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Bham1982
No, you're making up stuff. You never posted anything that supports your claims. Please post where Farrakhan blamed everything on earth on white people,
Ok, he didn't blame white people for "everything on earth." He blamed the entire race for what some white people did...decades/centuries ago. It's like saying, "oh, a large percentage of black people commit crimes...I'm going to blame all black people for crimes." It's moronic.
It's the same thing Hitler did, and Farrakhan does, with Jews: Take a few facts, and then make what I call the stupid leap:
Fact: The banking, media and entertainment industries have always had an inordinate amount of Jewish people running them. That's an inescapable fact; for such a small part of the population, there are plenty of Jews in those positions.
Here's the stupid leap: Jews are responsible for ________ [[fill in the blank with whatever evil in the world you want to blame on Jewish folks). Because a few Jewish people were in positions of power, and may have done some bad things, that means, according to this stupid way of thinking, that all Jews are responsible.
See how that works? It's the same with this black/white business:
Fact: Although there are examples throughout history of people of all colors perpetrating slavery, groups of white merchants and certain governments instituted the worst system, resulting in 400 years of bondage of millions of Africans.
Stupid leap: White people are responsible for black people's misery.
This stupid leap ignores the fact that most white people never owned slaves...many white countries didn't participate in the slave trade...and white people fought and died to end slavery. In England, white people voluntarily abolished it without a war.
You can make the argument that the system of slavery still has a residual effect on black people, and we could have a rational discussion. But to blame it on "white people" or "the Jews"??? That's stupid.
Would you blame some Japanese baby who was born 20 minutes ago for the rape of Nanking?
Be smart. Don't make the stupid leap.
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please explain why the NOI is equivalent to the KKK, and please explain what this has to do with the racist lies coming out of the scum in the White House.
1. The KKK and the NOI both preach hate against an entire race/religion. One of the basic tenets of NOI is that white people were created by a scientist more than 6000 years ago for the sole purpose of wreaking havoc on the black race. I'm fairly certain this is what Farrakhan was referencing to open his speech in Detroit:
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Yakub [[sometimes spelled Yacub or Yaqub) is a central figure of the Nation of Islam [[NOI). According to the story, Yakub was a black scientist who lived "6,600 years ago" and began the creation of the white race to be a "race of devils". He is said to have done this through a form of selective breeding referred to as "grafting", while living on the island of Patmos.
The Nation of Islam theology claims that Yakub is the biblical Jacob. Mainstream Sunni and Shia Muslims do not have this belief, or anything similar to it. The story has caused disputes within the NOI during its history. Under its current leader Louis Farrakhan, the NOI continues to assert that the story of Yakub is true, stating that modern science is consistent with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakub_[[Nation_of_Islam)
So, according to the NOI, the white race is an abomination created by a scientist in order to make the world a shittier place...the minister is openly anti-Semitic ... and you're asking me what this group has to do with the KKK? Dude, do you need me to draw you a fucking map?
The NOI is a hate group. The media should reflect that. Now it's, "some people say they're controversial." No, they're completely open about the fact they think white people and Jews are inherently evil, disgusting people.
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2. I never mentioned the White House. You did.
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Actual text, no racist fakenews. KKK has killed thousands of blacks and terrorized nonwhites for over a century.
Wikipedia isn't "racist fakenews" is it? I can provide lots of other links, including the NOI website, but I'm being lazy.
Regarding the Klan: I'm not aware that the yahoos who dress up in their stupid white hats nowadays are killing people in any significant numbers, although there are cases here and there. But, yes, the Klan does have a horrible history of violence.
Does that render any comparison to the NOI invalid? Let's see...in what ways might they be similar? Hmmm....let me ruminate on that for a minute and get back to you....
Wait! I got it! Both groups despise another race! And they both hate Jews!
That would make them kinda alike...wouldn't it? Being that both groups believe people with different skin color are beneath them and all? Ya think? Maybe? Perhaps?
Come on, dude...this ain't Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon here. It's not a giant leap to compare one group that hates over skin color and religion with another.
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Ah, yes. You're a shining paragon of justice. That's why you started a thread to disparage the free media, defend white racism, and fabricated a worldview where Trump is a victim.
No, I'm an asshole like everybody else. I started the thread mainly because Farrakhan has always chapped my ass, and I've felt his utter hatred toward whites and Jews has been glossed over by the media. And, with the media under attack [[which isn't anything new, by the way), I thought I'd point out there's a point to be made that the media does indeed skew some things.
But I think there's an easy way for the media to be strong during this tough time. They can make themselves bulletproof against claims of bias by...not being biased!
Trump is an idiot by saying the media is the enemy of the people, and that all the media lie all the time. Most of the time they get it right. But there are certain topics where there's no question in my mind they promote an agenda, and race is one of them. I'm citing one such example, because I think it's an issue that needs to be discussed. I think Farrakhan is a despicable person, and he's not treated as such by the media the way other hate-mongers are treated. Yeah, I don't like the guy. That's why I started this thread. Not Trump.
Fixing anything has to start with honesty, doesn't it? That makes me a bigot and a Trump guy? That's a giant leap, comrade. I think Trump is a dickhead. And regarding your shopworn claim that I'm a bigot: What have I said in this thread that's bigoted? I think the media skews certain topics, and I also think it's clear to a lot of people, given the polls. The media needs to be honest and realize there's a reason so many people don't trust them, and it's not all because of Trump. That's such a lazy way of thinking. People have been steadily losing trust in the media for years. There's a reason why.
I keep hearing the media screaming that our democracy relies on them pointing out hatred and bigotry wherever it rears its ugly head. And I completely agree. And here was a chance: A man who spewed vile hatred and bigotry to open his speech in Detroit. It was the very first words out of his mouth.
Can you honestly say in this case, the media did its job by exposing hatred and bigotry when it surfaced? In.the.first.words.of.the.goddamn.speech.
But you've got your narrative. My views make me a Trumpet, a bigot, I go hunting in my pickup truck, drinking beer and listening to Kid Rock. So go with it, I guess...
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No, we're understanding you quite well. You're a bigot. The media [[generally speaking) tells the truth. You can't deal with this, so need to invent a false worldview that justifies your bizarre race victimization theory.
The media, generally speaking, does tell the truth. But on issues of race, they skew things. You know another unrelated area where they skew things? When some moronic anchorperson smiles and says, "good news, the unemployment rate dropped XX percent," knowing damn well that just means folks stopped looking for jobs. In some areas, the media is full of shit. That doesn't mean I agree with the loudmouth in the White House, or that I hold a "race victimization theory."
Why...why in God's name do people like you always assume anyone who discusses race critically is a bigot? Is Larry Elder a bigot? How about Herman Cain? There are plenty of black commentators who have the same viewpoint on this issue as I do. Are they bigoted against themselves?
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I'm willing to bet any amount of money you're a hardcore Trump supporter. You started a thread whining about "fake media" black people allegedly being racist against victimized whites, and the poor poor, President Trump. I have zero doubt you love the Trumpenfuhrer and his hateful message.
Again, you've already made up your mind. But whether you believe me or not, if God held the money and let us settle the matter in heaven or hell, you'd lose that bet. I've always thought Trump was an egotistical moron, from way back when he owned the football team. The guy rubs me the wrong way, always has. I don't think he's literally Hitler, though. A lot of the things he's doing and proposing were done and proposed by previous administrations. Trump just has no diplomacy, proving once again that it's not what you say, it's how you say it. There's a YouTube video floating around that shows both Obama and Bill Clinton discussing how we need to stop illegal immigrants from coming into the country, because a lot of them perpetrate crimes and are a drain on the economy. But Trump is Trump, so people hate it coming from him. And I get it, because the guy seems like a major a-hole. But I do think people are taking the fear and hysteria too far. I remember them doing the same thing when Reagan came into office. They just didn't have Facebook then. If so, the Reagan stuff would've eclipsed all the "Who Shot JR" memes.
And...to put a finer line around the issue: I.never.mentioned.Trump. You did. This post isn't about Trump. It's about my dislike of Farrakhan, how the media gives him a free pass.
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Hillary was 100% right. Many [[most?) Trump voters are deplorables. Many are racist.
Well, of course they are! And many of Hilary voters have been filmed beating the crap out of people for simply wearing Trump hats. Also among voters on both sides [[most?) are folks who feel the person they held their noses and voted for will best help them and their families get through tough times. I don't have a problem if someone believes those who voted differently were mistaken...but what good does it do to disparage so many people because you don't like their choice of the lesser of two evils?
Keep that up, and Trump is guaranteed another term, because people on the fence who say they support Trump in any little thing will have folks pointing fingers in their faces saying "racist! Sexist! Ist-ist!" The Democrats used to at least pretend to be about The People. What the hell happened? [[And by the way, since you seem to be obsessed with my voting record, the last time I voted was during Bill Clinton's first term. I had lots of hope. Then I realized he was as full of shit as every other politician. But that was back when Dems pretended they cared about the average Joe, and I fell for it.
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Decent people aren't going to give you a pass and will resist your agenda at every step. Deal with it. We're never going to accept you and your ilk destroying our country.
My agenda is that the media should call out hatred and bigotry whenever they see it, period.
My agenda is, I would like to see people get over this stupid race thing and come together -- and the only way to do that is to be honest.
If someone's saying hateful things, the media should shine a light on it. And it bothers me there was no mention in the local media about the hate which spewed from Farrakhan in the very first words of his speech. If you think that makes me a terrible person, go with what makes you feel good, I guess.
Good day.