President Trump and the economic challenges of inner city neighborhoods

[Zacha341]

That's right! A growing percentage are going independent as well!

I think more and more black voters are starting to realize, the democratic party, has played them like a fiddle over the years, and that's what helped Hillary lose the election. She didn't get nearly the black vote that Obama did. She concentrated on the black vote, and millennials and overlooked the white rural and mainstream ones.

[Hypestyles]

universal voting registration is needed. Also universal absentee voting is needed.
More substantive engagement is needed with black electorates. Hire black people to do outreach. Don't rely on 95% white college kids to go to distinctly black neighborhoods for canvassing. Hire black owned PR firms and political/marketing consultancies. Pay some money. Not everyone can "volunteer" to the utmost, especially if you're talking about minority-heavy neighborhoods that may be economically disadvantaged. a year+ before the election, have sustained ads bought and pitch feature articles with black-owned newspapers, radio outlets, TV outlets.
Roland Martin mentioned today on a radio show that Clinton strategists included buying ads for the Ellen DeGeneres show as part of their "black voter outreach" plan. SMH...

[Wesley Mouch]

Which is why Hillary received the vast majority of the black vote, and about the same % as Obama?

Black voter participation was down, probably because everyone thought the election was done-deal, but blacks aren't going to be voting for a know-nothing racist clown like Trump. Will never happen.

Random Trump quote on race:

When I am President, I will work to ensure that all of our kids are treated equally, and protected equally. Every action I take, I will ask myself: does this make life better for young Americans in Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, Ferguson who have as much of a right to live out their dreams as any other child in America?

[canuck]

Random Trump quote on race:
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He musta got polluted on Jack Daniels when he spoke those lines. I wouldn't expect less from a casino owning crotch grabbing humanitarian. A true statesman. Lol.

[Wesley Mouch]

He musta got polluted on Jack Daniels when he spoke those lines. I wouldn't expect less from a casino owning crotch grabbing humanitarian. A true statesman. Lol.

Remember I don't like the man, nor his 'style'... But if you look around you'll find that he said a lot of pretty rational things, tucked in between populist rhetoric.

The question of this thread is about the economic challenges of inner-city neighborhoods.

Using Trump's rhetoric to prove that he's a crotch-grabber is irrelevant. [[Not to mention that the quotation was around 15 years ago.) We know he's not polite. The question is... can urban economic challenges be addressed by Trump? And I think there's just as much chance under Trump as there was under Obama. Obama didn't do much good for our central cities. And I know Hillary was going to condemn black kids to DPS against their free will. So Trump at least will probably maintain Charters -- and that's at least a chance for kids.

[canuck]

Remember I don't like the man, nor his 'style'... But if you look around you'll find that he said a lot of pretty rational things, tucked in between populist rhetoric.

The question of this thread is about the economic challenges of inner-city neighborhoods.

Using Trump's rhetoric to prove that he's a crotch-grabber is irrelevant. [[Not to mention that the quotation was around 15 years ago.) We know he's not polite. The question is... can urban economic challenges be addressed by Trump? And I think there's just as much chance under Trump as there was under Obama. Obama didn't do much good for our central cities. And I know Hillary was going to condemn black kids to DPS against their free will. So Trump at least will probably maintain Charters -- and that's at least a chance for kids.

Yes, I realize he needs a shot at it like every other elected politician. Bar that though, and we are witness to someone with not only bad manners but a shitty agenda of disparaging Political professionals in order ro justify some more abysmal behavior. I can't easily imagine him running affairs of State without damaging the democratic process, and alliances beyond borders.

Of course, Obama's 8 years in office have done nothing to erase the nasty crime statistics in his adopted Chicago. That will be a negative legacy.
Who knows, the right and the left are both anxious about this coming tenure.
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[emu steve]

I have only read a few of the posts, so here goes [[anyway):

I think Trump's agenda is macro, and probably much like Reagan's, and not micro targeted at specific issues, e.g., inner cities.

In other words: A rising tide raises all boats.

I expect to see the biggest infrastructure stimulus package he can. That leads to job creation and stimulates the economy generally [[building a 2B buck bridge takes engineering, skilled trades, materials, etc. etc.). I always say you can import an Apple or Samsung phone from Asia, but not a bridge.

I expect he'll try to stimulate the mining and extraction industries [[doesn't do much for Detroit, though).

He'll try large tax cuts which are usually stimulative, but also increase the deficit.

So if Trump can get the economy growing stronger [[GDP up to say 3 - 4% growth) it will help the country as a whole and also help cities but the effect will be uneven.

Other than roads and bridges I don't see Trump doing a lot for Detroit, Chicago, etc.

IF the GOP agrees to say a 500B infrastructure spending package [[over 5 years) my question is and always has been: why not 2, 4, or 6 years ago???? And why not increase the min. wage to help drive up incomes at the bottom and those making slightly above the min. wage?

Did the GOP not want to give Obama a win with infrastructure and job growth? Just think what a tighter job market could have done for wages?

[renf]

The comments of EMU Steve are on the mark. President Trump's advisors might advocate an expansion of Jack Kemp's Empowerment Zone strategy even though we have little
evidence that it worked. Such a program fits with the idea of cutting taxes for business so that they employ a few more workers. It would be better if there were an effort to raise the minimum wage to about $12.

We now have a kind of experiment since about four states and seven or so cities with have minimum wages of about $13 to $15 per hour by the end of Trump's first term.
Will fast food restaurants automate in those places cutting employment or will
employment stay pretty much the same? One of the fastest growing occupations at low wage rates are those jobs that provide care for the elderly in their homes. I have read that the Japanese have tried to automate some of those jobs but that seems unlikely to me. And Arizona passed a law requiring that minimum wage workers get some benefits. We will see how that works.

[emu steve]

The comments of EMU Steve are on the mark. President Trump's advisors might advocate an expansion of Jack Kemp's Empowerment Zone strategy even though we have little
evidence that it worked. Such a program fits with the idea of cutting taxes for business so that they employ a few more workers. It would be better if there were an effort to raise the minimum wage to about $12.

We now have a kind of experiment since about four states and seven or so cities with have minimum wages of about $13 to $15 per hour by the end of Trump's first term.
Will fast food restaurants automate in those places cutting employment or will
employment stay pretty much the same? One of the fastest growing occupations at low wage rates are those jobs that provide care for the elderly in their homes. I have read that the Japanese have tried to automate some of those jobs but that seems unlikely to me. And Arizona passed a law requiring that minimum wage workers get some benefits. We will see how that works.

Thanks.

Quite frankly I don't see anything Trump is proposing is really new. Mostly taken from Reagan and Jack Kemp and their Supply Side ideology. Even "Make America Great Again" was borrowed from Reagan: "Make America Great".

My recollection of history [[but I didn't pay much attention then) is that Reagan stimulated the economy with tax cuts but also ran up the deficit. The rising economy propelled him to a landslide win in 1984. [[Kind of like a person enjoying a nice life maxing out that home equity line of credit.)

Quite frankly, the rising tide [[based on deficit spending) will help some more than others.

I'm just not sure how much it will help those living in Detroit, Chicago [[Trump seems to have noticed that city), etc.

I would like infrastructure spending because we BADLY need it [[lot of our infrastructure was done during the Eisenhower years), it will put people to work, tighten the labor force [[as will cutting down immigration), maybe some min. wage increases mentioned above, etc. etc.

I became an adult during an era of a). strong unions b). tight labor force both of which kept wages high and meant getting a job was pretty damn easy.

If the labor force becomes really tight again, then wages will rise, employers will need to train employees again, etc. and living standards will rise again.

One thing I haven't heard folks discuss: state and local government employment. Decades ago there was plenty of government hiring which was very good for say college grads with certain degrees. That dried up like a desert during the Great Recession. Government employment wages has stagnated.

That's another sector which has been really hurt in the last 10 years.

[Johnnny5]

Trump can improve the lives of inner city Americans by following through on his promise to tackle illegal immigration. Millions of working class Americans have been displaced and seen their wages stagnate due to the use of illegal foreign workers, and Black Americans without a high school diploma have been hurt more than any other group.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...esty-j-delgado

Make E-Verify the law of the land and give it teeth! Punish those businesses that are cheating the system [[and American workers) by employing illegal aliens and Americans at the bottom will once again have a chance to get ahead.

[Bham1982]

Trump can improve the lives of inner city Americans by following through on his promise to tackle illegal immigration. Millions of working class Americans have been displaced and seen their wages stagnate due to the use of illegal foreign workers, and Black Americans without a high school diploma have been hurt more than any other group.

Trump has already admitted that all his anti-immigrant campaign speech was just to get the bigot vote. Legally he can't do anything more than what Obama is currently doing.

And your premise, BTW, is completely bizarre. The idea that you would help inner cities by deporting immigrants is absurd. Immigrants are the lifeblood of our urban centers. How are African Americans harmed by immigration?

The crappiest places in America are those with the least immigration. Just try and find an immigrant in Flint or Youngstown. The most prosperous places in the U.S. have the most immigrants. NYC, LA, SF, have the highest salaries, most job growth, etc.

Make E-Verify the law of the land and give it teeth! Punish those businesses that are cheating the system [[and American workers) by employing illegal aliens and Americans at the bottom will once again have a chance to get ahead.

Zero chance of this happening. The far right will never support additional burdens on employers. And there is no economist who will agree with your premise. Immigrants grow jobs and wealth, they don't take them away.

[emu steve]

All I can say about Trump's plans in a nutshell:

Never seen anything like it in my lifetime.

Will we get 4% [[GDP) growth or recession?

Will the country come together or divide like we saw during the Vietnam war?

Steve Bannon talked of their ideology prevailing for 50 YEARS [[or maybe lasting 50 MONTHS, I'd think is also possible).

In Nov. 2012, I predicted 'four more years [[of the same).

Now I forecast 'four years of ?????????????????????'

Interesting I saw a CNBC article suggesting instead of fearing recession we should fear depression.

We operate in an era of low inflation, low interest rates [[dependent on cheap foreign goods). What would tariffs do to foreign goods? What would tariffs do to foreign trade [[exports/imports)? Was that part of what led to the Great Depression????

How this pertains to Detroit and Michigan: The economy and financial well being of both is borderline. Detroit is doing better post-bankruptcy but hardly AAA bond caliber finances.

The LAST thing Detroit needs is a national recession. All of what Gilbert and others are doing presupposes that the Detroit/Michigan economies remain at current levels [[or even better).

[FlyOnTheWall]

Who are these "two experienced businessmen" you're referring to, and why would you assume that "experienced businessmen" would have the acumen to solve social problems?

Just a quick question... Is Detroit's problem a social problem, a money problem or both? I'd like your input to this question.

[softailrider]

Trump ran on an explicit white supremacist campaign. His entire platform was centered around white nationalism. His campaign kickoff speech was led off with "Mexicans are rapists and murderers." His political base was the alt-right, KKK, and various white nationalist organizations.

You can make any bizarre excuses you want. The absurd, delusional comments in this thread accusing Obama of being in the KKK and the like are quite illustrative in indicating the white nationalist agenda of the Trump voter. Decent Americans will resist Trump at every turn, and those who enabled Trump will get their just desserts. We will never forget.

Can I get lemon meringue pie for my dessert? It's my favorite.

[canuck]

Can I get lemon meringue pie for my dessert? It's my favorite.

You've not even had the entrée yet but you might want to cut the dessert in the middle of the main course.

[softailrider]

Is this a serious question? Have you been living in a cave this past year?

Trump's entire campaign was based on racism. He won election based on a white nationalist platform.

He called Mexicans "rapists and murderers". He called Hispanic women "Miss Housekeeping". He promised to sic cops on African Americans, and promised to violate the constitution in the process. He promised to ban Muslims from the U.S. He has repeatedly been found culpable for racial discrimination by the U.S. Justice Department. He accepted and retweeted endorsements from the KKK and other hate organizations. He claimed that Hispanic judges couldn't be impartial. He claimed that American Muslim mothers were incapable of patriotism. He even claimed our first black President was a "Muslim Kenyan" with no birth records.

Trump is a racist pig, and will be resisted at every turn. He is an American tragedy, and will be the downfall of this country if he isn't defeated. Anyone who supports him is going down, hard.

So anyone who supports him is "going down hard" All the people who voted for him support him, are the Hillary voters not going down hard? Are they going down easy? Are they not going down at all? Maybe he's everything you say he is but your last sentence sounds somewhat insane.

[Zacha341]

^^^ I suggest you don one of the those 'not my president' button [[or maybe a tattoo stating such) to insure you're not one of the folks 'going down'!

The problem of sorting and sifting the who's who may emerge otherwise.

[clubboss]

For your viewing enjoyment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk

[canuck]

For your viewing enjoyment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk

Thank you boss. I've been looking for someone to validate my racial superiority without having to come out and say so myself.

I can't sing or dance, am lousy at sports. I'm the perfect poster child for Richard Spencer's outfit. Count me in.

[Bham1982]

Can I get lemon meringue pie for my dessert? It's my favorite.

I have no idea what this means. Is lemon meringue pie supposed to be some "funny" white supremacist meme? I don't follow hate websites, so you're gonna have to clue me in.

[Bham1982]

So anyone who supports him is "going down hard"

Yes, I do think that history will punish Trump supporters harshly. This is not something that's going away. People who support a white supremacist for President will get their just desserts.

[Zacha341]

^^^ Yes, yet we will all be impacted by his policies going forth.

[Johnnny5]

Trump has already admitted that all his anti-immigrant campaign speech was just to get the bigot vote. Legally he can't do anything more than what Obama is currently doing.

And your premise, BTW, is completely bizarre. The idea that you would help inner cities by deporting immigrants is absurd. Immigrants are the lifeblood of our urban centers.

First of all, you are 100% incorrect in your claim that Trump can't do anything more to fight illegal immigration. Obama has not only refused to enforce current immigration laws, he has actually fought against their enforcement by executive action [[Through unconstitutional steps of DACA and DAPA and by suing state and local law enforcement agencies.)

How are African Americans harmed by immigration?

The link below was just posted on Huffingtonpost this morning.

One of the foremost experts in the area of immigration is Professor George Borjas of Harvard University. Borjas research paper titled “Immigration and African-American Employment Opportunities” stated:

The 1980-2000 immigrant influx, therefore, generally “explains” about 20 to 60 percent of the decline in wages, 25 percent of the decline in employment, and about 10 percent of the rise in incarceration rates among blacks with a high school education or less.

Carol Swain professor of law at Vanderbilt University and author of Debating Immigration stated:

I don’t believe there are any jobs that Americans won’t take, and that includes agricultural jobs, ... [[Illegal Immigration) hurts low-skilled, low-wage workers of all races, but blacks are harmed the most because they’re disproportionately low-skilled... Many of the black scholars dance around this hard issue, ... They do their research in such a way that it doesn’t address how immigration affects blacks. There’s a lot of pressure to say the politically correct thing—that immigrants aren’t hurting African Americans. Well, that’s not true.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b08c963e34433c

[Honky Tonk]

i have no idea what this means. Is lemon meringue pie supposed to be some "funny" white supremacist meme? I don't follow hate websites, so you're gonna have to clue me in.

omg!......

[GMan]

omg!......

Wow
even food is becoming racial now.
WHEN WILL THE INSANITY END???