Originally Posted by
bailey
I've really tried not to post on this but I'm sorry, this one is just the last straw.
None of his points were awesome or compelling, neither are yours. They are misinformed and frankly repugnant.
You are not caring and good if you are in anyway upset by these rulings. Why? because you don't have that excuse anymore. It's been explained to you and your ilk over and over and over how you are wrong and how your "justifications" fail even the most deferential tests of constitutionality. There was a time where you could wring your hands and say..."well there are two sides". That time has passed. I'm sorry if this is "uncivil" but civility has been tried.
Ignorance is fine. People are uniformed on loads of topics. This is willful, deliberate obfuscation and denial of fact.
With regard to Public Accommodations laws, we have 60 years of precedent on the CRA and it's progeny in public accommodations laws. There is not now, nor has there ever been a "strongly held religious belief" exception to those laws.
End of Debate...its' settled law. .... frankly, I don't why I'm even responding as you've cited Brietbart. Clearly you have no intention of actually understanding the issue past partisan talking points desperately seeking to justify retrograde bigotry.
But for your information as you won't read this on Brietbart, Currently only a small minority of states protect sexual orientation under their PA laws. Michigan is not one of them.. those cupcake makers could move here and hang out a sign saying NO GAYS ALLOWED and be free to do so. Colorado, Oregon, California DO have those protections. This is not a difficult concept for anyone but religious fanatics, but when you hang out a shingle and do business in this country, you agree to play by certain rules. either play by them or quit. It's really that simple.
And before you spout off about churches being forced to perform marriages... stop it. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. No church has EVER been forced by the state to alter it's doctrine in the United States without a compelling state interest involved and that interest evaluated under the strictest of scrutiny. So...human sacrifice is off the table. Snake handling or not allowing Black people as members is fine [[see Mormon Church) or not sending your kids to school..all fine.
With regard to the ballot initiatives and the "will of the people", again it's very fucking simple. ... the US Constitution is the supreme law of this land. The people of the state of Michigan could get together and pass a law to re institute the ban on miscegenation or Jim Crow laws and could pass those laws by 99% and each time, their "unified voice" and "democratic vote" ...even if based on their strongly held religious beliefs about the mixing of the races... would be dismissed by the Federal Courts as a measure that violated the constitutional guarantees contained in the US Constitution.
But but...the will of the PEEEEEPle!?!? Get it through your heads that what you are advocating for is mob rule. We do not have that here. Primarily because the founding fathers understood that that the vast majority of the population were uneducated. they understood that sometimes a "majority" simply means all the stupid people are on the same side. Our entire system of government is geared to protect minority rights.
I don't get why this basic civics lesson is willfully ignored by you people.
You know what you sound like? Not to go all goodwins law here but you sound like a holocaust minimizer. "Hitler was a bad guy..we all agree...but even for his evil, good and decent people can recognize his contributions to society in the development of the auto bahn and the VW bug, and rocket technology. " I often wonder if you people actually listen to yourselves outside of your echochamber media feeds like Fox and RedSTae...et al. Seriously... come out of the bubble and look around. Its not at all scary.
There are NO good and decent people that think black people should be working in the fields or denied equal rights under the law. It took 100 years or so to get here on that point... I'm guessing due to the speed of information sharing these days, we'll cut that by 50 or so. Clearly the message has a deep set fortress of denial to penetrate.
In the end though, you will be looked back on as those "good and decent" folks that stood for segregation. You'll be looked at with pity and wonderment at sheer commitment to your staggering, and willful ignorance.