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    Ellis island was a border,you came in by ship and then you went through the process before entering the country after being somewhat vetted,and back then if you committed a crime as an immigrant,you were also deported,even if you robbed the corner grocery store,after jail you got deported.

    The 1800s we were building a nation so the masses were more welcome.

    A border wall is not designed to prevent people from entering,it’s about controlling the flow so the system does not get overwhelmed.

    One could argue that there are now cities in the U.S. that are being overwhelmed by an uncontrolled flow.

    It’s also about security because for every person seeking a better life there are others using the border to smuggle or other nefarious reasons.

    When it comes to illegal immigration there is no country in the world that will allow a U.S. citizen or a citizen from any other country to enter and stay,so what we are doing is no different then the rest of the world.

    If you are caught in those countries as an illegal you will also be arrested and deported,no different then here,actually here you have a better chance of not being deported.because there is a legal system in place unlike in a lot of other places where it is more cut and dry.

    During the depression all of the Mexicans living in California were rounded up and deported because they were stealing the jobs citizens could have,when the depression ended,they were allowed back in.

    People dramatizing an immigration system that has been going on for over 100 years like it is just something that appeared overnight.

    So really the question I have is,with all of the time people and politicians spend yelling from their soap box in support of illegal immigration amd the unfettered flow of.

    How come through the decades,the same time and energy was not spent on creating a more feasible path for them to immigrate in the first place?

    There is a system in place,no different than any other country in the world and it takes years when following it properly.

    We are fortunate enough to live in a 1st world country in a world that is neck deep in poverty and violence,we are talking about hundreds of millions that would jump at the chance for a better life in this country,even to experience what it is like to have running water and electricity.

    The immigrants that came through Ellis island,had no money,no skills,no job and no way to get food,they lived in tar paper shacks amongst the rats with no running water or electricity and no government funding.

    It was Mrs Roosevelt that after driving through an immigrate slum that noticed the deplorable conditions and started the support programs.

    But it was time limited and not designed as a life long commitment.

    Detroit as a city is struggling to help 100 immigrants,now do the right thing and open up your hearts and bring in another 30,000.

    You cannot afford it and because you cannot you have to control the flow,do not like border control ?

    Open up the Canadian border to the unregulated flow and see what happens.

    Canada is surrounded by water and has immigration policies in place,so it not like 10,000 can join a caravan and walk across the ocean,then through Canada in order to get to the United States.

    You do not need a northern border wall,because Canada is the wall ,illegals still get through Canada and our northern border but smaller numbers because there are bigger hurdles.

    When we discuss,immigration,illegal immigration,borders,DACA etc people have a tendency to lump it all together when it is a multi faceted ordeal where each facet has a totally separate set of rules that are extremely complex.

    But it starts at two places,at the border or at the embassy of a given county,it’s done that way in order to allow immigration while controlling the flow so individual cities can absorb the influx.

    Its easy to demand compassion from others when you do not have to suffer the ramifications and negative impact that comes with that compassion.

    Cities like in California that demand that compassion the loudest also have 60,000 homeless in their streets,because at the end of the day compassion cost money.
    Last edited by Richard; December-30-23 at 01:54 PM.

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