We who have paid into Medicare own the promised benefits. The only solution is to freeze benefits for the owners or offer a voluntary equitable buyout, and phase the entitlement out for new enrollment.
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We who have paid into Medicare own the promised benefits. The only solution is to freeze benefits for the owners or offer a voluntary equitable buyout, and phase the entitlement out for new enrollment.
Who said anything about decreasing benefits? I was talking about decreasing what we pay for those benefits. I'm don't know what you were talking about.
Who said? Obama's budget and the reform bill...cuts of over 500 Billion for starters...THAT IS WHO SAID.
As it happens, I'm not discussing Obama's position. I'm discussing my proposal.
As should you be, but you keep bringing in extraneous and irrelevant information to bolster your non-answer.
So I'll reframe my question, yet again: Based upon your assertion that healthcare cost is held artificially high by government intervention through Medicare, does it not follow that if we reduced Medicare payments to providers the entire cost structure would go down?
show us.
it is not Obama's, it is the Blue Dog plan, initially proposed, btw, by a republican in the senate finance committee, similar to the republican 1997 "SGR" program that caused many docs to stop seeing medicare patients. There ARE cuts in medicare -- the largest aimed at cutting payment for retreating patients that keep returning because of hospital/clinic misdiagnosis or wrong treatment choice.
No...guess again, in his speech to the congress he deceptively referred to the 500 billion in savings being from fraud and waste...don't you know when a conman is selling you a load of crap wrapped in a bow?
Last I checked the only Republican [[in name only) to vote in favor of these cuts was Olympia Snowe...and she did not propose the bill, just sold out and voted to pass it out of committee.
my guess? you never checked. evidently, judging only from what you have posted here, you are against rooting out fraud, etc?
don't know if anyone posted this yet, but go Al go!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jG2Vp9XKDc
damn i wish i coulda voted for him
OK...now I have checked, the only Republican on the committee voting for it was Snowe as I said. Happy now Rb? Happy enough to admit that you were wrong [[as you were)?
voting for this bill [[S1796) is not what the issue was, Bats. these cuts have been proposed in many forms, many times over the years, almost always proposed/supported by republicans. the cuts proposed in S1796 were proposed by a republican who did not vote for the bill
Sounds like ccBatson is admitting that the insurance companies are colluding with the government and the health care providers to set price ranges, and specific prices when you get to DRG/ICD-9 categorization of people's woes and translate that into a fixed price [[regardless of provider or patient).
Not much room for the patient to negotiate providers [[or insurers for that matter).
They wrote a bill and then didn't vote for it? Stupid and suspicious....what is your source Rb? what does "almost always" mean? What other provisions are attached to the proposals now that were not when originally proposed? Where they vote now IS what is important, not some vague past proposals uder different circumstances.
The point is moot. We're getting a public option, just as I predicted. And it was woven in brilliantly.
Now the states will have to "opt out" if they don't want to participate in covering the uninsured.
Leave it to the states to determine if they really want to participate.
LOL!!!!
This is gonna get good. Can't wait to see the flaling and head spinning the Rethuglicans are going to go through.
All states I predict will join in- eventually. The majority will initially. You'll have a few fascist hold-outs like Utah, Montana, Texas, Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia, Indiana.
I'll be applauding from my front row seat at the short-circuiting of the Reich when this policy takes hold.
Popcorn anyone? :eek:
"Trust the Gorton's Fisherman"
Okay, so I was off by a letter.
now you are catching on -- stupid and suspicious is a perfect description of the Republicans in congress. My source? i'll give you your very own stock answer -- i'm not going to do YOUR homework for you. It isn't my problem that you only get your info from long-discredited sources
Didn't happen....besides, you already admitted as much in your waffling comments in #87 above. Thanks for playing, better luck next time.
anyone else see any waffling in #87? didn't think so
must be the Rand Vision again
LOL!!!
That is priceless!
Though it did cost the brains of thousands of zombie-like followers- you know who you are!
Three cheers for a public option! :cool:
I'd give you four cheers for a single payer system. :[[
Rand Vision goggles c. 2008 JohnLodge
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As a result, the program would reduce deficits by $72 billion during the 10-year budget window and would reduce them by a smaller amount in the ensuing decade
http://tinyurl.com/yhjgsjx
I can't wait to hear the right wing spin on how thats a bad thing.