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Sure we have a lot to offer...but it's all spread the hell out. Now let's say I live in Grosse Pointe and if I wanted to go to Cranbrook during the day, go shopping at Great Lakes Crossing, and go see a sports game downtown...I'm spending how many hours driving?? Young people don't want to live in the sprawling wasteland that is SE MI, first of all.
Ok, but just because there IS sprawl, does that mean it's the only option? For instance, that hike out to Cranbrook is just as far for anyone in detroit as it is for GPers...right? Are we mad that there is a GP or are we to be mad at the Booths for building their manor home way out there? And really, how many times a year are we needing to go to Cranbrook. it's all of 45 minutes from GP. How long does it take to get across town in Chicago?
Why if you live in GP/detroit/inner ring are you going to Great Lakes crossing when there are plenty of options south of that? And are you really saying it's difficult to get downtown from GP/ RO/Ferndale or other inner rings to go to games or downtown?
I understand if the issue were Romeo, but it's not like that is the issue. There are plenty places that "young" creative hipsters can and do live around here, what there is a lack of is young, creative JOBS.
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Does anyone think a young creative, "hip" person wants to live in Novi?
No. but,again, why is Novi the ONLY option?
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Then let's flip that - does a young person want to raise a family in the warzone Detroit? [[yes, young people do think about having families eventually)
40 years of flight would indicate that is also a "no". This is not an issue exclusive to Detroit... also, every suburb is not Troy.
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Why do we need a great, world class city when we have places like...Livonia! Canton! Sterling Heights!
That isn't the question. The question is why here are they mutually exclusive. I mean show me a major world class city in the US that ISN't surrounded by sprawl. Why is Detroit a doughnut hole?
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Of course the boomers scream, "BUT THE SUBURBS HAVE GOOD SCHOOLS! SAFE! NO BLACKS!"
Setting aside the tarring of a generation as racists ...and also ignoring the mass exodus of blacks from Detroit for the same reason. people want decent services, police and fire resposnse times measured in minutes not days, and walkable streets. Detroit figures out a way to provide those things and it will compete for residents.
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Not the same value system as the younger generation.
I agree. Which is why RO, Ferndale, Birmingham,..etc are doing relatively well [[in this shitty economy) and places like sterling heights, warren and and troy are floundering. We don't want to live on a cul du sac inside a maze of a subdivision. but that doesn't mean every suburb is "doing it wrong".
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This is all on top of the fact that there are no jobs here.
Yeah but if you are employed, the cost of living is peanuts.
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My source: me. I'm mid-twenties. All my friends are leaving and the only young people in my neighborhood live with their parents
. Mid 30s... left for over a decade, came back when various stars aligned. not sure if it was the best decision, or if I'll stay long term, but the area does have its positives. Most of my HS friends did not come back after college and all but one college friend left for other cities. A couple for the "city" itself [[although they had advanced degrees and had a choice) , but most chose to move to take a job and the prospect of more opportunity elsewhere within and outside of their industry. Some said they'd have come back if there was job for them. A few have said they'd never come back because Detroit is too far gone. One hates this place so much he won't even change planes at DTW. lol.
Dnerd, they go to those places because there are JOBS there no matter what Richard Florida says. if Chicago had 35% unemployment, was insolvent, lead the country in every misery index, and it's one major industry was imploding, no kid with a liberal arts degree would be moving to chicago on a whim like they do now. They know no matter what they'll be able to get a roomate, some sort of subsistence job [[or jobs) to cover rent and living expenses [[or those expenses which mom and dad arent helping out with) , while they pursue what ever it is they think they're going to be when they grow up.
LA was LA before it had a train. If Detroit built 40 miles of train tomorrow it would still be Detroit.