Wisconsin if the billions they shelled out for Foxconn was worth it.

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5K employee "operations center" is nowhere near being in the same league as a 50K employee headquarters.

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No one said it was.

And how does that change the fact that transit was obviously never an honest disqualifier if Amazon selected a city with arguably worse transit than even Detroit for a large office?

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Ask the people of Wisconsin if the billions they shelled out for Foxconn was worth it.

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Low wage warehouse jobs are not equivalent to high paying tech jobs.

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How many billions of dollars in tax breaks, grants, and subsidies were you willing to shell out for those high-paying jobs? NYC and NY State shelled out $3 billion for half of a headquarters.

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NYC didn't "shell out" a penny. They have a blanket policy against direct corporate subsidies.

NY State offered billions, but all based on job counts [[they only get the full tax breaks if they hit 40,000 employees).

And most of the "subsidies" are just commercial tax breaks. NYC has, by far, the highest commercial property tax rates in the U.S., so Amazon will still be paying a lot more than in other jurisdictions.

I’m right next to “National Landing” in Northern Virginia and I can tell you all that VERY few people are excited about Amazon’s pending move to the area. Seems like the negatives will outweigh the positives for this region.

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Nashville is a lovely, thriving city.

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Ever been there? I have. It ain't that great. Lots of closed up malls and things.

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Ever been there? I have. It ain't that great. Lots of closed up malls and things.

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Every city in the US has malls that are closed or on their knees! Nashville itself is thriving quite nicely.

Nashville is awesome and has 10x the activity in the downtown core compared to Detroit. Probably more.

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And in the middle of nowhere, no less!

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It's the state capitol. It is very centrally located, at the interchanges of I-65, I-40 and I-24 and a major river port on the Cumberland River, the only way for river traffic from and to east of there.

Country Music is what put Nashville on the map. Without that so many years ago, it wouldn't be what it is today.

All that said, I'm not too far from there, but i avoid it.

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It's the state capitol. It is very centrally located, at the interchanges of I-65, I-40 and I-24 and a major river port on the Cumberland River, the only way for river traffic from and to east of there.

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Yeah, I wouldn't hardly call it in the middle of nowhere. In fact, its central location is part of the reason why Amazon picked it.

It's arguably the best day drive city in the country. You're just a several hour car ride from Atlanta, St. Louis, Indianapolis, Birmingham, Lousville, Cincinnati, Memphis, etc.

And it's only a 2 hour flight from most major cities in the country, at most [[not including the west coast).

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Yeah, fuck high paying jobs! :rolleyes:

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More like fuck the billions in subsidies to the richest man on earth.

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Ever been there? I have. It ain't that great. Lots of closed up malls and things.

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Of course I have been there. Yes, Metro Detroit has no "closed up malls and things."

Again, I would like to reiterate the point that a place that within living memory once had the population of Warren, and 1/10 that of Detroit, and now outpaces Detroit in population in every other measure. To scream about how terrible it is compared to metro Detroit is like extolling the virtues of the Ebola virus verses the common cold.

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Nashville is awesome and has 10x the activity in the downtown core compared to Detroit. Probably more.

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Wait, what? Nashville is super-sprawly and has a tiny, largely empty downtown. It has basically no transit usage or urban anything.

Don't think you've ever been to Nashville. It's a typical Sunbelt city. Looks like Commerce Township, but with hills.

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Wait, what? Nashville is super-sprawly and has a tiny, largely empty downtown. It has basically no transit usage or urban anything.

Don't think you've ever been to Nashville. It's a typical Sunbelt city. Looks like Commerce Township, but with hills.

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Its downtown is larger than Detroit's CBD.

The difference I see, anyway, is that the sprawl in the sunbelt is due to bona fide growth. Metro Detroit's sprawl is due to shuffling people around for 40 years and no growth. I don't care much for sprawl, but I can at least wrap my brain around it when you don't have 100 square miles of abandonment.

Amazing though how this thread has degenerated into "if you like Nashville you've obviously never been there." I bet people would say the same thing about Detroit...

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Its downtown is larger than Detroit's CBD.

The difference I see, anyway, is that the sprawl in the sunbelt is due to bona fide growth. Metro Detroit's sprawl is due to shuffling people around for 40 years and no growth. I don't care much for sprawl, but I can at least wrap my brain around it when you don't have 100 square miles of abandonment.

Amazing though how this thread has degenerated into "if you like Nashville you've obviously never been there." I bet people would say the same thing about Detroit...

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^^^He gets it.

BTW, Detroit has the worst jobs sprawl of any major city in the country according to Brookings. So it's no position to thumb its nose at the sprawl in other cities.

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...Don't think you've ever been to Nashville...

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When was the last time you've been to Nashville [[if ever)?

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Its downtown is larger than Detroit's CBD.

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What? Nashville has a tiny downtown compared to Detroit.

The relative size of U.S. cores is largely a function of metro size in the prewar era [[which is why, for example, Providence has a bigger core than Phoenix). Detroit was like 20x the size of Nashville, so obviously has a much larger urban core.

I actually find Nashville to be fairly attractive [[hilly, green, and the affluent areas are quite nice), but it's bizarre to see people extoll the alleged urban attributes. Even the core barely has sidewalks. The transit usage is basically zero. You're in postwar sprawl a mile from downtown.

And I can see why Amazon would prefer Nashville over Detroit, but certainly not for urban amenities. Nashville is the same type of city as Charlotte, Raleigh and Atlanta [[basically built for people who hate traditionally urbanity).

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When was the last time you've been to Nashville [[if ever)?

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About a half dozen times for work. I've probably spent a collective two months there over the last decade. Grand Rapids probably has a better core.

Maybe this helps explain why Detroit is such a mess. If people really think Nashville-type cities are the urban ideal, it would explain a lot re. our "urban" planning over the last few decades. No wonder people are cool with parking lots, stadia and convention centers.

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About a half dozen times for work...

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When was the last time? Meaning what year[[s).

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When was the last time? Meaning what year[[s).

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Summer 2018, but don't understand why it matters.

Nashville didn't have a bigger prewar core in Summer 2018 compared to, say, 1950. Unless you invent a time machine it isn't gonna have a sizable urban core, because it was small until the sprawly Sunbelt era.

It's the same reason Atlanta will never have a fraction of the downtown as, say, Philly, even if Atlanta grew to be bigger than Tokyo. You can't build prewar blocks anymore.

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What? Nashville has a tiny downtown compared to Detroit.

The relative size of U.S. cores is largely a function of metro size in the prewar era [[which is why, for example, Providence has a bigger core than Phoenix). Detroit was like 20x the size of Nashville, so obviously has a much larger urban core.

I actually find Nashville to be fairly attractive [[hilly, green, and the affluent areas are quite nice), but it's bizarre to see people extoll the alleged urban attributes. Even the core barely has sidewalks. The transit usage is basically zero. You're in postwar sprawl a mile from downtown.

And I can see why Amazon would prefer Nashville over Detroit, but certainly not for urban amenities. Nashville is the same type of city as Charlotte, Raleigh and Atlanta [[basically built for people who hate traditionally urbanity).

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Why are you going on this tangent about Nashville's urbanity.

Not a single person in this thread said Nashville is "urban ideal" [[whatever the hell that's supposed to mean).

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Summer 2018...

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Unless you're referring to Nashville, Michigan, I seriously doubt that.

In any event, my response above still applies.

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Why are you going on this tangent about Nashville's urbanity.

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Because we were talking about Nashville's core, obviously. What are we supposed to be talking about besides urbanity?

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Because we were talking about Nashville's core, obviously.

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Someome simply said Nashville's
downtown is more thriving/active than Detroit's, which I think any reasonable person would agree.

I still don't see where this whole tangent about urbanity came from...

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Someome simply said Nashville's
downtown is more thriving/active than Detroit's, which I think any reasonable person would agree.

I still don't see where this whole tangent about urbanity came from...

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Poobert said Nashville's downtown is bigger than Detroit's CBD, which set off Bham1982, who has a knack for derailing threads when he sees an opportunity to present a controversial opinion/trolling statement about one of his passions [[urbanity).

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Someome simply said Nashville's
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No reasonable person would agree with that... outside of Nashville tourist strip there is basically no activity and nowhere else to even walk.

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Poobert said Nashville's downtown is bigger than Detroit's CBD, which set off Bham1982, who has a knack for derailing threads when he sees an opportunity to present a controversial opinion/trolling statement about one of his passions [[urbanity).

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This poobert person was wrong.

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Someome simply said Nashville's
downtown is more thriving/active than Detroit's, which I think any reasonable person would agree.

I still don't see where this whole tangent about urbanity came from...

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Except no reasonable person would agree with this.

And how is urbanity a tangent from a discussion of city centers? I don't get it. There's essentially nothing else to discuss but urbanity.

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Poobert said Nashville's downtown is bigger than Detroit's CBD, which set off Bham1982, who has a knack for derailing threads when he sees an opportunity to present a controversial opinion/trolling statement about one of his passions [[urbanity)

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Even then, I still don't see what the size of a downtown has to do with urbanity.

The only other thing I can assume is the bolded.

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Maybe this helps explain why Detroit is such a mess. If people really think Nashville-type cities are the urban ideal, it would explain a lot re. our "urban" planning over the last few decades. No wonder people are cool with parking lots, stadia and convention centers.

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100% agree with you here. I've never been to Nashville, but I seriously doubt that it has better urban bona fides than Detroit.

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And how is urbanity a tangent from a discussion of city centers?.

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The extent of urbanity is mutually exclusive from how thriving/active a place is

According to Emporis Detroit has more population and the downtown is larger. I know we like to dump on Detroit, but the numbers hold a positive for Detroit. Gilbert does have a valid point, had they actually visited they would have seen a different side. Fact is Nashville is no where near the size or population of even Metro Detroit the only thing they might have over us is weather.

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This poobert person was wrong.

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I submit that this is tangential, but I used this tool [[https://www.daftlogic.com/projects-g...lator-tool.htm) to measure Nashville's downtown vs. Detroit's and they're virtually the same size with Nashville's being slightly larger. I also submit that downtown size is not a metric for urbanity. However in this brave new world we live in, I'm rather tired of dealing with "alternate facts" so I thought I would point out that I was not, in fact, wrong.

I kinda think Detroit/Windsor deserves better then HQ2.

If,deserves,is actually the right word to use?

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I kinda think Detroit/Windsor deserves better then HQ2.

If,deserves,is actually the right word to use?

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Maybe, but then I think your post deserves 'than' more than 'then'.

Nashville established itself as a conference destination and built a ton of hotels [[probably too many, at this point). All the names we fantasize about on this forum: Kimpton, Hilton Grand, Lowe's, Omni, Sheraton Grand, JW, and tons of boutique hotels. It's also a tourist destination with a giant bar, music and food scene year-round. Does Nashville have the industrial might that the Detroit Metro area has? No. But it's downtown is more vibrant by a mile.

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There's not really anything to agree or disagree with. Nashville city proper is booming – it is a fact it is one of the hottest and hippest cities in the US. Detroit proper has some good things going for it, but it is not in Nashville's stratosphere.

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That's great, and irrelevant.

The claim wasn't "Is Detroit sprawling more than Nashville" the claim was that Nashville was more urban than Detroit, which is absurd. Nashville is a booming Sunbelt town, with a tiny prewar core.

99% of DYes threads would be resolved if people would just read before responding.

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Does Nashville have the industrial might that the Detroit Metro area has? No. But it's downtown is more vibrant by a mile.

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Are people just trolling or ignorant? Not quite sure. Detroit had 20x the population of Nasvhille in the prewar era, and has the third or fourth largest prewar office core in the U.S. Nashville was about the size of Lansing in the prewar era.

Sterling Heights has a much better core than NYC, obviously. Commerce Township has a bigger downtown than Paris.

Any more idiocy, or is this thread pretty much done?

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Nashville established itself as a conference destination and built a ton of hotels [[probably too many, at this point). All the names we fantasize about on this forum: Hilton Grand, Lowe's, Sheraton Grand...

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Nashville has none of those.

But I do know that they're getting a Grand Hyatt [[thanks to Amazon), Four Seasons and Intercontinental.

And what makes you think they have too many? May I remind you they currently have nearly 8,000 tech/finance jobs in the pipeline, just had a major corporate HQ consolidation with nearly 2,000 jobs and recently landed a professional sports franchise?

And as far as individuals thumbing their nose at Nashville, it's funny how some things never change. People in Michigan were doing the same thing with Dallas and Atlanta back in the 1980s, and more recently, with Denver and Seattle.

I don't know why everyone is gushing about Nashville. I have been there a few times, pretty unimpressive if you ask me [[Obviously that is an opinion, I am sure it is the prefect place for some people). Great if you are a tourist who likes country music and mediocre live music.

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...the claim was that Nashville was more urban than Detroit...

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Again, not a single person in this thread made that claim.

I'm not sure why you love to make stuff up.

Nashville has a commuter rail line. Detroit does not.

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Are people just trolling or ignorant? Not quite sure. Detroit had 20x the population of Nasvhille in the prewar era, and has the third or fourth largest prewar office core in the U.S. Nashville was about the size of Lansing in the prewar era.

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Not sure why we're focusing on 'pre-war' but anywhoooo.

One thing most people don't realize is that the US District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan is one of the largest in the country. We knew it by the term 'Super Court' though I'm not sure that's an official designation. With 15 active District Judges, there are only about 6 or 7 larger and a couple tied.


Add in all the other large regional offices of Federal agencies and it's a pretty significant location for the US Government.

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Not sure why we're focusing on 'pre-war' but anywhoooo.

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In a discussion of urban cores, you're not clear why we're focusing on prewar development? Is this a serious statement?

There's nothing else to look at. It's like asking why are we talking about trees when the discussion is forests.

There's nothing to the inherent structure of U.S. urban cores outside of what existed prior to the auto age. The die was cast by the 1930's. Absolutely nothing has changed [[or will change) re. the relative size of urban cores, because that's when the pre-auto fabric ends.

It's why Royal Oak is different from Sterling Heights - RO had a pre-auto legacy. It's why Philly's core is still vastly larger/better than that of LA even though LA is gigantic and twice the size of Chicago by CSA. It's why NYC's core will never be remotely challenged, ever.

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Again, not a single person in this thread made that claim.

I'm not sure why you love to make stuff up.

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I love when people nakedly project. Good stuff.

Read the thread and get back to us.

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...Read the thread...

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Last I checked, I created this thread.

Why not stop trying to hijack my thread with stuff you're making up?

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Nashville has none of those.

But I do know that they're getting a Grand Hyatt [[thanks to Amazon), Four Seasons and Intercontinental.

And what makes you think they have too many? May I remind you they currently have nearly 8,000 tech/finance jobs in the pipeline, just had a major corporate HQ consolidation with nearly 2,000 jobs and recently landed a professional sports franchise?

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Ok, I misspoke calling the Hilton a "Grand" but the other hotels [[and the ones you seemingly left off of your quote, exist. Check your facts.

Lowe's: https://www.loewshotels.com/vanderbilt-hotel\
Sheraton Grand: https://www.marriott.com/hotels/trav...ille-downtown/

I also said they might have built too many because construction is slowing and rates are dropping. Amazon could factor into it, but hotel supply has caught up with demand.

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Ok, I misspoke calling the Hilton a "Grand"...

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Fair enough.

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I also said they might have built too many because construction is slowing and rates are dropping. Amazon could factor into it, but hotel supply has caught up with demand.

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Maybe you should check your facts.

If construction is slowing at all, it's for the same reason it's doing so in all sectors of the economy in every part of the country [[rising costs for financing and historically high material / "skilled" labor costs), *not* because of the lack of demand.

In fact, the below article from last week explains the main reason more conventions skipped Nashville this year is because it still lacks enough hotel rooms.

Yeah, there my be plenty more hotel rooms planned, but they mean nothing until they're actually built and available.

https://www.nashvillepublicradio.org...ences#stream/0

So between that, the fact that AllianceBernstein moving their HQ there with 1,100 new jobs, Bridgestone recently consolidated their NA HQ there with nearly 2,000 jobs, and firms like E&Y creating a ton of support roles [[at least 600), not to mention the fact that the airport remains of the fastest growing in the country, even with rates possibly dropping for the first time in 8 years [[but still well abivw the historical average), the demand for more hotel rooms isn't going to ebb any time soon.

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Last I checked, I created this thread.

Why not stop trying to hijack my thread with stuff you're making up?

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You still aren't reading. Read and learn. The conversation isn't hard to follow.

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You still aren't reading...

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And you're still hijacking my thread with stuff you're making up.

People don't really READ much here on Detroit Yes
- they post anything upon anything and whallaa Hijack.

It is one of the UN-nerving aspects of this forum I agree 313WX
Attempt to have a unique thread is damn near impossible