Quote Originally Posted by Bham1982 View Post
The Greyhound terminal is much busier and more important to Detroit than the People Mover or the Woodward Trolley, yet the same people who think the trolley is the Second Coming would have no problem relocating the bus terminal for an empty lawn to play a few soccer matches.

Of course there are many differing opinions, but, speaking very broadly, DYes commentators are hopelessly fixated on sports venues as urban revitalization tools [[despite every economist on earth disagreeing) and are absolutely clueless when it comes to transit and mobility

On the one hand would give their first-born to see the Quicken trolley completed, on the other hand dismissing existing transit, probably because it mostly serves poor black people aka people who actually need transit, rather than 20-something pseudo-hipsters from Novi who want to ride a train to the bars.

There is no MLS team coming to Detroit anytime soon, MLS doesn't play many matches, doesn't generate big crowds, tends to play in suburban venues, and sports venues don't do squat in terms of economic growth or urban revitalization.

If your downtown is so worthless that you would replace existing urbanity with a grass field unused 300+ days a year, then your downtown planning is an abject failure. MLS teams play 17 home games a year.
Considering the streetcar isn't even operational yet [[though we know for a fact many developments have come because transit is improving) you really can't say the Greyhound Station has been more important to the city that moving it to another location [[perhaps one in downtown?) would prove detrimental to anyone or anything.

I don't dismiss any transit. Everything has their use and function and buses, trams, light rail, metros, paratransit, cars, and bikes all have their need and place in an urban environment. You say many of us don't have a clue about urban issues and transit and then you either never come up or you do what you did above and say the "trolley" is going to be some hipster choo-choo which doesn't advance anything in a discussion. The M-1 Rail is the building block back to an urbanity that creates density, walkability, and cohesiveness. You just keep saying our ideas are "awful". They're just ideas, dude. You want to express some of your own, go ahead. We would love to hear them but for the most part they're just tired negative comments.

I'd rather want a stadium that supports a major league team, hosts other soccer events, and private parties or weddings like many do than an abandoned skyscraper that has no function because it's cut off from the rest of downtown.