Surrendered; The Rise, Fall & Revelation of Kwame Kilpatrick

**skyl4rk** · June-03-11, 07:47 AM

Looking at the photo on the book cover, what is the psychological significance of the "church and steeple" hands over the mouth?

**313hero** · June-03-11, 08:07 AM

I for one am sick and tired of all the Kwame bashing. Get over yourselves people, get over KK. He's gone. Dave Bing is the Mayor now and have been for years. If you dont like him thats cool, I have no problem w/ that but the constent bashing and name calling and just plai hatred relly makes my blood boil. the funny part is Most of you bashers claim to be Christians. You're not christians at all, its just something cool to say on sundays. The man had numerous affairs, true. but guess what non of us are married to him.
Its also funny that non of you people acknowledge that GB and Stefani EXTORTED 2+ Million from the city. Yeah KK commited a perjury and is being punished for it. However PROSECUTOR Karen Plants, JUDGE Waterstone, and TWO Inkster COPS, lied on the stand also. KP got 6 months in jail, and in that sentence she's allowed to leave jail and go to work from 6am-9pm. the cops got MISDEMEANORS and I believe 90 days, and after they finished they can go back to being cops because they got misdemeanors. and the funny part is non of you HATE them. non of you blog about them or anything.
now back to the Extortion. AFTER the trial was over the jury awarded GB $6 mill. Stefani Suspeonaed the messages after KK vowed to appeal. GB told Stefani that KK always used his text device and if Stefani could get them they would have basicly an insurance policy. So Stefani violated court orders and had the messages forwarded to him. Stefani then Gave the Free Press a copy of the messages he illegaly obtained for "Safe keeping" then Stefani presented what he had to the city lawyers, saying settle this case now for $8 mill instead of the 6, meaning I want 2 mill more to keep these texs secret or I'm going to give them to the media. But Wait he already gave them to the media. Thats Blackmail and Extortion.
But since you guys hate KK so much you overlook that, and since you "love" the city so much and wanted KK out of office w/o the vote of the people you treat lying about an affair waaaaay more harshly than the ppl who came up with a Dirty Trick to insure they would get Millions from the city You "love" so much.
I have a dif view of KK than most of you cause I actually was involved and felt good about Detroit's Future while he was in office. I learned an awfull lot and was able to get involved. I for one was sad the day he left, cause I knew the city was going to be lame. It was so much going on in the city while he was Mayor and now nothing. what's coming up??? what is there to look forward to???
You guys like Bing. Bing Cool but he's not young enough or resourcefull enough to make things fun. what plans does he have to involve the youth, entertain the youth, keep the youth in the city. and I dont mean the gang bangers, I mean the young prof. Now when I want to hang out I go to Chicago. I dont hang out in the burbs cause I dont feel comfortable in the burbs. I'll rather hop on the train and go to Chicago. I go @ least once sometimes twice a month, just to get a few drinks and chill out. Its something terribly wrong w/ that picture.
But keep on hating, I'm Buying the book, As a matter of fact I ordered it yesterday, and I'm going to read every word. See for many of us KK is a Hero. He didnt do everything perfect, he made alot of mistakes and commited some crimes, but He gave me Hope and the realization that a guy like me from Linwood can do great things. so thats what I do.

**agirlintheD** · June-03-11, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Detroitej72

This joker really has no shame. I actually heard the news interview some people who said they plan to buy the book because "the man deserves to have his side told".

Didn't he have a chance to "have his side told" in court...when he chose to lie? He made that conscious decision not to tell the truth! And the raping of Detroit continues from this guy....UGH!!!!

**Downtown Lady** · June-03-11, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by 313hero

Yeah KK commited a perjury and is being punished for it. However PROSECUTOR Karen Plants, JUDGE Waterstone, and TWO Inkster COPS, lied on the stand also. KP got 6 months in jail, and in that sentence she's allowed to leave jail and go to work from 6am-9pm. the cops got MISDEMEANORS and I believe 90 days, and after they finished they can go back to being cops because they got misdemeanors. and the funny part is non of you HATE them. non of you blog about them or anything.

In what appears to be your attempt to paint Kwame's current incarceration as unfair [[in terms of its length), you say that Karen Plants [[with whom I am not familiar) got 6 months, and the Inkster police [[again, I am not familiar with this) got 90 days.

If you will remember, Kwame spent only a few months in jail originally -- if I am remembering correctly, maybe not even 90 days. His current incarceration is due to probation violation and failing to pay restitution. He completely had control over this -- he caused himself to end up back in prison.

I think your passion could be better directed to causes that are actually worthy of it. I hope that you pay close attention to his upcoming federal trial, and really open your eyes to how much this man stole from the city. He is a con artist and a thief, and is not deserving of the high regard you have for him.

You would surely not call someone that mugs you and steals your wallet a "hero" -- Kwame is no different than that type of petty criminal, but he masterminded doing it on a large scale and used the city's finances as his own personal ATM.

**Downtown Lady** · June-03-11, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by 313hero

but He gave me Hope and the realization that a guy like me from Linwood can do great things. so thats what I do.

Of course you can do great things, but you don't need Kwame to tell you that. He achieved his status through criminal means, and look where it put him. He is not the kind of role model that you need.

**SWMAP** · June-03-11, 10:09 AM

313hero is a callow young man. As far as I can tell, his support for KK is rooted in KK's street persona: polished, flashy, energetic, YOUNG:

"You guys like Bing. Bing Cool but he's not young enough or resourcefull enough to make things fun. what plans does he have to involve the youth, entertain the youth, keep the youth in the city. and I dont mean the gang bangers, I mean the young prof. Now when I want to hang out I go to Chicago. I dont hang out in the burbs cause I dont feel comfortable in the burbs. I'll rather hop on the train and go to Chicago. I go @ least once sometimes twice a month, just to get a few drinks and chill out."

Just a few years ago, two cities , each just a river's width apart, elected really young mayors. Each young man had to prove himself. One buckled down and grew into the role and his city is really, truthfully on the upswing in prosperity and investment. He is getting a lot of earned credit. And the other young mayor? He turned out to be a liar and world-class rip-off artist.

313hero either doesn't know the story of Windsor's young mayor Francis or ignores it. He's too young or too immature torecognize the important difference between flash/thuggery and real leadership.

**Downtown Lady** · June-03-11, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by skyl4rk

Looking at the photo on the book cover, what is the psychological significance of the "church and steeple" hands over the mouth?

Interestingly enough, this exact question was answered on the tv show Lie to Me, which revolved around getting the truth out of criminals based on their body language.

They said that when someone has that kind of body language, they are in effect "shushing" themselves; they are holding back from saying what they really want to say. Lie to Me would use real photos of famous people to illustrate their points, and for this point, they actually used a photo of Kwame in that pose.

**313hero** · June-03-11, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Downtown Lady

In what appears to be your attempt to paint Kwame's current incarceration as unfair [[in terms of its length), you say that Karen Plants [[with whom I am not familiar) got 6 months, and the Inkster police [[again, I am not familiar with this) got 90 days.

"If you will remember, Kwame spent only a few months in jail originally -- if I am remembering correctly, maybe not even 90 days. His current incarceration is due to probation violation and failing to pay restitution. He completely had control over this -- he caused himself to end up back in prison."
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He shouldnt be incarcerated for parole violations. Remember he was given 5 Years to pay the $1 mill. in his FIRST year on probation he was asked to pay half of the 1 mill. thats why he's incarcerated. they went from 5 years to half the first year and whatever for the remaining 4 years I guess. he's in jail cause he got a Loan. since when other than w/ KK has a debt been considered an asset??? KK paid 180K+- in his first year on probation straight out of jail. how many ppl you know can do that? or will do that? nevermind the fact that he was dragged into court numerous times during his 1st year on the job and couldnt even if he wanted to have a succesfull career working to pay the city back. and I know yall going to say "he said he could only pay $6" thats not what happened @ all. the media has spent it into that, but if you actually kept up w/ what actually happened you would know this is what happened. KK was ordered to pay 30% of his INCOME. @ that time he was making 20K per month for the first 6 months paying 6k in rest0. after that period he began making 10k per month, now hears where the story got manipulated, he stated if he continued paying the 6k which would amount to 60% of his income instead of the COURT ordered 30% he would only have $6 left after his expenses. understand what actually happened now? so after the media went crazy about him paying 3k instead of 6k, they decided to have those hearings. then they found out he got LOANS in the sum of 250K for his wife and family. they also found out he had 80k in his CHILDRENS college fund and demanded he paid the 250k to restitution and the 80k in 90 days. ignoring the FACT that the 250k was a debt NOT income, and Ignoring the FACT that the 80k was savings and not income. Thats why He's in jail today. 330K in 90 days on top of the 150k he had already paid comes up to 480k in the first year. so why was he givin 5 years to pay it if he had to pay almost half the 1st out 5 years?

**313hero** · June-03-11, 11:39 AM

The Fed case is just that a case. he has to be proven guilty in a court of law b4 he's actually guilty. thats how it is in America isnt it. and as far as ppl saying he "Stole" all the cities money he hasnt been charged with nothing regarding stealing, nor embezzlement. So what monney did he actually "Steal" Oh I forgot he's King Kwame and can kill strippers steal all the money and ride away in the sunset like nothing happened without leaving a trail. I also forgot he was a superhero with super human powers to control the minds and pump fear in any and everybody who knows anything he did wrong. so I guess you guys are right maybee the X-Men need to be called in to rid the world of this venomous creature.

bartock · June-03-11, 11:43 AM

C'mon, just say it...you know you want to...the card's in hand, all you have to do is throw it out there. You...are...sooooo...close....

**ejames01** · June-03-11, 11:43 AM

That is the way it is when you are on probation. If you violate, then you go to prison. Those of us who are not convicted felons don't have to worry about that.

Though, this is nothing compared to what the feds is going to do to him.

Originally Posted by 313hero

He shouldnt be incarcerated for parole violations. Remember he was given 5 Years to pay the $1 mill. in his FIRST year on probation he was asked to pay half of the 1 mill. thats why he's incarcerated. they went from 5 years to half the first year and whatever for the remaining 4 years I guess. he's in jail cause he got a Loan. since when other than w/ KK has a debt been considered an asset??? KK paid 180K+- in his first year on probation straight out of jail. how many ppl you know can do that? or will do that? nevermind the fact that he was dragged into court numerous times during his 1st year on the job and couldnt even if he wanted to have a succesfull career working to pay the city back. and I know yall going to say "he said he could only pay $6" thats not what happened @ all. the media has spent it into that, but if you actually kept up w/ what actually happened you would know this is what happened. KK was ordered to pay 30% of his INCOME. @ that time he was making 20K per month for the first 6 months paying 6k in rest0. after that period he began making 10k per month, now hears where the story got manipulated, he stated if he continued paying the 6k which would amount to 60% of his income instead of the COURT ordered 30% he would only have $6 left after his expenses. understand what actually happened now? so after the media went crazy about him paying 3k instead of 6k, they decided to have those hearings. then they found out he got LOANS in the sum of 250K for his wife and family. they also found out he had 80k in his CHILDRENS college fund and demanded he paid the 250k to restitution and the 80k in 90 days. ignoring the FACT that the 250k was a debt NOT income, and Ignoring the FACT that the 80k was savings and not income. Thats why He's in jail today. 330K in 90 days on top of the 150k he had already paid comes up to 480k in the first year. so why was he givin 5 years to pay it if he had to pay almost half the 1st out 5 years?

**313hero** · June-03-11, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Downtown Lady

In what appears to be your attempt to paint Kwame's current incarceration as unfair [[in terms of its length), you say that Karen Plants [[with whom I am not familiar) got 6 months, and the Inkster police [[again, I am not familiar with this) got 90 days.

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that statement right there helps alot. Karen Plant's "Whom I am Not Familiar. how can you not be familliar w/ what she a judge and 2 police officers did. well I bring you up to speed. it was a huge drug bust. the bust happened because the police had a paid informant working w/ them. the informant was told e would receive 100k for his involvement. but when it came down to the trial the prosecutor, judge and cops conspired to lie about the informants involvement in the bust. they wanted to treat as if they just got lucky or just did good police work, cause they didnt want the defense to question the informant, so they lied and played it as if the informant was busted also. the only reason it came to light was because the informant didnt get paid and he told on them. that was in 2005. Karen Plants was Kym Worthy's TOP drug prosecutor, KW defended their lying in the CRIMINAL case all while going after KK for lying about an affair in the CIVIL case.
Now I wonder how you could not have heard of this. Hmmm let me guess, the MEDIA left it alone, thats how. one small story a couple times in the paper. 2 cops, a prosecutor and a judge. and you wonder why I feel the way I do huh

**SWMAP** · June-03-11, 12:15 PM

Now if Karen Plants, who lost her law license, violates the terms of her parole [[ which hasn't been granted yet) like KK did, we'll have to see if she's treated leniently .

**313hero** · June-03-11, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by SWMAP

Now if Karen Plants, who lost her law license, violates the terms of her parole [[ which hasn't been granted yet) like KK did, we'll have to see if she's treated leniently .

Its already proven by the fact she only has to spend her nights in jail. she is free from 6am to 9pm during her sentence. she's released @ 6am and has to report back @ 9pm. is that lenient enough for ya

bartock · June-03-11, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Downtown Lady

In what appears to be your attempt to paint Kwame's current incarceration as unfair [[in terms of its length), you say that Karen Plants [[with whom I am not familiar) got 6 months, and the Inkster police [[again, I am not familiar with this) got 90 days.

If you will remember, Kwame spent only a few months in jail originally -- if I am remembering correctly, maybe not even 90 days. His current incarceration is due to probation violation and failing to pay restitution. He completely had control over this -- he caused himself to end up back in prison.

I think your passion could be better directed to causes that are actually worthy of it. I hope that you pay close attention to his upcoming federal trial, and really open your eyes to how much this man stole from the city. He is a con artist and a thief, and is not deserving of the high regard you have for him.

You would surely not call someone that mugs you and steals your wallet a "hero" -- Kwame is no different than that type of petty criminal, but he masterminded doing it on a large scale and used the city's finances as his own personal ATM.

I think this bears repeating, although you can't really fight the barely-veiled agenda.

**Detroitej72** · June-03-11, 12:31 PM

Hey 313Hero, are you by chance Bobby Ferguson or one of Kwame's cronies who benefitted financially, because you sure sound like an apoligist. If an average joe like myself faced those charges, I would have been sent to the pokie for a lot longer than KK was before he arrogantly thumbed his nose at the system. The bottom line is he did the crime, now he has to pay the piper.

Most of the acomplishments that were credited to the Kwamster actually were started under Archer, by the way.

**SWMAP** · June-03-11, 12:34 PM

KK certainly didn't win the Super Bowl. That was Archer & the MDCVB.

**313hero** · June-03-11, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by SWMAP

KK certainly didn't win the Super Bowl. That was Archer & the MDCVB.

Yeah Archer did get the superbowl here. Cool no argument there. but KK made it off the hook. everybody had the greatest time ever in Detroit that week. I'm only 28 so the Detroit from the 40's, 50's,60's mean absolutely nothing to me. I'm from the Detroit of 1982 to now. but since you want to bring up the super bowl, bring up the elite 8, the final 4, the grand prix returning, Saviors Day [[I know you were not there but it was great @ Ford field), the football classic, Dad's Day Out, River Days, and the list goes on and on. whats up now??? whats coming up this year??? Nothing. did I mention PERMINENT Casinos. I forgot my bad. yeah, yeah, yeah Archer did broker the Casino deal but it was tremendously flawed leaving the city OWING the Casinos 150 Mill. KK aleviated that problem. and Archer cut out the only Black Owners bid for a Casino Don Barden and Michael Jackson. I didnt appreciate that @ all. Now maybee others did, but i didnt.

**SWMAP** · June-03-11, 12:56 PM

I hate to stomp on you - but I have to ask what great things you are acomplishing since KK gave you hope that a guy from linwood could "do great things.". But first let's agree that KK was the adored first-born son of a privledged family. Both parents were very-well connected and had good jobs all his life. He was walking around in the Manoogian House as a mere boy, chatting with the Mayor.

Closer to the guy from Linwood scenario would be Barack Obama, the Black child of an 18 year old single woman who never made more than a few dollars in her entire life and who was not connected at all to any movers and shakers. If you want hope that you can accomplish "great things" [[not the flashy stuff)- there it is all laid out for you.

**SWMAP** · June-03-11, 01:02 PM

Dear friend: KK did nothing for most of those things. Think: Riverfront Conservancy for River Days, the MDCVB [[again) for bidding on hosting the Final Four, etc. No one in the city raised the money for those parties. The City contributed police protection & snow removal. The Mayor was a figurehead. His people had their hands out. Do you know that the Red Bull people wouldn't host their last event in Detroit - just in Windsor - because their were so many people wanting to be paid-off over here?
Early on, TIME magazine named KK one of the three worst mayors in America. They were prescient.

**313hero** · June-03-11, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by SWMAP

I hate to stomp on you - but I have to ask what great things you are acomplishing since KK gave you hope that a guy from linwood could "do great things.". But first let's agree that KK was the adored first-born son of a privledged family. Both parents were very-well connected and had good jobs all his life. He was walking around in the Manoogian House as a mere boy, chatting with the Mayor.

Closer to the guy from Linwood scenario would be Barack Obama, the Black child of an 18 year old single woman who never made more than a few dollars in her entire life and who was not connected at all to any movers and shakers. If you want hope that you can accomplish "great things" [[not the flashy stuff)- there it is all laid out for you.

Actually KK is a much closer guy from Linwood just fo the simple fact he grew up on Linwood duh. he grew up in My Neighborhood. he stayed around the corner. I never ever seen Obama on Linwood. and if Obama is who you think I should look up to you're wrong. Obama is a murderer. and is sending our troops to kill and keep killing. Obama has no urban agenda, the only reason I voted for him was because he is Black, thats it.

**313hero** · June-03-11, 01:18 PM

to be honest I have alot more respect for Bush than I do for Obama. Bush did alot to help Blacks, waaay more than Obama. and if Bush ran today agaisnt Obama I'll vote for Bush

**313hero** · June-03-11, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by SWMAP

Dear friend: KK did nothing for most of those things. Think: Riverfront Conservancy for River Days, the MDCVB [[again) for bidding on hosting the Final Four, etc. No one in the city raised the money for those parties. The City contributed police protection & snow removal. The Mayor was a figurehead. His people had their hands out. Do you know that the Red Bull people wouldn't host their last event in Detroit - just in Windsor - because their were so many people wanting to be paid-off over here?
Early on, TIME magazine named KK one of the three worst mayors in America. They were prescient.

Since KK had nothing to do w/ non of that stuff. What are they doing now??? since KK's been gone the only thing thats left is winterblast and riverdays which now you have to pay for. if KK had nothing to do w/ non of that stuff, how does Archer get credit for the stuff those same orgs you named and more did then???
Free Sam Riddle

**Downtown Lady** · June-03-11, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by 313hero

Since KK had nothing to do w/ non of that stuff. What are they doing now??? since KK's been gone the only thing thats left is winterblast and riverdays which now you have to pay for.

Dude, the economy tanked in the meantime -- nobody has money anymore to sponsor what are essentially big, free parties. The lack of these events has entirely nothing to do with Kwame leaving. Just because two things happen at the same time does not mean there is a cause/effect relationship.

**Downtown Lady** · June-03-11, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by 313hero

to be honest I have alot more respect for Bush than I do for Obama. Bush did alot to help Blacks, waaay more than Obama. and if Bush ran today agaisnt Obama I'll vote for Bush

ha ha ha ha ha ha

Oh, you're serious? Oh my. Didn't Bush "send our troops to kill and keep killing?" How is that conveniently forgotten?