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    With so many legitimate criticisms that can be leveled at Obama, this "socialist" criticism bugs me the most. Bottom line, it is impossible to have a society without some socialism, liberty without some liberalism, or a democracy without some Democrats.

    Republicans beat their chest and proudly proclaim how we liberated Iraq, but in the very next breath complain how much they hate liberals. Let me get this straight, Iraq was quite conservative before we arrived.

    Now if people want to debate the extent we go in a particular direction, that's a worthy debate. But to say we need to eliminate socialism is crazy talk that will usually end up with me ignoring anyone suggesting such a thing.
    Last edited by Crumbled_pavement; September-05-10 at 01:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crumbled_pavement View Post
    With so many legitimate criticisms that can be leveled at Obama, this "socialist" criticism bugs me the most. Bottom line, it is impossible to have a society without some socialism, liberty without some liberalism, or a democracy without some Democrats.

    Republicans beat their chest and proudly proclaim how we liberated Iraq, but in the very next breath complain how much they hate liberals. Let me get this straight, Iraq was quite conservative before we arrived.

    Now if people want to debate the extent we go in a particular direction, that's a worthy debate. But to say we need to eliminate socialism is crazy talk that will usually end up with me ignoring anyone suggesting such a thing.
    I agree completely with your sentiments. There are those that cry "socialism" with no basis for fact or reason. This list of programs potentially cut is just the tip of the iceberg, sadly. People in this country need to be aware of the potential for harm to the country and it's citizens by this brand of populist drivel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crumbled_pavement View Post
    With so many legitimate criticisms that can be leveled at Obama, this "socialist" criticism bugs me the most. Bottom line, it is impossible to have a society without some socialism, liberty without some liberalism, or a democracy without some Democrats.

    Republicans beat their chest and proudly proclaim how we liberated Iraq, but in the very next breath complain how much they hate liberals. Let me get this straight, Iraq was quite conservative before we arrived.

    Now if people want to debate the extent we go in a particular direction, that's a worthy debate. But to say we need to eliminate socialism is crazy talk that will usually end up with me ignoring anyone suggesting such a thing.

    yeah, great example, you forgot one......

    The National Socialist German Workers Party [[German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) better known as the NSDAP or the Nazi Party

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goose View Post
    yeah, great example, you forgot one......

    The National Socialist German Workers Party [[German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) better known as the NSDAP or the Nazi Party

    why is it that the wingnuts are so lacking in knowledge of history?

    Since you cribbed that from Wiki, why didn't you just read a little further to find out that it was anti-liberal, anti-socialist, anti-organized labor [[they were the first group rounded up by the brownshirts, and the group from which they emerged was the german independent workers - the opposite of organized labor). They were against international capitalism [[which gave, in their mind, to much power to Jews), but the countries leading capitalists - from Deutsche Bank to Daimler - poured money into Nazi coffers, as did Ford, IBM, and other capitalist entities.

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    NO WAY! all of these socialist post-Soviet programs will be cut in the U.S. It would be the poor rising up, overthrowing the government all over again, creating a new socialist Sovietesque government all over again. We need these programs to keep American float and keep proletarians happy. The Republicans and Democrats can't cut these programs only regulate or deregulate it.

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    If I wasn't an Atheist I would thank god for socialist programs. Just knowing that if my wife isnt working when our baby is born, we will qualify for a bridge card [[ we recieve WIC now) and possibly obtain assistance paying for our electricity, has a very postive effect on peace of mind. When my son was born I was too proud to let my ex-girlfriend take any assistance, stubbornly trying to 'do what was right' until she could start working. If I could go back and do it over I would have insisted she apply for welfare[[my ex and I have more than contributed to the system since then) as it would have taken a huge strain of our relationship,getting temporary help from government programs.

    Thank you Karl Marx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goose View Post
    yeah, great example, you forgot one......

    The National Socialist German Workers Party [[German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) better known as the NSDAP or the Nazi Party
    Blah blah blah.... having to dig into the dustbin of history to make your point....

    Germany today is much more socialist than we are today... and how badly is their economy fairing in these hard times??? [[Sound of crickets....)

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