Will You USE Blended Ethanol Gas in Your Car? Will it help?

[Richard]

And despite the state slamming the tax credit legislation through in less then a week when they have not been able to fix a pothole in 4 years sorry 6 years,because they also do not think it will happen.

Why would they do that if there will be no gas stations selling it?

Your argument is based on going outside in July and there is no snow on the ground,while saying no snow so we will not have a winter.

Then you give yourself trophies for that analysis.

Like a gas pump is going to know the difference between E10 and E15,my bad I forgot,Detroit has special gas stations that nobody else in the world has,carry on.

Of course you guys may very well be recognizing that with the moves you have been making in the last 2 years,by the time June rolls around everybody will be so broke they will not be able to afford a car to even put gas in.

Maybe that’s why despite all the evidence and proof pointing to it happening or doing everything they can to make it happen,you are doubling down on it will not happen,it could also be you just do not have enough faith in your peoples agenda,that you do not even believe what they are shoveling.

If you do not believe them,why did you waste everybody’s time and money electing them?

[Gistok]

And despite the state slamming the tax credit legislation through in less then a week when they have not been able to fix a pothole in 4 years sorry 6 years,because they also do not think it will happen.

For someone that doesn't live here, you really do like saying things that are not true a lot about our state.

Here are 23 pages of construction closures... and this is only by the state [MDOT], and not even the county work done by Michigan's 83 counties...

https://mdotjboss.state.mi.us/MiDrive/construction

[Richard]

For someone that doesn't live here, you really do like saying things that are not true a lot about our state.

Here are 23 pages of construction closures... and this is only by the state [MDOT], and not even the county work done by Michigan's 83 counties...

https://mdotjboss.state.mi.us/MiDrive/construction

You really have to shut down an entire road or freeway in order to fix a pothole,we just use 6 supervisors and one guy with a shovel and a truck.

They put up a little orange triangle sign that shows a picture of a guy with a shovel and people just drive around,no need to shut the road down during the 20 minutes it takes to fix it,excluding breaks.

No wonder it takes so long.

Unless of course if you completely twisted my words in order to fit your narrative your reply would make sense,but then you would be doing the same thing as your leaders are,thinking everybody is really that stupid.

It is my fault though,when I mentioned potholes I should have clearly defined what a pothole actually is,so it would not get confused with major road construction,I figured most would know the difference,I guess I was wrong.

You are right,I do not live there,you guys may define a pothole similar to resurfacing a 26 mile stretch of freeway,where we would define it as a hole in the road that should not be there.

We also define a pothole as a road hazard,so when you call it in,it is repaired within 24 hours,because we hold our elected accountable,if I hit a pothole and it damages my car,the city pays to get it repaired because it is their job to maintain the roads,that’s why we pay taxes.

To clarify our definition of a pot hole - A hole in the surface of the roadway usually round shaped like a pot - pothole

A pot is a circular container usually used in cooking,it holds the portion within so it can be cooked without placing the food directly on the heat source,you may just open a can of soup and pour it directly on the heat source,but we are a bit more civilized.

Pot not to be confused with nowadays is referred to as weed,Mary Jane,marjuiana,wakey tabacky and numerous other names,that would have to be consumed in massive quantities in order to confuse a pothole with major road construction.

So it is not actually a hole in the road filled with pot.

Maybe if you had not spent 4 years resisting you would have actually collected the fed infrastructure funds,to fix the potholes,but now not only do you still have them,you have to pay to fix them out of your pocket 100%.

I guess sense I do not live there,I have to thank you for resisting though and doing your part to keep the national debt lower,so next time you drive over a bone jarring pothole just tell yourself,hey it was worth it ,as you navigate on to the next one.

Now I know,you guys have special 25 mile long potholes and special gas stations that nobody else in the world has and 1 otter that shows up every 100 years.

Its been a very informative week for me.

So what do you guys call that hole in the road,if not a pothole,a road surface vent? It’s supposed to be there by design ?

You live there betcha you cannot even tell me how many potholes have been filled in the city of Detroit in the last 30 days,without searching.

If you cannot what is your excuse,because you do live there.

Go ahead and say it - but Richard I do not live in the city of Detroit so how would I know that information.

My reply would be - Gistok I do not live there either but I know it is a major issue with the residents and by all accounts there are even more of them 6 years later and sense 4 years were wasted on resist but now there have been more funds in the name of COVID recovery dedicated to curing the potholes from COVID you should be able to tell me how many have been fixed in the last 30 days.

I forgot there was a rat out a pothole thread because city and state officials need you to tell them where they are because they do not drive the roads themselves or apparently care enough to find them on their own.

The simplest thing would be to think of them as republican right wing nazi non shot taking potholes and it would justify shutting down the entire state and they would be fixed within 2 days.

[MikeM]

And despite the state slamming the tax credit legislation through in less then a week when they have not been able to fix a pothole in 4 years sorry 6 years,because they also do not think it will happen.

Lol, the bill you linked? The one introduced by a Republican? With no co-sponsors? Back in January before the administration proposed lifting the E15 ban? The one that has been languishing in the agriculture committee ever since?

Like a gas pump is going to know the difference between E10 and E15,my bad I forgot,Detroit has special gas stations that nobody else in the world has,carry on.

Actually, it does. If you'd bother to read instead of typing so much, you would find the tank and pump material requirements, approved makes and models, as well as the requirements for record keeping, labeling, insurance, etc.

And no, Detroit doesn't have special gas stations - no one ever said that. It's the E15 stations that are special. What I did claim, is that Detroit has its own gasoline RVP requirements, as required by its state implementation plan to meet the national air quality standards.

[Richard]

Lol, the bill you linked? The one introduced by a Republican? With no co-sponsors? Back in January before the administration proposed lifting the E15 ban? The one that has been languishing in the agriculture committee ever since?

Actually, it does. If you'd bother to read instead of typing so much, you would find the tank and pump material requirements, approved makes and models, as well as the requirements for record keeping, labeling, insurance, etc.

And no, Detroit doesn't have special gas stations - no one ever said that. It's the E15 stations that are special. What I did claim, is that Detroit has its own gasoline RVP requirements, as required by its state implementation plan to meet the national air quality standards.[/COLOR]

And here you are doubling down on spreading fake and false information.

5 Conclusions
This study found that significant changes to safety testing standards have incorporated fuel blends with more than 10% volume ethanol. This has led to many refueling equipment products compatible with E15. A station owner can compare its equipment records against the compatibility list in the appendices of this report to determine if there is a need to update or upgrade any equipment to sell E15. The majority of tanks are compatible as existing pipe manufacturers have had listing for E100 for many years, UL-listed E25 dispensers and retrofit kits are available, as is hanging hardware [[a combination of E25 and E85 UL-listed equipment). Many manufacturers’ models, as well as other UST equipment including fill equipment, leak detection, overfill prevention, and containment, are compatible with E15.
A literature review was conducted to determine if there were any negative impacts during the multi-year deployment of E10 nationwide. No incidents of E10 causing releases were identified, and no infrastructure industry experts suggested that there were widespread issues with E10.

https://afdc.energy.gov/files/u/publ...astructure.pdf

1. What are the EPA’s equipment requirements for storing and selling E15? Can my existing tanks handle E15?

The EPA requires that equipment storing and dispensing E15 carry either a UL listing or a manufacturer’s warranty. Either one can fulfill the requirement on its own. All steel tanks carry a manufacturer’s warranty and are therefore approved for storing E15. Almost all double-walled fiberglass tanks installed in the past 30 years carry warranties for storing E15, too. And for any retailers still unsure as to whether their equipment is compatible, The Petroleum Equipment Institute has a library of warranty information to help clear up any confusion.
2. What dispensers are approved for selling E15? Do I need special pumps?

In most cases, retailers will not need new pumps to dispense E15. All Wayne dispensers are compatible with ethanol levels up to E15’s. Additionally, all Gilbarco dispensers from 2008 or newer are approved for E15.

Correcting misinformation on compatibility is a critical part of expanding E15’s footprint, and Growth Energy’s Market Development team stands ready to assist interested retailers in navigating this process.

http://ethanolproducer.com/articles/...%20E15’s.

This was your post #33

But you won't because A) most stations don't have the infrastructure to deliver it. Of course you don't know that since you live in Russia and have never visited Detroit, and B) you don't have to stick the E15 pump in your tank.

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You posted a false statement in a pathetic attempt to make me look bad and you are still trying to double down on that.Then threw in the ignorant remark about Russia or never visiting Detroit.

You were not concerned about posting factual information in order to help others,you took a false statement and used it to push a stupid political and personal statement while making yourself look like a fool in the process.

So now all you have to do is provide your information where you derived your statements from that contradicts every other expert in the field including the U.S. governments own study.

Nobody has to check their records for anything,any gas station owner knows full well if their tanks and other equipment has been replaced in the last 30 years,because all of that equipment was certified to surpass E15 over 30 years ago.

There are no gas stations in the city or region of Detroit that mix fuel onsite so they do not have to change any equipment related to that.


I will be waiting for you to provide the information that backs up your claim that E15 stations are special.


Gasoline falls under federal regulations,as far as the deal worked out between the City Of Detroit and the state?

Is your party really going to stand up and say - FU Biden and admit they are implementing something that will actually increase pollution levels?

Then your party has to admit to the entire country that not only have they created policies that are driving everybody into the poorhouse,started WW3,and now want to smog everybody to death with E15 so people can save $1 per fill up ?

You need to spend less time worrying about republicans and more time grabbing on to the rim of the toilet as your party circles down the drain with all of these blatant self destructive measures.

Everybody know he created this mess from day 1 in office when he shut down the production in this country.

Who would have ever thought reduced production,increases prices.

That’s why Shell is reporting record profits,all you guys did was pander to the oil companies while running a fake save the planet narrative,they are being rewarded off of the misery of millions of Americans that are paying the price.

Your own party members that dictate energy policy,own 93 million in fossil fuel stocks,when do you think they make more money,when it sells for $2 per gallon or when it sells for $6 per gallon.

Your own party is bending you over,and double charging you for the petro grease and the best you can come up with is - you have never visited Detroit.

No wonder the socialists wakos have highjacked your party,you make it easy.

You do not recognize the direct correlation between companies showing record profits while the standard of living for all Americans has dropped to 40 year lows in the last 2 years ?

We are going after those evil corporations ,translates into ,we only have a few years in office so we need to pump up those corporations so we can max out our stock value as quick as possible.

The only reason for a corporation to exist is to make money for its shareholders,when your party is invested in fossil fuel as shareholders,do you really think they are going to do anything that reduces the share values?

Sure at about the same time everybody walks up to their employers and tells them they will take a 50% pay cut because they are nice people.