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This isn't an official rendering or even terribly accurate, but I snagged this from the Rocket Fiber Instagram account. It gives you an idea how the skyline is going to change once Hudsons is filled in.
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Is Dan Gilbert a sneaky little tease?!?
It looks like the building is on the other side of Woodward, maybe where the Under Armour store is now.
Crains is reporting that there will be an information session this Friday for contractors on the Hudson's site project. This is getting real, folks.
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article...r-hudsons-site
More Hudson's site Tower renderings. Also a cool mock-up of the Fisher Tower complex if the original plan reached completion.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/loca...wer/880337001/
Those renderings were created by a Reddit user. Interesting to see, but I'm sure the final product will be different.
A side note that I didn't think warranted another thread; they cut down all the trees in front of the Hudson's site on Woodward. Obviously, this is in preparation for construction, but I do hope they plant new ones in five years when the project is completed. Tree-lined streets are a very underrated addition to a downtown.
would have been nice if they filled in the empty space in the skyline. Not a criteria for building tall buildings.
The sad thing is that many of those trees could have remained, had the environmental laws not been what they are.
Long story short, there is an endangered bat species that could have potentially built nests in those trees next spring. If that were to happen, construction would be delayed for 9 months as to not disturb said endangered bat. Obviously a project of this scale cannot afford a 9 month bat delay, so to remove the risk, the trees were cut down. No trees = no potential bat issues.
The more I look at these mock ups the more I wish they'd add 10-15 stories to Monroe Block to help balance the skyline out. Hudsons is going to really look isolated from most views.
Agreed. That's why I brought up the comparison to Oklahoma City earlier in the thread and how it's going to stick out like a sore thumb [[and not in the good way).
Beggars can't be choosers of course. It's nice that Detroit's finally getting a new tallest building. But symmetry is just as important IMO. Given there's a good chance the Hudson skyscraper will be the only new building of similar height Detroit sees for a long time [[unless a game changer like Amazon HQ2 happens), the skyline will look really unbalanced.
That's also why I suggested the addition of a crown or antenna [[similar to the Sears Tower, Key Tower, BOA Plaza, Liberty Place Tower or the Empire State Building) to make the building seem less awkward. Right now, it's painfully obvious that someone decided to suddenly pull a dick-measuring move just because.
Between what we have seen publicly with design changes and from what I have heard behind the scenes from a former employee at SHoP I wouldn't be surprised if the tower undergoes another change. The top looks awkward and a more elegant crown, as suggested, would make it look better with the rest of the skyline. Plus it would add some height without a ton of extra cost.
Groundbreaking Friday!
On my phone and can't easily share a link but it's out there.
lol I was thinking the same thing. I wonder how long it's going to take them to bust out the current parking deck. It seems like it takes forever for a build to reach street level normally. I would imagine we won't see steel coming out of the ground for at least 18 months. What do you guys think?
The timeline I heard for completion is 2022.
Does anyone know if the entire garage is getting replaced? Or is it just the south portion where the tower will be that is getting redone?
Given that the non-tower portion of the development is short enough that it’s weight could be built upon the existing substructure, I didn’t know if they were going to completely start from scratch and structurally remove the existing garage in its entirety, or if they were just going to rebuild the south part of the block to hold the tower and build the north part of the Hudson development upon the existing garage.
More renderings. Pretty cool angles. Published at Crain's Nov 21.
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article...#&gid=1&pid=10
I love the rendering that shows the north-facing view from Campus Martius. The building towering over the park feels like New York :)
Groundbreaking now [[re)scheduled for this Thursday, December 14, at 9am.
Maybe if it snows enough on Wednesday, they can just shovel snow as opposed to shoveling the fake dirt they normally bring in for these type of ceremonial events.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG1yMAJiIus
Link for the groundbreaking. Definitely recommend watching the video at 27:45.
Edit: Found a separate link for just the video- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A6r1lZzvZ4
https://i.imgur.com/ZuUhNEj.jpg
First official rendering of how it will change our skyline
Also found a few easter eggs in that video. Is Levi's close to striking a deal with Bedrock for downtown retail?
https://i.imgur.com/5s2tIzb.jpg
Also Shinola looks as though they will indeed be opening a retail store on the ground floor of their hotel on woodward, not unexpected
https://i.imgur.com/lmI8J7p.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/euPLXQ4.jpg
Nero thinks Sir Dan Gilbert and his band of merry folk do not understand how economic bubbles work. Be forewarned Dan Gilbert! For your lofty towers have hubris. All will end in capriccios contrition and disquietudes.
https://www.freep.com/story/money/20...oom/711801001/
Interesting that the renderings have changed once again.
I like it.
Good looks UV ^^. Hope the QLine gets its own lane.
Perhaps I've missed it, but have they announced a name yet?
I think the Hudsons name should somehow be included in it .
Also Gilbert did note today according to Detroit News that there have been about 4 brand name companies that people know that have expressed high interest in leasing the majority of the office space, can't wait to see who gets it
The video appears to be a tad bit dated since the Hudson's Block building appears to represent the last batch of renderings as opposed to todays. You can also see some of the new construction for Monroe Block but my favorite little egg was the now defunct MLS plans for the fail jail.
You can see the stadium and corresponding towers in the top of the attached image. Sort of glad they won't be going with it. What I like about Hudson/Monroe is how they have broken up the blocks with the pedestrian in mind. Fail Jail looks like a super block which would have sucked.
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I agree southen, kind of glad they're not just plopping down another stadium super block as well. I hope they also break up the fail jail site with whatever bedrock decides to put on it. They've had a tremendous track record so far with pedestrian activation so I would imagine it will be done with that in mind.
Go back to the drawing boards. This isn't unique or iconic. It doesn't stir the soul.
It could end up as a new JACK CASINO... since the hotel and parking structure are just south of that site. I don't think that Dan Gilbert is happy with a 25% slice of the Detroit Casino pie at the Greektown site. He might build a new casino on the fail jail site, not sure if it requires 100% of the site.. but a decent portion of it, if he does indeed intend to build there. He would likely redevelop the old casino as other entertainments/retail. I think that former Trappers Alley is wasted as just a closed off entrance vestibule to the casino... although somethng other than the former festive marketplace concept would have to be found.
GILBERT TOWER!!! It's got a nice ring to it. Gilberttown Detroit's first tallest skyscraper on 40 years. This will show the world that Detroit is alive and will. This is the true renaissance.
Looking at the last picture, it almost appears that the public lookout on top of the building is cantilevered out over nothing. I'm wondering if this will be some sort of glass floor attraction like Willis Tower or that overlook at the Grand Canyon.
read they wanted a city within a city... how did that work out for the rencen
You can see the overhang in this VR thing: https://sphcst.com/wisqu
Huh? of all the skyscrapers downtown yes the penobscot is at 50%, that's due to a garbage landlord owner.
Class A office space is at 90-100% leased. The book and stott are undergoing renovations as we speak. There are no truly abandoned skyscrapers in downtown anymore
Maybe they can add a 'sky slide' to the top! :o
As seen on Jimmy Kimmel Live....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9BUkTyInzo
Jose Saramago wrote an excellent novel about a place like that too.
Review of Jose Saramago's "The Cave"
http://yalereviewofbooks.com/the-cav...-paige-austin/
I Trumpet; "The Ruins have been restored!"
Woe, woe, woe to those who stay without remorse as the dead and the damned walk amongst the living on Earth. All around us we can smell the flower of their flesh decayed, yet we think to ourselves; "oh how nice a flower, but how putrid the smell. Let me take the flower's seeds to new lands, so that all lands can be infected by the honey of her misdeeds".
Evolution has a counterpart.
I'm hoping that they setup a live site camera like District Detroit did for the LCA construction. Anyone heard anything about them possibly doing that?
Will the 80 story building be built on top of the steel beams that are already protruding from the ground or would the beams be removed all together?
The beams were only built to support 18-20 storeys so they will be ripped out along with the underground parking, to be replaced with new parking also.
I'm working on the project. I'll snap some pictures over the next few years and post them. It's gong to be a fun project to be a part of.
This project is going to be nuts. Feels like just yesterday the "What's going on at the Red Wings Arena" thread just started and here we are, at the start of another massive project.
Noticed they tore down the structures that housed the stairwells and elevator shafts this week. Excited to see this site transform.
Yes, I'm eagerly awaiting the promised "80 floor building", which, so far, is nothing but talk.
Bring it on, ye downtown starry-eyed optimists.
I especially appreciate how the building gets 10 floors taller with every breathless "news story". At 80 floors, given modern day office heights, we're now looking at something taller than the Empire State Building, supposedly being built by a guy who has never built something outside of a taxpayer funded parking lot.
I can see the construction from my apartment and I can verify that they are out there working every day.
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article...e-construction
The schedule, from Crains:
- end of 2017-spring 2018: demolition, earth retention, temporary electrical installation
- summer/fall 2018: demolition of some of the underground garage foundation
- fall 2018: building tower foundations
- spring 2019: parking deck foundations and structure
- spring 2019: building the tower structure
- summer 2019: building the block structure
- fall 2019: mechanical, electrical, plumbing and fire protection system installation
- fall 2019: site utilities
- fall/winter 2020: enclosure of the block and tower
- winter 2020: elevator and escalator installation
- spring 2021: building interiors and finishes
- summer 2022: final site work
Bham, I understand your comments about the height being exaggerated, but do you really think this building is not going to be built? Barring an economic catastrophe, this is a done deal.
WTF?
For someone who flies off the handle at Fake News that fits their own agenda you sure can spew out a load of it.
What the hell happened? Tough going on your “Nobody wants a condo at the Book Cadillac” anymore so it was time to make up some other negative Detroit lie and start peddling it?
You have one big problem with your latest fabrication.
A majority of the people on this board can go to the Hudson site and see with their own eyes what is happening there now.
Here is how to estimate the height of various types of buildings when only the number of stories is known.
And I assume the opposite, the number of stories when only the height is known [[as well as the type of building).
http://www.ctbuh.org/HighRiseInfo/Ta...B/Default.aspx
Regardless, I predict it will get built.
No one has to predict anything. The building is 58 above-ground stories and approximately 800 feet and is very much under construction. The first phase is the most complicated. They are demolishing the existing underground garage, which first required the stablization of the tub walls, which is what they are doing, now. I've been told by someone working on this project that we should see above ground work taking place in May when they get ready to tear down the interior and "roof" of the garage.
MrChrome posted a helpful schedule that they so far have stuck to. Once the new garage is poured, we'll start seeing the actual foundations of the tower and neighboring building poured later this year.
Barton Malow, the Southfield-base general contractor, is very busy on this site. It's unfortunate that Bedrock and BM have been so quiet about the initial work, but that doesn't mean it's not occurring. They'd be wise for such a historic project to get the webcam on the site going and starting posting at least monthly updates of what they are doing.
B'ham, did you read that... Put it in your calendar for Summer, 2022.
Maybe, like the Little Caesars [[which had to pay off after UMBC beat UVa in the NCAAs), maybe B'ham will buy a Starbucks for each poster in this thread when the building opens.
Everyone can come to the Starbucks, and B'ham can say: A latte for everyone. On me. :rolleyes:
It'd be nice if they posted a live feed web cam like District Detroit does for their projects.
There really isn't much above ground work going on, so maybe the webcam will come at a later date. It would basically be video of workers going in and out of the parking garage entrance.
Can you cite any articles or anything where it was said to be an 80-story building?
Right, then you replied that it gets taller with every news story and then used that to justify skepticism of Gilbert doing this. Unless of course your skepticism stems from a forum where a poster accidentally posted false information. So again, what news stories have you read where the details are constantly changing to make you doubt the follow through?
To be fair to Bham, the plans have changed several times, and the architect was most recently quoted saying the designs for the crown of the building were not exactly finalized:
"Witherspoon said it has yet to be determined if the observation deck will have features such as telescopes or glass floors, or if it will be enclosed, open air or both."
But this building is happening.
Right now, as everyone has said, we're just tearing out the parking garage. We also are rigging up some temporary lights to put on the fence along Woodward. I'm an electrician and doing mostly disconnecting existing electrical and doing temp work. I'm bouncing back and forth between the Hudson's site and Little Caesar's World HQ. That job, which was suppose to have 4 floors turned over by April, is way behind. The lighting in that building is the most complicated [[and expensive) I've ever seen. It's turnover date has now been pushed back to November. Right now we're building out the beer garden on the 4th floor and the bar, that you can see from Woodard, on the second floor.
My skepticism is rooted in the fact that A. Gilbert isn't a developer [[has never built anything more ambitious than a parking garage), B. The plans have never been formally presented [[ie building permits, building schematics, etc.), C. The project has no financing [[such a project would require a $1 billion+ loan, difficult for even the wealthiest and savviest developers) and D. The specific plans keep changing [[this building has gone from 20 to 80 floors in the last few years).
I don't doubt something will be built, eventually. I'm extremely skeptical that something very tall will get built, for the reasons listed.
Bham, 1927: This "Fisher Building" is never going to happen! I mean, maybe something will happen, but the Fisher brothers aren't developers.
Actually, I would like to hear the answers to B and C. They're valid concerns.
Apparently you aren’t a developer unless you build new. Restoring countless buildings doesn’t count. Shinola Hotel, City Modern and 28 Grand prove your original premise wrong and the garage he did built has turned into one of downtowns big cultural draws due to its programming. I think you just want to doubt it and DG.
In other news, Crain's is reporting that the jail site will be used as a staging area for the construction of the Hudson's site. No one has been parking on top of the garage for a few weeks now.
It's the weather. The glass guys are being super cautious because there is no other glass like that in the world. They told us they weren't setting pizza glass with winds over 10mph. I'm going to take a close up of it. It's just crazy seeing it up close. It's huge! The bigger problem right now is the 9th floor, the executive floor. The way the air handling units were designed they just so happen to be above Chris I's new office. They are so powerful they hum and vibrate and shake the whole 9th floor. Lol lol �� Chris is Not going to like that. They don't know what to do at this point. It's going to be an expensive change whatever they do.
Correct. Renovating buildings is quite different from new construction, which requires different financing and skillsets.
And you could renovate a million buildings; doesn't mean an 80-floor building is a realistic project. At that height you have extreme construction costs, and elevator banks take up huge proportion of the highest floors, limiting rentable sf. There are many a half dozen outfits in the western world that could carry out such a project.