Jacoby's--Erdinger beer. Yum.
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I will ignore the personal attacks to say that you are arguing against a point that I never tried to make. I have never once said that Detroit is anywhere near as well-functioning of a city as Chicago. I don't know where you read that -- or how you interpreted that from what I wrote -- but I'm explicitly saying this so that you won't go off on this tangent again.
Now listen closely to this next part, because this is most important. My entire point in responding to you was to prompt you to reevaluate your criteria of what exactly makes a city world class. You were listing all of these amenities that Chicago has yet you were ignorant that Detroit had an equivalent to what you mentioned. So if Detroit has all of these things that you supposedly believe makes a city world class [[by your definition), yet it is not great in your own eyes, then there must be some qualities of Chicago that exist yet is going unmentioned by you. Get it?
Should we mention that Outer Drive makes a sort of non-connected 'loop' too?
And to add to the Detroit/Chicago debate. I know someone who's lived in over a dozen U.S. cities and a couple foreign ones. They lived in Detroit for about 10 years, then moved to Chicago due to their job. They still consider Detroit 'home' and have a fondness for this gritty city. I lived in Detroit for half my life, and in the close suburbs for the other half. I can't imagine wanting to live anywhere else. For all it's faults and problems, this is a great place/area to live.
Please don't jump down my throat, okay. These are just my opinions, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind here.:D
I think cycledetroit might be my bar soulmate. If his or hers admiration of the lager house is because of the ping pong table. Then we are on the same page. The rest of the list is stellar.