Coronavirus: Threat Beyond Politics [For Political Discussions of CoV]

**Dumpling** · March-12-20, 05:29 PM

Yesterday I received a text message that has two pieces of passed-along medical advice for coronavirus self-care.

"From Taiwan experts: Take a deep breath and hold it for more than ten seconds every morning. If you can complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stuffiness or tightness, etc. it proves there is no fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicating no infection."

"Japanese Doctors: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat is moist; never DRY. Take a few sips of water every 15 mins at least. WHY? Even if the virus gets into your mouth...drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your esophagus into your stomach..."

**jcole** · March-12-20, 05:38 PM

These are hoaxes and have been debunked. Sipping water does nothing but keep you hydrated, which is good, but doesn't kill the virus. I will have to find the article I found and post it here.

Originally Posted by Dumpling

Yesterday I received a text message that has two pieces of passed-along medical advice for coronavirus self-care.

"From Taiwan experts: Take a deep breath and hold it for more than ten seconds every morning. If you can complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stuffiness or tightness, etc. it proves there is no fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicating no infection."

"Japanese Doctors: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat is moist; never DRY. Take a few sips of water every 15 mins at least. WHY? Even if the virus gets into your mouth...drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your esophagus into your stomach..."

**jcole** · March-12-20, 05:39 PM

Here you go: https://www.berationable.com/rationa...rus-protection

Originally Posted by Dumpling

Yesterday I received a text message that has two pieces of passed-along medical advice for coronavirus self-care.

"From Taiwan experts: Take a deep breath and hold it for more than ten seconds every morning. If you can complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stuffiness or tightness, etc. it proves there is no fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicating no infection."

"Japanese Doctors: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat is moist; never DRY. Take a few sips of water every 15 mins at least. WHY? Even if the virus gets into your mouth...drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your esophagus into your stomach..."

**Zacha341** · March-12-20, 06:01 PM

Here's a transcript of POTUS speech last night:

Trump's Oval Office speech on the coronavirus outbreak

**Dumpling** · March-12-20, 06:33 PM

jcole I appreciate the debunking remarks. The debunk is correct. It is not as though if everyone followed the two suggestions we will miraculously not have to hoard or quarantine and the stock market will miraculously bounce back and miraculously all of our politicians will become great again or at least above average.

Not a chance.

Still I liked the two suggestions because they can be done by someone without using any significant amount of money. They do build self awareness. Taking a deep breath and holding it for a short while does calm anxiety a little bit and builds lung capacity a little bit. And if you drink tap water it has a little bit of free chlorine if you are reasonably lucky and that will take out a coronavirus or two if you swish it around your mouth a little and then swallow.
They are suggestions beyond handwashing and wearing a mask which
again are things that won't cause miracles but might help a little bit.

**jcole** · March-12-20, 07:02 PM

They do give you something to do with your time and neither one will hurt you, but it's not helpful if people who don't know better believe these things can keep them healthy so that they think they don't need to be tested or go to a doctor. Part of the origin of this disease, SARS and MERS is from ignorance and a belief that eating certain wild animals can cure people of some disease or infirmity. From reading I've done, belief that the Pangolin can cure skin problems, menstrual cramps and a few other infirmities is what leads people to risk arrest, fines and imprisonment to procure it to treat this stuff. Wish SARS it was Civet Cat. Both got the virus from bats, which the Chinese also eat. So ignorance and being under-informed is very dangerous.

Originally Posted by Dumpling

jcole I appreciate the debunking remarks. The debunk is correct. It is not as though if everyone followed the two suggestions we will miraculously not have to hoard or quarantine and the stock market will miraculously bounce back and miraculously all of our politicians will become great again or at least above average.

Not a chance.

Still I liked the two suggestions because they can be done by someone without using any significant amount of money. They do build self awareness. Taking a deep breath and holding it for a short while does calm anxiety a little bit and builds lung capacity a little bit. And if you drink tap water it has a little bit of free chlorine if you are reasonably lucky and that will take out a coronavirus or two if you swish it around your mouth a little and then swallow.
They are suggestions beyond handwashing and wearing a mask which
again are things that won't cause miracles but might help a little bit.

**Richard** · March-12-20, 08:15 PM

Planet of the apes! Hundreds of hungry monkeys swarm across Thai street as 'rival gangs' fight over food after tourists who normally feed them stay away because of coronavirus

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ter_mailonline

And you guys laughed at me when I said to stock up on ammo,what about the pigeons and sea gulls in this country when they start getting hungry,chipmunks,squirrels and even in Florida when the tourists slack off on walking little dogs by the water and the alligators get hungry?

Ever see the movie The Birds?

**Zacha341** · March-12-20, 09:31 PM

U of M, WSU, MSU etc. switching to on-line. Primary K12 schools are closing as well now - left and right, picking up speed re. closure. If one school closes then the other districts must follow or look liable.

So we get the domino effect. This is going to be interesting!

**Zacha341** · March-12-20, 10:34 PM

It's official: ALL Michigan K12 Schools closed thru April 6th as announced by governor Whitmer:

https://twitter.com/GovWhitmer?ref_s...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Tonight, I [Gov. Whitmer] announced that in order to slow the spread of COVID-19 in Michigan, I am ordering the closure of all K-12 school buildings to students starting Monday, March 16 until Sunday, April 5. School buildings are scheduled to reopen on Monday, April 6.

https://www.wxyz.com/national/corona...virus-concerns

**Canadian Visitor** · March-12-20, 11:47 PM

A modest bit of progress by researchers here:

https://sunnybrook.ca/research/media...-isolated-2020

**Zacha341** · March-13-20, 08:27 AM

Hong Kong docs say damage to lungs permanent:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/people-fu...103917303.html

**Johnnny5** · March-13-20, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

Hong Kong docs say damage to lungs permanent:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/people-fu...103917303.html

Scary, but to be fair it doesn't say that the damage is permanent. Just that it's present and the longer term implications aren't yet clear.

**jcole** · March-13-20, 01:23 PM

Exactly, because there ISN'T any "long term" yet to study.

Originally Posted by Johnnny5

Scary, but to be fair it doesn't say that the damage is permanent. Just that it's present and the longer term implications aren't yet clear.

**Bong-Man** · March-13-20, 02:15 PM

Trump is delaying his 3pm press conference to wait for the market to close. Wouldn't want to associate his comments with another market fall.

**Richard** · March-13-20, 03:47 PM

^ It does not matter the markets are being driven globally,it just proves his point on how it is a mistake for us to depend on being a global market.

The EUs bank rate is - 02 % Anybody jumping to move their 401k to those rates?

Until certainties come back into play nobody can effect the markets,let alone the US president,unless you are a day trader it is just paper right now and people should be in for the long haul anyways,once certainty kicks in it will all shoot back up like a rocket in a day.

Your Governor was going to sell some bonds in order to raise the revenue for fixing the roads,do not see that happening anytime soon unless she sticks some really high interest rates on there hint hint,I would be happy with 18%.

Apple is reopening its production plants back up in China and that is what it is going to take on a larger scale.

A couple more months from now,the ones that spent the time chastising what is happening instead of investing,are going to wish they put their energy into a more productive manner.

**Johnnny5** · March-13-20, 04:38 PM

Due to Coronavirus the Mackinaw Bridge Authority has suspended their service that would drive your car across the bridge for you. Honestly, I had to double check on this just to make sure it wasn't some kind of joke. I never knew this service existed, or that there are that many drivers that frightened about driving over a bridge.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...us/5045116002/

https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rap...ver_the_m.html

**aj3647** · March-13-20, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Zacha341

Here's a transcript of POTUS speech last night:

Trump's Oval Office speech on the coronavirus outbreak

In case people were wondering why his speech that night was so full of false information, even though it was written for him and he read it off of a teleprompter, there's an answer for that.
Jared Kushner and Stephen Miller made last-minute changes to Trump's error-riddled coronavirus speech before he delivered it

https://www.businessinsider.com/kush...-speech-2020-3

Why these two, NEITHER one of which has any experience or education related to infectious disease epidemiology or emergency management, are in any way involved with the coronavirus response is beyond me.

Would anyone here like to take up the mantle of coming up with a defense for this?

Oh and it gets so so so much better. Josh Kushner's [[Jared's brother) father-in-law posted on a Facebook group asking for Coronavirus response tips

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...acebook-127941

“I have direct channel to person now in charge at White House,” Kurt Kloss wrote in his post.

The next morning, after hundreds of doctors responded, Kloss explained why he sought the suggestions: Jared Kushner, President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, had asked him for recommendations.

Kloss, whose daughter is married to Kushner’s brother, sent Kushner 12 recommendations Thursday morning.

That's right, this Administration's Coronavirus response is being crowdsourced on FACEBOOK.

**Richard** · March-13-20, 08:37 PM

^ well you blew it now,all you had to do was log on to Facebook and give them your expertise on how this all should be handled.

If we can find an expert in you with Dyyes who knows what we can achieve connecting 1.8 billion across the world.

Take 1000 different people and what is happening now effects every single one of them different.I do not see any issues in reaching out for ideas.

Instead of being a drama queen what is your expert solution concerning the 60,000 homeless in San Francisco and how would you organize that?

**oladub** · March-14-20, 08:03 AM

Some European leaders expressed outrage that Trump limited Europeans from flying to the U.S.. “The European Union disapproves of the fact that the U.S. decision to impose a travel ban was taken unilaterally and without consultation,” European Council President Charles Michel and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said in a joint statement."

"Unilaterally"? Even the Czech Republic has a travel ban on some other more infected E.U. countries. I know someone who just called off a trip to Argentina because Argentina has imposed a 14 day quarantine on Americans because the U.S. has a higher cv incidence than Argentina. Good for Argentina. Argentina is looking out for its own people.

Trump restricted Chinese from coming to the U.S. with a travel ban at a time when the WHO was encouraging nations not to limit travel. Unlike Trump, the E.U. did not issue a travel ban on China and was consequently seeded with coronavirus cases. That put the E.U. ahead of us in coronavirus cases. Thank you Trump. Then when European contagion rates greatly exceeded our own, Trump extended the same policy to the E.U as he had to China. The E.U. never consulted the U.S. about its own travel and immigration restrictions, or lack thereof, but now its leading bureaucrats squawk about what the U.S. did to protect its own.

Trump's later responded by noting that when the E.U. increased taxes on U.S. companies, the E.U. didn't consult with us either. Sometimes, for all his faults, its nice to have a President who sides with Americans instead of instinctively going along with the globalist herd.

edited to add but not related- Pelosi has relented and agreed to a deal with the Trump administration to pass a clean version of the coronavirus stimulus bill that does not include $1B for abortion funding.

**Jimaz** · March-14-20, 08:45 AM

Coronavirus Is the Perfect Disaster for ‘Disaster Capitalism’

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These are the perfect conditions for governments and the global elite to implement political agendas that would otherwise be met with great opposition if we weren’t all so disoriented. This chain of events isn’t unique to the crisis sparked by the coronavirus; it’s the blueprint politicians and governments have been following for decades known as the “shock doctrine,” a term coined by activist and author Naomi Klein in a 2007 book of the same name....

History is a chronicle of “shocks”—the shocks of wars, natural disasters, and economic crises—and their aftermath. This aftermath is characterized by “disaster capitalism,” calculated, free-market “solutions” to crises that exploit and exacerbate existing inequalities.

Klein says we’re already seeing disaster capitalism play out on the national stage: In response to the coronavirus, Trump has proposed a $700 billion stimulus package that would include cuts to payroll taxes [[which would devastate Social Security) and provide assistance to industries that will lose business as a result of the pandemic.

“They’re not doing this because they think it’s the most effective way to alleviate suffering during a pandemic—they have these ideas lying around that they now see an opportunity to implement,” Klein said....

Emphasis mine. These are the parasitic saboteurs in power.

**Zacha341** · March-14-20, 09:26 AM

^^^ Here's wishing this emergency WOULD/ WILL only be leveraged by the Trump cache. History indeed 'chronicles' the installation and precedence of constraining policies and rules [[remaining long after the emergency) and assumption[[s) of power; from the socialist side of the aisle as well.

Re. the promised 700 B. This has to be rhetoric? Or for sure future programs such as social security are in trouble. Indeed this virus and some of the responses to deal with it are troubling.

You've got hysteria on one side and non-chalance on the other.

With poli-tricks pulling up the rear.

**Richard** · March-14-20, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Jimaz

Coronavirus Is the Perfect Disaster for ‘Disaster Capitalism’Emphasis mine. These are the parasitic saboteurs in power.

Your post reads Trump said $700 billion in tax cuts etc.

Klein says we’re already seeing disaster capitalism play out on the national stage: In response to the coronavirus, Trump has proposed a $700 billion stimulus package that would include cuts to payroll taxes [[which would devastate Social Security) and provide assistance to industries that will lose business as a result of the pandemic.

I was unable to find a link anywhere that confirms that.

I did find this

The proposal provides a total of $8.3 billion to combat the coronavirus outbreak. That is much more than President Donald Trump’s administration originally proposed.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/hous...ding-plan.html

The administration had requested 2.6 billion but the house and senate upped it,most likely throwing in some pet funding projects in mix.

Otherwise it just kinda seems like things are being reported and shared that may not be correct just to add to the hype and agendas,added bonus if the fake devastation of Social Security is slipped in there for added effect.

I did find this

Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., and Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn., filed legislation last week that would require all employers to provide workers with 14 days of paid sick leave during any public health emergency, including the current coronavirus threat. The bill also would allow workers to accrue seven days of paid sick leave for other health matters.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ds/5000616002/

Which kinda wipes out small mom n pop businesses who would be experiencing a major loss in revenues while having to cover payroll with no production.

**Zacha341** · March-14-20, 10:14 AM

^^^ I cut and pasted the entire sentence into google and bing:

Klein says we’re already seeing disaster capitalism play out on the national stage: In response to the coronavirus, Trump has proposed a $700 billion stimulus package that would include cuts to payroll taxes

And got back two link hits:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/5...shock-doctrine

https://pythagotrong.com/coronavirus...ubp-45153.html

**Richard** · March-14-20, 10:34 AM

^ yea they are just repeating each other with no direct source links.

You can bet if the president floated a $700 billion proposal it would be all over the news and the markets would be reacting.

Like they did when Germany announced the $50 billion economic stimulus package.

How come Klein does not mention Halliburton when he throws the Katrina aspect in,they are the direct contractors under FEMA,he must be scared.

The whole point of disaster capitalism is to immediately put cash and resources directly in the hands of those effected.

That is why states declared a national emergency,it frees up federal resources to the states.

Who are you going to rely on for instant assistance ,the federal government or the capitalist.

The capitalists already have the infrastructure in place and know how to directly place goods and services in the hands of those effected.

Federal government is a reactionary force not the first line of defense.