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November 20th, 2009, 02:19 AM
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My Rabbit Hole of a Life
All,
To everyone who has read my words in the past, you might remember some of the more weird encounters I've had...odd experiences...close encounters with events and people one-step removed from the news.
I'm in the middle of one now.
A few months ago, a fellow friended me on Facebook who knows a REAL LIFE acquaintance who worked with me at the hifi magazine in Los Angeles...actually she was our east-coast ad rep, but I got pretty close with her and reconnected after five years on Facebook.
This fellow has one of the most amazing home theater setups I've EVER heard about, but for some odd reason he chose to keep 'poking' me...a game I rarely entertain save for my old Park Shelton roomie.
Difference was, she was also a REAL LIFE friend, not a second-degree etheric 'friend'. With her, I thought it charming, with him...annoying. But, I poke back. Hey, they started it.
That is merely the setup for the rest of this relative mystery of co-incidence.
Last night, I read a thread on a conspiracy board entitled, "You Might Be A Pingie", the same as the title to the original poster's new book, now available at Barnes and Noble and Amazon. Far as I know, the movie will be out next year.
Fellow was an MTV production exec, and even a director of a Michael Jackson video. He has now checked out and is living on an island outside Seattle.
During the course of his expose, he mentioned Bard College.
Same time as meeting the author but well before we established direct contact, I was approached by another friend of the first Facebook second-degree etheric fellow, because she liked my commentary on his page. Plus, she happened to be lifelong friends with another J.Gannon and she thought it'd be a blast to add another.
I asked her how she knew Jeremy, our common link.
She went through a litany of Bard alumni associations, including the fact that while she never went there...she lived on campus while her father was a professor...who became Dean at some point. He may still be.
I'm a wee bit stunned by this seeming co-incidence. The world got one step smaller by this association. Maybe more.
Turns out Jeremy read the rough draft of Textfreely's (the pen name for Glenn Ribble) book. They know each other well enough to be linked on Facebook themselves...I only know this thanks to their 'common friends' section.
So, I hope I described this correctly and the language is clear.
E-Met one guy through a real friend.
Read a thread on some board about a story on CIA impingement on innocents, e-met the fellow who wrote it.
THEY know each other.
I don't know what to think of all this. I'm not really looking for commentary, but rather some outside confirmation of all this...if anything, I've got y'all as witnesses now.
My life has always been strange, but recent events only make it better.
Cheers and more,
John
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November 20th, 2009, 02:40 AM
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OH, and no worries on outing Ribble, he did that himself on the thread where I first learned of him, in the first post.
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November 20th, 2009, 03:24 AM
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The first guy is PROVING the second guy's premise in his book.
He is making himself out to be an active black ops player.
I do believe we've got a few of them around here, too, but I digress.
Has anyone ever heard of Andrew D. Basiago? Is THIS guy for real?!
They may all be related. I guess I should say WE.
Cheers, this is beyond the movie script Cc so dearly wants me to pen. I can hardly keep up.
Don't start that Basiago interview unless you have six or so hours...I'm going through it again now, and taking copius notes.
The very first part of Basiago's story I tried to confirm, after relating some of this at dinner last night at my Livonia Friend's house, was confirmed. There IS a picture of a young boy at Lincoln's Gettysburg address with too-large shoes...but his face and those near him are oddly blurred, when someone in the foreground's hair is detailed...making it pretty obvious they blurred out the facial detail of the MIDDLE of the field of focus! Although, from the ground blurring, it MAY be the limit of the device...I'd bet Jams has some information on glass-plate photography. Here is another scan of it, perhaps higher resolution.
What cameras were available during the mid-1800s?! How did this picture get taken, and by whom?! This is apparently the only picture taken that day that has survived, but it was lost until 1952.
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These photos show the crowd around a platform at Gettysburg and a detail from that photo showing President Lincoln on the platform. They were made from the original glass plate negative at the National Archives. The plate lay unidentified in the Archives for some fifty-five years until in 1952, Josephine Cobb, Chief of the Still Pictures Branch, recognized Lincoln in the center of the detail, hatless and probably seated. To the immediate left (Lincoln's right) is Lincoln's bodyguard, Ward Hill Lamon, and to the far right (beyond the limits of the detail) is Governor Andrew G. Curtin of Pennsylvania. Cobb estimated that the photograph was taken about noontime, just after Lincoln arrived at the site and before Edward Everett's arrival, and some three hours before Lincoln gave his now famous address. This is the only known photo of Lincoln at the Gettysburg Address.
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(from http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/...idyouknow.html)
Cheers...maybe at some point, I'll sleep!
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November 20th, 2009, 03:42 AM
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It won't be soon.
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November 20th, 2009, 03:46 AM
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Some background on the picture. There ARE actually three other pictures taken that day, all by the same guy, but different from the one I linked to above.
But their detail is absolutely horrible. It is tough to assume that the technology that created the two types of prints even used a similar lens design, the others are SO poor.
This is really, really getting good.
Ribble thinks Kipnis is a pingie. I think he's an active player, not a victim.
I think we've got a real-life confirmation of everything I've ever concluded about the makings of the world...with a few twists I could never, ever have imagined.
Cheers, all, I hope you are enjoying this as much as me.
John
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November 20th, 2009, 03:49 AM
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Here is a link to one of my earlier threads. It is more important today.
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November 20th, 2009, 05:13 AM
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OK. So, now...Ribble friended Andrew D. Basiago on Facebook.
Later, in dialogue that is public to all my Facebook friends, Kipnis basically outed himself as an active agent with the CIA.
HE then friended Andrew D. Basiago, after telling ME directly that he thought him insane.
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It would be nice if it turned out to be true. But he simply does not have his facts straight or accurate. And rambling on and on for 6 hours does not make it anymore fact - but he is very entertaining in his Prozac induced Manic Episode.
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Matter of fact, my conversation with him sounded SO much like that from old dear Karl and Cc now, along with others here that I will not name at present, that I believe we've found our source of disinformation materials that have bogged down so many fruitful conversations here.
So...I'm finally going to sleep. I cannot imagine what dreams will be like tonight.
Cheers and more from beautiful West Bloomfield...
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November 20th, 2009, 11:53 AM
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I need to correct some stuff, the author of "You Might Be a Pingie" did NOT out himself, but was outed by the OP on that other board. He is also NOT the director of a MJ video, but merely did a compilation of other music videos for MTV as an independent contractor.
This story is so unbelievably huge...between HIS revelations of experimentation done on him and others in the 60s and that other fellow Basiago's whistleblowing...our understanding of how the world really works may blossom a bit. If you pay attention...
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November 20th, 2009, 05:23 PM
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Paranoia and reality can sure be dizzying.
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November 20th, 2009, 06:31 PM
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I specifically reject your suggestion of paranoia, and return it back to you tenfold.
Why even BOTHER commenting, Cc? You are a waste of space and time to me.
This has been a VERY curious day. Indeed.
Got an e-mail from a particular Stanley Reed, who apparently reads our board.
He felt compelled to send me an e-mail of my original post here, but in a Chinese character translation. I almost deleted it, but saw some english words in the text, read them and realized it was important.
Rabbit111333@live.com
Subject: STOP
生活的我的兔窝 所有, 对以前读了我的词的每个人,您也许记住某些更加古怪的遭遇I' ve安排…与事件和人一步的奇怪的经验…接近的遭遇从新闻被去除。 I' 在一个中间的m现在。 几个月前,家伙friended我知道的Facebook的实际上工作与我在高保真杂志在洛杉矶…的真 实生活相识她是我们的东部海岸广告rep,但是我得到了相当接近与她并且在Facebook的五年以后再联 接了。 这个家伙有其中一个最惊人的家庭影院设定I' ve听到了,但是为一些奇怪的原因他选择保留' poking' 我…除为我的老公园Shelton roomie之外,我很少愿意考虑的比赛。 区别是,她也是一个真实生活朋友,不是二级醚的' friend'。 她,我认为迷住,当他的它…懊恼。 但是,我戳。 嘿,他们开始了它。 那仅仅是其余的设定巧合的这相对奥秘。 昨晚,我在被给权的阴谋板, "读了一条螺纹; 您也许是Pingie" 和对原始的poster'的标题一样; s新书,现在可利用在巴恩斯和贵族和亚马逊。 因为我知道,电影明年。 家伙是MTV生产exec和迈克尔・杰克逊录影的甚而主任。 他在西雅图之外的一个海岛现在检查了和居住。 在他的曝光期间,他提及了吟呦诗人学院。 时刻和遇见作者一样,但是很好,在我们建立了直接联系之前,我由第一个Facebook二级醚的家伙的另一 个朋友接近,因为她喜欢我的在他的页的评论。 加号,她偶然是有另一J.Gannon的世交,并且她认为it' d是增加别的疾风。 我要求她她怎么认识杰里米,我们共同的链接。 她审阅吟呦诗人校友会连祷,包括事实,当她未曾去时there...sh e在校园居住,当她的父亲是教授…时谁适合教务长。 他也许仍然是。 I' 这似乎的巧合稍微震惊的m。 世界得到了一步小由这个协会。 可能更多。 结果杰里米读Textfreely'草稿; s (笔名对于Glenn Ribble)书。 他们知道自己在Facebook还好将连接的…我只知道这由于他们的' 共同的friends' 部分。 因此,我希望我恰当地描述了此,并且语言是清楚的。 E遇见一个人通过一个真正的朋友。 读一条螺纹在关于一个故事的某些委员会在清白的人的CIA侵入, e遇见写它的家伙。 他们彼此了解。 我don' t知道怎样认为所有此。 I' m不真正地寻找评论的,但是宁可某一外部确认所有这…如果有任何I' ve得到了y' 所有作为现在证人。 我的生活总是奇怪的,但是近期事件只使它更好。 欢呼和更多, 约翰
rabbit111333@live.com was returned to me as undeliverable.
The translation from English to Chinese then back was pretty funny.
This is not make-believe. I am not paranoid, nor afraid in any way, shape, or form.
I am now in direct contact with both the author of the book, and Andrew D. Basiago himself.
A curious day, indeed.
Please fly away, Cc, I will continue to reject your negativity, and throw it back on you worse...so in your best interest please just go away. It is simply not worth whatever they pay you to do this any longer.
Cheers,
John
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November 20th, 2009, 11:21 PM
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"whatever THEY pay you"
No...not paranoid at all.
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November 21st, 2009, 12:07 AM
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Well got through 2 parts of the interview. Complete hogwash, but I was thinking it'd be very annoying having people showing you stuff you're going to do in the future. Would reduce my motivation.
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November 21st, 2009, 01:14 AM
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Cc, that is not paranoia, that is a weighted guess. Sorry it sounds so much like accusation. Your behavior forces no other conclusion.
Sturge, I'm doing my best to confirm some of even the most basic comments in this fellow's story. It rings so true, if he's a faker...he is the best one ever.
Since he helps tie so many things up, and graces by some of the wildest conspiratorial concepts with almost nothing but a mere mention as if they were commonplace proven, of course he appeals to me. But I've always felt I was onto something big. A whole bunch of people have caught the hints along the way.
I'm not yet out of my mind, but I might soon want to be.
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November 21st, 2009, 07:43 AM
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Gannon, a couple thoughts:
1. Sometimes a person acting like an asshole or acting like a one trick pony mimic is just being that and nothing more. Why assign them anything loftier?
2. I knew someone who swore they recognized about 20% of the license plates on Gratiot every morning. Some said he was paranoid, but to me I guessed that its actually possible he did recognize them due to not only 6 degrees of separation, but the fact that it was in the same location where the same people often travel. Unfortunately, the person assigned the license plate recognition to something like people following him. At any rate, when I read your trail of connections I thought to myself "six degrees of separation" (even less in a smaller area than the globe)... and when you bring it down to people interested in related topics, using electronic communications (not everyone does), sharing localities in some cases... then I don't find it shocking.
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November 21st, 2009, 09:53 AM
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I appreciate that, East Detroit.
There is a certain power to words and phrases, and I will not accept even the slightest hint of a verbal curse. Some individuals know how to direct and use language, while most throw it about unconsciously, but the effects can be similar. Cc came onto this board at a particular time, and has lingered...gleefully stirring up excrement, as if he were tasked. He does this with intent. Do you remember Karl? His return and then flame-out were legendary. Persistent fucker, he was.
A few others hang around, always asking but never yielding answers themselves...when you consider the depth of some of the materials and concepts discussed here over the years, it can get serious pretty quickly. I am well aware of that.
Having some stranger send me an e-mail with a one-word message and then my initial post translated into Chinese was curious. It had purpose, too.
With this thread, I merely wanted some of my local and e-friends to bear witness. Best way for me to do that is to get the stuff out there. I've had threads vanish into the ether from here, one that I retyped fully. That simply cannot be co-incidence, not easily explained. But they landed BEFORE they were erased, and many remember the content.
With these new folks, it was HOW they came into my life, and the immediate co-incidence of the Bard College link. Too fast to not get my trend-spotting mind a'reelin'. Stumbled upon a few things said about Bard College that I will be following up on...apparently the movie the X-Men was based on events which happened there. There were some weird research projects on campus, just like at other institutions of higher learning...throughout the 50s, 60s, and 70s. I believe they turned into applications after experimentation ended.
I've already decided that the best analogy to introduce this next mass illumination of truth is to say Hollywood revealed parts of the whole incrementally through various far-out fantasy and science fiction movies over the years.
That dovetails with the feeling I got each time I saw one of these blockbusters...that there was a ring of truth there, but no follow-through...no completion of the revelation.
Not the WHOLE story.
Even Monsters, Inc., if you allow yourself to see it. Some different-from-our world develops a portal that can deliver someone physically into your space/time, they gain something from the encounter...but it can only be negative energy, they think incorrectly.
When they discover the real power of joy and laughter and positive energy...the tormenting in the other dimension ends completely.
I am going to be sounding quite insane from now on. I fully understand that simply by attempting to wrap my head, heart, and soul around this new information, I've given those of lower illumination reason to accuse me of instability or worse. I am quite ready for that.
If I lose my mind, I will merely be the first, because this upcoming revelation may cause an insanity epidemic. I am quite sure I will NOT be losing my mind, although I've stated in the past that would be a fine trade for meeting my Maker.
Cheers and more on a Saturday morning...I'm going to go yoga it up and make some music.
Sincerely,
John
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November 21st, 2009, 10:10 AM
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One more thing, because it may become germane.
A month ago, I remembered an old friend from my magazine days...an amazing video imagery genius from the Phoenix area who dropped out when he was diagnosed with terminal cancer back in 2002 or so.
Thought about him, wondered if he was alive.
The very next day, he sent me an e-mail. We picked up the friendship as if no time had passed.
Both of us wondering why he's still alive.
He is the link to some heavy-duty ex-military satellite imagery experts and other people who worked building the "machine" we're trying to make public.
It is all happening...
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November 21st, 2009, 10:35 AM
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I need to correct something from earlier in this thread.
The three other photographs are NOT as horrible as I first saw, I looked closer at the scans available on-line. The first scans I saw were really bad. Need to see these all in person.
The other images show a fall-off in focus symmetrical to the center, where the glass-plate with both Lincoln and the boy have fierce failure in the foreground, but the boy's face is oddly totally obscured...when you can see the shape of his boots and other hard transitions quite clearly.
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November 21st, 2009, 11:34 AM
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I need to correct something from earlier in this thread.
The three other photographs are NOT as horrible as I first saw, I looked closer at the scans available on-line. The first scans I saw were really bad. Need to see these all in person.
The other images show a fall-off in focus symmetrical to the center, where the glass-plate with both Lincoln and the boy have fierce failure in the foreground, but the boy's face is oddly totally obscured...when you can see the shape of his boots and other hard transitions quite clearly.
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Considering the photography of the time, It's not surprising that the photo was blurred. Most photos were staged at the time, with the subjects having to stay still for a period of time in order to get a clear picture. The crowd watching Lincoln, and a few of the boys, may have remained stationary long enough for the facial features to come through. The focus of the camera as well was on the crowd, and Lincoln.
Standing still in one spot and moving the head would easily blur the features.
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November 21st, 2009, 11:57 AM
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I thought that, too. Wondered about it when I researched the photography of the day on-line last night.
Perhaps with the blurriness of that one fellow walking to the right, for sure...about another ten feet behind the boy.
The boy himself couldn't be more static, hands in pocket...legs perfectly straight...attentively looking at something or someone.
NOT a part of the crowd at all.
That crowd is amazingly clear...whatever lens was on this camera, it was amazing.
Were they even able GRIND something so perfectly back then?
What about the linear lens fail to the foreground?
It appears to be stretched, and blurred, but not in a cylindrical relation to the center of the image. I am looking at my downloaded version now.
There is another blur...to his left and back. That actually appears to be a ghost of a person...because you can see their outline with detail of a gap in the crowd through them.
A product of the solid person moving during the shutter opening.
I've had this effect myself...taking a quick shot of my cousin's daughter in the doorway of her home against the sunlight.
Let me find that image...be right back.
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November 21st, 2009, 12:09 PM
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Your scan really isn't that great, or the way it was reduced really sucks.
Here is the image taken by my Olympus E-10:
[IMG]file:///Users/johngannon/Desktop/Ethereal%20Sageness.jpg[/IMG]
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November 21st, 2009, 12:12 PM
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She merely bent over to pick something up the same instant I took the shot.
Same thing with the fellow to the left of the boy...maybe even another ten feet further than the blurry man to the right...but looks like he moved three feet to his left as the shutter was pulled.
You can see the smearing, above the double image of his straight legs. Chest and shoulders.
So, again, two instances of movement blurring the image, but NOT that boy's face.
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November 21st, 2009, 12:15 PM
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I downloaded a very high-quality scan of this shot from Picture History on-line, after joining them last night. It shows these things quite plainly.
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November 21st, 2009, 12:17 PM
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Isn't it curious how the focus on my old Audi wagon actually IMPROVES through the space where her body was, before she bent over?!
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November 21st, 2009, 12:47 PM
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NOW, I need some help.
No, not that way.
Who really thinks they know how Google's algorithm for search listings work?
I simply asked them the question, "What did Josephine Cobb say about the Lincoln Gettysburg glass photograph?"
And this very thread is the SEVENTH choice, on the first page of results.
Can anyone tell me how this could possibly happen?
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November 21st, 2009, 12:49 PM
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This is not the first time I've had googleweirdness syndrome.
I once searched on the exact phrase, in quotes:
"My Insanity, Defined"
And got ONE result. Wish I'd remembered to take a screenshot of that one.
I remember Jimaz having some fun results, too, indicating some oversight on some unseen agent's part!
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November 21st, 2009, 12:54 PM
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Plus, what is 55 years before 1952?
Why does that quote from the image information, largely quoted all over the internet, contain not only THAT error, but as confirmed by Andrew last night...it was really 1951 when this woman found it in the Archives.
The Lincoln Gettysburg address was NOT in 1897.
Google's report tells me one of perhaps a few things. Nobody else is talking about this topic on-line. Somebody may be paying undue attention to what we're saying here. Or, there is some localized enhanced function to the search algorithm that favors sites the users computer has visited in the past, which requires some feedback mechanism I would rather not consider at the moment.
Can anyone tell me differently?!
Did I tell you this would be a Rabbit Hole?! Follow the Rabbit.
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November 21st, 2009, 02:07 PM
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Were they even able GRIND something so perfectly back then?
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Years ago I studied the subject and, although I'm no expert, I think they could. Mass production might have benefited from newer technology but manual lens grinding is a pretty old art.
From Wikipedia's Photographic lens design article:
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However, because photographic films and electronic sensors have a finite and measurable resolution, photographic lenses are not always designed for maximum possible resolution since the recording medium would not be able to record the level of detail that the lens could resolve. For this, and many other reasons, camera lenses are unsuited to use as projector or enlarger lenses....
The lenses of the very earliest cameras were simple meniscus or simple bi convex lenses. It was not until 1840 that Chevalier in France introduced the achromatic lens formed by cementing a crown glass bi-convex lens to a flint glass plano-concave lens. By 1841 Voigtländer working with Joseph Petzval in Austria developed the first true two element lens....
The Zeiss company was responsible for many innovations in optical design and engineering. Early on, Carl Zeiss realised that he needed a competent designer so as to take the firm beyond just being another optical workshop. In 1866, the service of Dr Ernst Abbe was enlisted....
Most lens elements are made with curved surfaces with a spherical profile.
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A spherical surface is the easiest to grind and polish. To make a parabolic mirror, you would refine a spherical surface into a paraboloid.
Since the film is B&W, an achromatic lens wouldn't have helped with color but might have helped with some blurring caused by chromatic aberration.
In these photos a limited depth of field contributed to the foreground blurring, IMHO.
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November 21st, 2009, 02:26 PM
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This is not the first time I've had googleweirdness syndrome.
I once searched on the exact phrase, in quotes:
"My Insanity, Defined"
And got ONE result. Wish I'd remembered to take a screenshot of that one.
I remember Jimaz having some fun results, too, indicating some oversight on some unseen agent's part!
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Well, now there's four. All here. Or on the old board. Not so special. Only outside link from here, is someone's blog. How does that make it weird?
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November 21st, 2009, 02:47 PM
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Plus, what is 55 years before 1952?
Why does that quote from the image information, largely quoted all over the internet, contain not only THAT error, but as confirmed by Andrew last night...it was really 1951 when this woman found it in the Archives.
The Lincoln Gettysburg address was NOT in 1897.
Google's report tells me one of perhaps a few things. Nobody else is talking about this topic on-line. Somebody may be paying undue attention to what we're saying here. Or, there is some localized enhanced function to the search algorithm that favors sites the users computer has visited in the past, which requires some feedback mechanism I would rather not consider at the moment.
Can anyone tell me differently?!
Did I tell you this would be a Rabbit Hole?! Follow the Rabbit.
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Rabbit hole? Not exactly.
Here's when the National Archives got their hands on the photo.
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Levin Corbin Handy (August 1855 – March 26, 1932) was an American photographer who worked during the 19th and early 20th century.
Civil War photographer Mathew Brady was Handy's uncle by marriage, and Handy was apprenticed to him at age twelve. After a few years of working in Brady's studio, he was a skilled camera operator. Later, Handy became an independent photographer in Washington, D.C. In the 1880s, he formed a partnership with Samuel C. Chester; following that, he and Chester worked as partners with Brady. Handy shot individual portraits, and provided photographic and photoduplication services for United States Federal agencies. Between 1880 and 1896, he documented the construction of the Library of Congress's Thomas Jefferson Building.
Following his uncle's death in 1896, Handy acquired Mathew Brady's remaining files of photographs. When Handy died, he left his and Brady's work to his daughters, Alice H. Cox and Mary H. Evans; in 1954, the Library of Congress purchased approximately 10,000 of these negatives from Handy's daughters.
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Now, the whole premise of the quote seems to be sloppy journalism at best. And laziness on the part of those copying the quote.
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During the war, Brady spent over $100,000 to create over 10,000 plates. He expected the U.S. government to buy the photographs when the war ended, but when the government refused to do so he was forced to sell his New York City studio and go into bankruptcy. Congress granted Brady $25,000 in 1875, but he remained deeply in debt. Depressed by his financial situation, loss of eyesight and devastated by the death of his wife in 1887, he became very lonely. Mathew Brady died penniless in the charity ward of Presbyterian Hospital in New York City, at five o'clock, on January 15, 1896, from complications following a streetcar accident.
Brady's funeral was financed by veterans of the 7th New York Infantry. He was buried in Congressional Cemetery in Washington, D.C.
Levin Corbin Handy, Brady's nephew by marriage, took over his uncle's photography business after his death.
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November 21st, 2009, 02:48 PM
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I remember Jimaz having some fun results, too, indicating some oversight on some unseen agent's part!
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I may have mentioned Googlewhacking (see also Googlewhack.com) or maybe you're thinking of the time I used the DOS tracert command to discover my internet packet traffic was being diverted to near Washington, D.C. and back for no apparent reason. And no, I believe they have no more reason to monitor my traffic than anyone (everyone?) else's.
At the moment my traffic is going through Chicago, Atlanta, to Texas where I think Lowell's servers are physically located.
Nice to see you active again, John.
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November 21st, 2009, 02:58 PM
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And good to have you HERE in this thread, Jimaz.
Google searches have always yielded multiple results, near associations...even when only barely associated with the terms, perhaps the quotations and capitalization refined it more.
No, Jimaz, I'm specifically referring to something you searched on that you then red-circled and posted here...I wish I could remember, but it was one time you went after "Beautiful Paraguay in the Post Apocalypse Springtime".
There was an anomalous response from Google. Memory doesn't serve right now.
Thanks for the help with history of photographic lens technology.
Great stuff, Stosh, thanks!
I need to go through that history. 10,000 glass plate photographs, but only one that shows Lincoln at the Gettysburg Address that happens to be pertinent now.
I dunno. That one is too wild a co-incidence.
And a story of another doomed to living alone going insane, not unlike my personal hero Nikola Tesla.
Who happens to be at the CENTER of this story.
Ahem.
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November 21st, 2009, 03:02 PM
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Stosh, can I get the original source for those quotes?
That is a diversion I need to take...for a moment or more.
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November 21st, 2009, 04:04 PM
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Stosh, can I get the original source for those quotes?
That is a diversion I need to take...for a moment or more.
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The original quotes are from Wikpedia. As there is no real primary source quoted for the first quote about Brady, I went looking for a more primary source. This one below will do, as a historical timeline of sorts.
http://www.loc.gov/rr/print/coll/222_bradyhandy.html
There were two purchases of Brady's negatives by the LOC. See below:
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In 1954 the Library of Congress purchased from Alice H. Cox and Mary H. Evans, the daughters of Levin C. Handy approximately 10,000 original, duplicate, and copy negatives. The L.C. Handy Studio had been located at 494 Maryland Avenue SW, Washington, DC. Levin C. Handy (1855?-1932) was apprenticed at the age of twelve to his uncle, famed Civil War photographer Mathew B. Brady (1823?-1896). Handy became an independent photographer and over the years owned studios in partnership with Samuel Chester and with Chester and Brady. The Maryland Avenue studio was the most permanent and was the place where Levin Handy resided at his death in 1932. In the 1890s Brady himself had worked and lived at the Maryland Avenue address.
E. and H.T. Anthony acquired Brady's Civil War negatives as payment for his debt to that photographic supply company. These negatives, distinguished by the prefix LC-B8, were purchased by the Library in 1943 and are known as the Civil War Photographs Collection. They are available separately through the Prints and Photographs Online Catalog.
The remaining negatives in the Brady-Handy studio that came to the Library through the 1954 purchase are known as the Brady-Handy Collection and are distinguished by the prefix LC-BH8. The majority of the Brady-Handy negatives are of Civil War and post-Civil War portraits, with a small collection of Washington views. The online collection shown here includes primarily original glass plate negatives. Many duplicate and copy negatives were not scanned.
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The photos are available through this website link above
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November 21st, 2009, 04:20 PM
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Thanks, I'm on it.
I am also going to get a hard copy of a Life magazine that has this photograph in it. Andrew and I believe the image available on-line may have been doctored, but they cannot go out and get every existent copy of Life that was printed.
If anyone has access to the Time/Life archives, it will save me a trip to the library.
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November 21st, 2009, 04:24 PM
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This just keeps getting better.
I may have to put the Patron bottle down.
I was planning on taking a day off.
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November 21st, 2009, 04:31 PM
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This just keeps getting better.
I may have to put the Patron bottle down.
I was planning on taking a day off.
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Take the day off. Here's a clue to all of this... The only relevance today was this:
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Two photos taken by Alexander Gardner on November 19, 1863 at the dedication ceremonies for Soldier’s Cemetery at Gettysburg were discovered to have images of what looks like Abraham Lincoln in the crowd.

In December, 2006, John Richter, the director for the Center for Civil War Photography was viewing images from a collection of over 5000 Civil War photos made available online to the public by the Library of Congress. Mr. Richter was focusing on a series of 3-D stereoscope images of the crowds at the Gettysburg Soldier’s Cemetery dedication ceremonies taken on the day that Lincoln gave his famous Gettysburg Address.
“I noticed there were three negatives from the dedication that were taken close together,” he said. “That struck me as odd because of the difficulty and cost of taking pictures back then. I also noticed the camera was not pointed at the stand but more toward the right. I zoomed in, and that was when I saw this figure.”
In the distance, a tall bearded man wearing a stove pipe hat was spotted. The man is on horseback and is part of the procession leading to the stage.
One of the enhanced images shows Lincoln passing by a row of soldiers, and a second shows him saluting them while wearing white gloves. The third was not clear. In all three photos, he has his face partially turned away with his back to the camera.
Although there is not 100% proof that this is Lincoln, the series of photos was presented at the Lincoln Forum Conference at Gettysburg held in November, 2007. Harold Holzer, vice chairman of the forum and respected Lincoln author, historian and scholar, indicated that many experts, including himself, spoke highly of the photos and confirmed their belief that these are genuine pictures of Lincoln at Gettysburg taken a short time before his famous address.
Detractors argue that the person identified as Lincoln could actually be Ward Hill Lamon, Lincoln’s friend and self appointed bodyguard. He also wore a beard (and mustache) and favored wearing stove pipe hats. Lamon accompied Lincoln to the Gettysburg ceremonies that day and is photographed wearing his stovetop hat.
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November 21st, 2009, 06:05 PM
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Are you OK Gannon? I know I joke, but...please be wary and recognize the boundaries before it is too late.
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Wow! You seem to be having a lot of fun with this. I don't know. I have run into a lot of coincidences like this in my life, and they seem to me to be just fun surprise gifts to treasure. They have not yet turned into anything strange or interactive, even with my help and wishes. Maybe there is still time, I have a decade or three left in me. Or could be, I am just not that important in the grand schemes of the universe.
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November 21st, 2009, 08:16 PM
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At any rate, when I read your trail of connections I thought to myself "six degrees of separation" (even less in a smaller area than the globe)... and when you bring it down to people interested in related topics, using electronic communications (not everyone does), sharing localities in some cases... then I don't find it shocking.
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I thought of the related interests factor too. That would make people more likely to cross paths.
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Pam,
I've been trying to explain it away from the beginning, too, but it is simply not that easy. Getting out of this mobius-gordian knot might be impossible at this point...and even if I could I wouldn't want to. Thanks for hanging with me.
Gaz,
I'm having fun. But it is deeper than that, as if I've stumbled upon my purpose. I'll be purifying myself tomorrow morning at a native sweat for the first time, with a group that I trust in a sacred space. Thought you'd like to know.
Cc,
I have given you no reason to ask that question. I 'hear' your warning as a distinct negative designed to induce fear, I thought I told you what you can do with negatives. I don't think I've ever been better. I could bump into the end of the simulation now and be totally ready for it.
Stosh,
I did take the afternoon off...5-9...soaked and napped. There might still be some Tequila roaming through the system, so I'll guard my thoughts and speech for a while.
Cheers, all, it is all adding up. I cannot wait to see the summation.
Much love,
John
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November 21st, 2009, 09:55 PM
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Oh, and one more thing, Sturge, the future is NOT known...it is not etched in stone. Every time they peeked it was different. The multiverse is the aggregate of each sentient being's decisions and actions.
Some of the things were constant, like catastrophes that hit and such, but overall we are still in control over our personal destinies, and as a whole the masses can still be moved.
There are unseen benevolent, malicious, and neutral beings. They seem to run the illusion, and the assumption from religion that the good ones run it and the bad ones interfere is exactly backwards. This earth IS the locked-down domain of a certain Lucifer that was kicked out of the highest level of the Heavens and for whatever reason a third of the sentient angels followed him to the same fate.
Apparently they are the ones running the illumination here, given some restraints by the Maker. And while we have power over them, since they are not perceived by most, it is not commonly known or affected.
The dark or evil angel/aliens somehow feed off of negative energy...OUR anxieties, fears, hatred, and worse. I'm telling you it is not dissimilar to Monsters, Inc. I know I sound totally crazy with this, but time will bear out my words.
There is a faction of leadership over the physical obvious realm of the earth related to the leader of these dark angels. Both public and hidden, just as many suspected. They DO closely watch their bloodlines, there is no mistaking how W and Prince Charles were cousins only 230 or so years after the revolution...and why the Bush family are so close to the Saudi royals, among other oddities.
So, while tedious at times, it is worth a complete listen. 5 hours. I'm going back to my second hearing, listening more closely now. Taking notes. It is one wild ride this Basiago fellow presents.
Cheers and more on a beautiful Saturday night.
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The saga continues.
I got a mysterious friend request from someone NOT linked to any of my friends.
One Sammie Lynn-Soul.
So I sent them a note.
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I am puzzled by your friend request. How is it we may know each other? How did you find me?!
Sincerely,
John
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I would like to be your friend. I do not know you, I know of you. A mystery to you, yet it is not.
Life is only a journey, the journey is yours to decide. The journey I am looking to venture is with you. Your mind is equal to mine. I can learn from you, and you from I. I am schooled only from within. As are you.
I will tell you now, we will never meet.
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My gut tells me to flee from them.
My mind says the same, nothing is worth dabbling in anonymity. I don't do it on the 'net, why would I on Facebook?
Sorry, Sammie. The Universe will understand, I hope you do, too.
Plus, my schooling is from without, I just keep it all within. I can take NO claim for the wisdom in my head and heart and soul. I distinctly get that from the Great Spirit. Every time I ask for more, it arrives.
Cheers all, on this foggy Sunday morning. I'm going to sweat my way to illumination, see you on the other side of this meeting...maybe three o'clock or so I'll be back.
Much Love,
John
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November 22nd, 2009, 11:43 AM
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Interesting analysis of that photograph of Grant. It's definately been doctored.
Nowadays it's hard to believe any picture you see. It's so easy now to "photoshop" any picture and do it very well.
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November 22nd, 2009, 04:09 PM
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"I don't think I've ever been better" classic manic comment...are you sure Gannon? Just be cautious please.
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November 22nd, 2009, 08:08 PM
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I specifically reject your suggestion of 'manic' anything, Cc. Once again, I send it back to you tenfold. Careful with that.
You are about to be ignored.
This is your last warning, I will not respond to anything you ever say here again, if you keep up this bullshit armchair psychology.
You are NOT qualified to give any sort of diagnosis, let alone one over the internet based on typed words.
You don't know me. It is highly unlikely that you ever will.
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November 22nd, 2009, 08:10 PM
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Sturge,
Curious it was from the same guy who either took or held THIS photograph of the Gettysburg Address.
I've analyzed it closely, and the digital version of this image was most CERTAINLY doctored...now to look at the original.
There is NO mistaking the erasing of the young boy's face. I have all but proven it in an article I've written. It will not be published here, and I will not leak the contents other than what we've already discussed.
Cheers!
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November 23rd, 2009, 08:43 AM
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JohnnyRocker,
I really only started this thread so there would be some immediate public record of my discoveries and research. I needed to have a collection of witnesses, even if only the ten or so of you who are reading along.
Believe me, if I could walk away from all this and be someone else, I would leap at the chance...sometimes.
Other times, it is so compelling, I forget to eat and sleep for days.
And then another confirmation comes along seemingly from left field that sends me further down the hole.
I got another just yesterday.
Took part in a Native American Sweat Lodge, and the leader made references more than a few times to things outside our perception using the specific terms that fit what I'm tracking above, so afterward I felt compelled to ask him directly about Andrew D. Basiago and the whole Mars thing.
His reply?
He has access to all of his incarnations throughout all time. He told me directly that the biggest liar on the whole earth is NASA. He knows there is life on Mars because he used to be a pilot to there in a past life. Something about running supplies, and that the planet that caused the asteroid belt when it exploded was a bigger water source than Earth.
I came home to listen to more of the Basiago interview on YouTube, again taking as good a collection of notes as I can, because I'm checking out his story independently, but my internet connection failed...so I'm back at it now.
The first proof is curious, now I need a place to publish it. More to come. This just keeps getting more and more interesting.
Cheers!
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Paranoia ...can sure be dizzying.
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Oh yeah, in full disclosure, I present the follow-up from Sammie Lynn-Soul, sent later that day:
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I see you have not responded. I am sad for this and hope I am able to entice you enough to reverse your thoughts to discard me.
I have learned through my stumbling that I can direct my own feet in life, to experience it freely in ways others give no notice too. I have been looking for someone to write that does not know me, that cannot guess who I am, but yet I must know of him enough to know I will be safe.
How many people (could it last this long) 20 yrs from now, 30 yrs from now, maybe even 40 will be able to say, "There was this girl, her name was Sammie Lynn Soul..."
..the ending to that sentence depends on the direction you place your feet.
If you prefer I will move on, but I am desiring you not to. I know this will be strange at first, and I promise your uneasiness will subside with time. I look forward to you teaching me who you are and what your truly about.
Should you agree to friend me, consider it a handshake promise of respect.
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I respect that. I am uncomfortable with the anonymity.
I do not hide behind anything, even with my internet posts.
I have NOT 'discarded' you at all. I am merely pondering it.
Can you at least tell me WHERE you found me?
I'm not really good at cat and mouse.
It bores me, frankly. I do not entice easily.
Are you trying to protect yourself, me, or more?!
If so, why?
I fully understand that individuals of pure heart and good intent do not need to hide.
I am not afraid of anything, and nobody can hold anything of value against me, because I do not value things. My focus is beyond this plane of existence, and multiple times in my life it has been proven to be real and true, despite the lack of hard evidence.
You drop into my perception at the exact time that other seeming co-incidences send me cascading down a mountainslide of conclusions of lifelong theories...and you wish to remain anonymous.
Still pondering...but you are right, it doesn't look promising.
Cheers!
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So far, crickets. I hope I didn't offend her.
Cheers!
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