On the “Detroit is larger than Toronto when it ran its first trains” could be used in an Atlanta or Washington context as well. Both cities built their metros when they were smaller than detroit in the 1970s. And we all know the DC suburbs and pretty much all of Atlanta have similar densities to Detroit.
Also- no streetcars more than ~5 miles from Downtown, and no rapid transit for long distances in under 5-7k density per mile areas.
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