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Detroitnerd
Yes, I'm serious. I'm relying on international research, market research on millennials, economic statistics and a consensus among urban planners. You, in turn, are relying on anecdotal statements from some people you know? That's silly, Bailey.
look, I'm relating what people who are actually on the ground, investing and working there are saying. those who can, do...those who can't, teach. Right Dr. Florida?
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Florida himself, in his role as an editor at
The Atlantic, admitted last month what his critics, including myself, have said for a decade: that the benefits of appealing to the creative class accrue largely to its members—and do little to make anyone else any better off. The rewards of the “creative class” strategy, he notes, “flow disproportionately to more highly-skilled knowledge, professional and creative workers,”
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That's a false choice. Downtown is coming along nicely without a new hockey arena ... that is, except for the land that Ilitch is basically squatting to build upon. If this is nothing, give me all of it.
You mean the Downtown with a CoPa and a Ford Field where before there was an empty warehouse and surface lots? That downtown?
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There are so many assumptions underlying this statement that it's difficult to take it seriously. You seem to be reverse-engineering a plan out of the circumstance. You know what will fill in the CBD? Development will. Real development, resulting from developers plunking down their billions of dollars once they know the area will be the hub of a regional rapid transit system. If it doesn't happen, maybe it is because so many people, such as yourself, seem to believe it will never happen. There are such things as self-fulfilling prophecies, you know.
Again, can only take the cards that are dealt. Waiting for the Angel of Mass Transit to come down and bless this region with some appreciation for it is a recipe for 35 more years of stagnation and brain drain. Maybe giving more of the region more of a reason to come downtown more often will plant that idea of ...hey, wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have to drive there?
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Anyway, I don't know why you're getting so worked up about this, Bailey.
I'm not in any way, shape or form "worked up". I think you're willifully ignoring reality.
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The plan you support is a bad one, the reasons you offer to support it are a jumble of half-baked assumptions and anecdotal musings, the things you dismiss are vitally important and the view underlying all this is about 20 years out of date.
Ok. Fine.. So what is the realistic alternative? what should be done exactly? Seize all of Illitch's property, build 1,000,000 square feet of office and residential on spec and hope someone shows up? do a brick for brick rebuild of Hudsons?
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Rest assured, that sector of downtown will be completely demolished on the taxpayer's dime,
It's ALREADY demolished. Its a dead Parrot. We're not talking about tearing down Penn Station to put up MSG. We're talking about getting something built on an urban wasteland of surface lots and blighted property.
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an unholy complex of parking garages and a giant stadium will go up on a superblock,
This is not what I want to happen. I would like something not stupid. I'm cautiously optimistic lessons have been learned.
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The bad ideas always win. Because the people with the money and political connections ensure that they do.
Yup.
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And because people can't help but cheerlead for the stuff they're expertly programmed to do.
Or leave.
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But just because this forum has a lot of intelligent people who enjoy talking about what a bad idea it is and why it should be stopped, don't despair.
Wonder what would happen if half as much time was spent doing something about it instead of moving out?