Corona Virus Crisis Discussion Thread

[MikeM]

I don't understand why they don't just shut everything down immediately.

Who is "they"?

[401don]

Who is "they"?

"They" would be the Federal Gov't. While legally I'm not certain they can enforce it, they can certainly make a directive to all states. I was just watching a National Emergency Preparedness Director [[not sure if the title is exact) on CNN. He stated it's ridiculous that the Fed. Gov't is telling all these local gov'ts and individual citizens to make their own best decisions. He stated there should be no gatherings of greater than 10-15 people until we have a handle on it. Instead you have some states saying 250 people, other 1,000 people. Meanwhile the NBA & NHL carry on? You could either request complete self-quarantine or tell people only to go out for shopping for groceries, pharmaceuticals, etc. as absolutely necessary. Nobody said this would be easy. Obviously I'm no expert but it seems apparent they need to step it up a notch or this is going to get a lot worse, meaning kill thousands more than necessary, and drag on a lot longer.

[Oddz313]

China has reported 80k cases lets say they lied to a tune of million cases that is about .0002 of their population

[401don]

China has reported 80k cases lets say they lied to a tune of million cases that is about .0002 of their population

Exactly. Because China has a centralized gov't with the power to do what is necessary in this type of event. My friend was in Shanghai a month ago and they were taking the temperature of everyone as they crossed the street and got on public transit and Shanghai is nowhere near Wuhan. Meanwhile even China admitted their hospitals were overwelmed and they built temporary ones in 2 weeks.

[Zacha341]

I hate to 'assume' but I am thinking their numbers are under-reported.

Historically, that would be per their default pose, to always put forth a 'good face' on a situation.

Thousands could be 'gone' per the virus there without accounting.

China has reported 80k cases lets say they lied to a tune of million cases that is about .0002 of their population

[Danny]

With over 7.9 billion people on Earth. Most nations are not ready to handle this kind of pandemic. This is what the world nations do to handle a pandemic of the keeps on infecting up to million people or more:

1. Each nation is to advise an their own nationwide quarantine procedures. Lock the whole nation up. No one should leave in or out of the area. Install military based curfews. Only open food and supply stores. Make sure that each person gets only 5 to 10 goods to last about 4 weeks at a time. All public events are closed!!!

2. Close all travel, public transportation, even international travel. Car travel will be limited as gas stations are closed for one week at a time.

3. Keep updates for news and information. If the electricity is shut off, make due whatever you can to obtain information from the outside world until power is restored.

4. If you're sick or have any health problems, go out of the alert any military personal about your sicknesses and remain in that area until medic teams arrive.


It sounds like a difficult plan but the Chinese and the Italians are doing these procedures right now.

[Canadian Visitor]

With over 7.9 billion people on Earth. Most nations are not ready to handle this kind of pandemic. This is what the world nations do to handle a pandemic of the keeps on infecting up to million people or more:

1. Each nation is to advise an their own nationwide quarantine procedures. Lock the whole nation up. No one should leave in or out of the area. Install military based curfews. Only open food and supply stores. Make sure that each person gets only 5 to 10 goods to last about 4 weeks at a time. All public events are closed!!!

2. Close all travel, public transportation, even international travel. Car travel will be limited as gas stations are closed for one week at a time.

3. Keep updates for news and information. If the electricity is shut off, make due whatever you can to obtain information from the outside world until power is restored.

4. If you're sick or have any health problems, go out of the alert any military personal about your sicknesses and remain in that area until medic teams arrive.


It sounds like a difficult plan but the Chinese and the Italians are doing these procedures right now.

There are some problems with this. Restricting casual, non-essential travel makes all kinds of sense.

But blanket bans do not.

For instance, the Canadian and U.S. beef industries are seemless integrated with cows and slaughtered meat shipped in vast quantities between our 2 nations.

Energy exports from Canada help keep the lights on in the U.S. north-east and in Washington in particular.

While Canada gets much of its seasonal produce at this time of year from the U.S. south and California, just like Michigan.

Likewise, many manufactures, including those who make medicine and medical equipment have cross-border supply chains.

Yes, travel should be restricted, but blanket bans aren't merely unworkable, they'd be hugely dangerous.

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The E-U, among other places globally, has similar economic integration and food supply integration that cannot be un-done on a whim.