What if a proposal to downsize Detroit happens?

[Danny]

If Detroit goes through bankruptcy and the Emergency Financial Manager takes absolute power in Detroit businesses and politics. One of its proposals on its budget to downsize and close certian Detroit neighborhoods that are now brownfields [[ urban praries):
In Detroit's East side:

1. Manistique St. from E. Jefferson Ave. to Scripps St.

2. Phillip St. from E. Jefferson Ave. to Korte St.

THE AREAS FROM CONNER ST. TO ALTER RD FROM E. JEFFERSON AVE TO E. WARREN AVE:

1. Gray

2. Lenox

3. Drexel to E. Canfield St.

4. Coplin to E. Canfield St.

5 Lakeview to E. Canfield St.

6.Eastlawn to E. Canfield St.

7. Newport to E. Canfield St.

8.Marlborough St. North of E. Mack St. to E. Forest St.

9.The areas from Phillp St to Ashland St North of E. Jefferson Ave. to E. Forest St.

10. Dickerson, Chalmers and Alter Rd. will remain open.

11.The areas from Malcolm to Barrett St. from Olga to Edsel Ford FWY.

12. The areas of Phillip and Marlborough Streets to Linville Rd.

THE AREAS EAST OF GRATIOT AVE FROM E.7 MILE RD TO HOUSTON WHITTIER STREETS.

Those streets will remain open for future housing development. Thoses that are foreclosed will not be re-sold, but either torn down to fixed up by housing voluteer groups to those who had execellent credit score, decent job and income. Those with lottery winnings are eligble. Those new homes with mixed in with existing homes will not be for Section 8. ADC cash assistance. Home-owners must not have a history of credit defaults or accidental or on purpose house fires no criminal record or on the child sex-offender list. Landlords who brought homes in those areas can only be rented to those with excellent income and credit score. Homes in those areas will be sold at co-option to buy basis as long as the home owner has a decent job and individual supplemental income and credit score.

THE AREAS WEST OF GRATIOT AVE TO MCNICHOLS TO DRESDEN ST WILL BE CLOSED FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT:

1. Joann St.

2. Gitre St.

3. Racine St. from McNichols to Nashville St.

4. Strasburg St.

The areas East of Gratiot Ave, From Flanders St to Houston/Whittier streets will remain open for future housing development. Thoses that are foreclosed will not be re-sold, but either torn down to fixed up by housing voluteer groups to those who had execellent credit score, decent job and income. Those with lottery winnings are eligble. Those new homes with mixed in with existing homes will not be for Section 8. ADC cash assistance. Landlords who brought homes in those areas can only be rented to those with excellent income and credit score.Home-owners must not have a history of credit defaults or accidental or on purpose house fires no criminal record or on the child sex-offender list. Homes in those areas will be sold at co-option to buy basis as long as the home owner has a decent job and individual supplemental income and credit score.

THE AREAS EAST OF GRATIOT AVE FROM EDSEL FORD FWY TO HARPER STREETS FROM ST AUBIN to E. JEFFERSON Streets: Those streets will remian open for future development for low-income and section 8 housing. Home-owners must not have a history of credit defaults or accidental or on purpose house fires no criminal record or on the child sex-offender list, obtain a decent job and supplemental income even with ADC and SSI, SSDI cash assistances. Landlords who support section housing will get a random inspection from EFM's workers. Any such violations will result of numerous fines, 90 day evictions for tenents or possible 2 to 5 year imprisonment from criminal acts.

THE AREAS FROM NORTH OF GRATIOT AVE. TO EDSEL FORD FWY. WILL BE CLOSED! [[ Detroit's Lowe East Side)

1. Medbury

2. Hendrie

3. E. Palmer

4. E. Kirby

5. Fredrick

6. Fransworth

7. Theodore

8. E. Hancock

9. Garfield

10. E. Canfield

11. E. Willis

12. Superior

13. E Alexandrine

14. Leland

15. Illinois St.

16. St Joseph

17. Hale

18. Scott

19. Pierce

20. Erskine

21. Watson

22. Wilkins

23. Alfred

24. DuBois

25. Grandy

26. Joseph Compau

27. Michell

28. Elmwood

29. Moran

30. Ellery

31. Weitzel

32. Thompson Ct.

34. Platt Ct.

35. E. Kirby, Farnsworth and Fredrick Streets from Moran St to Mt. Elliott St. will remain open and will be added in with low-income/ Section 8 housing.

THE AREAS SOUTH OF GRATIOT AVE TO MT ELLIOT ST TO E VERNER HWY.

Those streets will remian open for future development for low-income and section 8 housing. Home-owners must not have a history of credit defaults or accidental or on purpose house fires no criminal record or on the child sex-offender list, obtain a decent job and supplemental income even with ADC and SSI, SSDI cash assistances. Landlords who support section housing will get a random inspection from EFM's workers. Any such violations will result of numerous fines, 90 day evictions for tenents or possible 2 to 5 year imprisonment from criminal acts.

THE AREAS NORTH OF E, JEFFERSON AVE TO EAST VILLAGE:

Those streets will remain open for future housing development. Thoses that are foreclosed will not be re-sold, but either torn down to fixed up by housing voluteer groups to those who had execellent credit score, decent job and income. Those with lottery winnings are eligble. Those new homes with mixed in with existing homes will not be for Section 8. ADC cash assistance. Home-owners must not have a history of credit defaults or accidental or on purpose house fires no criminal record or on the child sex-offender list. Landlords who brought homes in those areas can only be rented to those with excellent income and credit score. Homes in those areas will be sold at co-option to buy basis as long as the home owner has a decent job and individual supplemental income and credit score.



THE AREAS NORTH OF HARPER ST TO HUBER ST. AND FROM MT ELLOITT ST TO VAN DYKE AVE :

1. Domine to Edwin St will be open for low-income and section 8 development.

2. Foster to St Cyril St north of Miller St. will remain closed until future developement.

3. Maywood to Georgia St will remain open for low-income and section 8 development.

4. Badger to Grinnell Streets will remain open for low-income and section 8 development.

5.Guthrie to Grinnell St west of Van Dyke St. will be closed until future developement.

6.

THE AREAS FROM DEQUINDRE ST TO DAVISON FWY TO RD. LAWLEY AND GALLAGHER STREETS:

Those streets will remain open for future housing development. Thoses that are foreclosed will not be re-sold, but either torn down to fixed up by housing voluteer groups to those who had execellent credit score, decent job and income. Those with lottery winnings are eligble. Those new homes with mixed in with existing homes will not be for Section 8. ADC cash assistance. Home-owners must not have a history of credit defaults or accidental or on purpose house fires no criminal record or on the child sex-offender list. Landlords who brought homes in those areas can only be rented to those with excellent income and credit score. Homes in those areas will be sold at co-option to buy basis as long as the home owner has a decent job and individual supplemental income and credit score.

THE AREAS NORTH OF E. DAVISION FWY AND RD TO MCNICHOLS:

Those streets will remain open for future housing development. Thoses that are foreclosed will not be re-sold, but either torn down to fixed up by housing voluteer groups to those who had execellent credit score, decent job and income. Those with lottery winnings are eligble. Those new homes with mixed in with existing homes will not be for Section 8. ADC cash assistance. Home-owners must not have a history of credit defaults or accidental or on purpose house fires no criminal record or on the child sex-offender list. Landlords who brought homes in those areas can only be rented to those with excellent income and credit score. Homes in those areas will be sold at co-option to buy basis as long as the home owner has a decent job and individual supplemental income and credit score.

THE AREAS EAST OF CHRSYLER FWY FROM NEVADA TO DEQUINDRE!

Those streets will remain open for future housing development. Thoses that are foreclosed will not be re-sold, but either torn down to fixed up by housing voluteer groups to those who had execellent credit score, decent job and income. Those with lottery winnings are eligble. Those new homes with mixed in with existing homes will not be for Section 8. ADC cash assistance. Home-owners must not have a history of credit defaults or accidental or on purpose house fires no criminal record or on the child sex-offender list. Landlords who brought homes in those areas can only be rented to those with excellent income and credit score. Homes in those areas will be sold at co-option to buy basis as long as the home owner has a decent job and individual supplemental income and credit score.

THE AREAS SOUTH OF E. MCNICHOLS AND EAST OF VAN DYKE RD. TO FRENCH RD NORTH OF LYNCH ST. [[ near the Detroit City Airport) These streets will be closed:

1. Tumey

2. Nuremburg

3. Doyle

4. Dobel

5. Darwin

6. Mt Olivet

7. Forestlawn

8. Almont

9. dubay

10. Wisner.

11. Elgin

12. Montlieu

13. Kenney

14. Leander

15. Lyford.

Molena St will remain open.


THE AREAS ALONG E 7 MILE RD AND VAN DYKE RD will remain open for low-income and Section 8 housing development.

THE AREAS NORTH OF ALONG E. 7 MILE RD. FROM JOHN RD TO E. 8 MILE RD. will remain open for future development.

THE AREAS NORTH OF MCNICHOLS TO STATE FAIR RD. EAST OF JOHN R TO CHRYSLER FWY:

1. Robinwood St from Woodward St. to John R Rd. will be closed until future developement.

2. Edgevale St.

3. Arizona St.

4. Dakota

5.E. Parkhurst

6. E. Longwood

7. Louisiana St.

8. Minnesota St.

9. Brush St.

10. Cameron

11. Hawthorne

12. Cardoni

E. Montana, E. Nevada and E. Savannah Streets will remain open.

MORE TO COME.

[Mr. Houdini]

Sounds like a good plan. Downsize Detroit.

[Vic01]

Regardless of which "plan" or "who" is behind it... It's already happening. You can figure out how to make it work... or keep on paying the "price" for not getting on board. Do it now, or someone will pick up the pieces 10 yrs from now and it'll happen anyway...

[Pontiac6000]

Sell Hamtramck everything north of Mt. Elliott and Conant, west on Charles to Conant, then north to the Davison, and back south along I-75. If it could be done skirting around the Nortown neighborhood group in that area, it would generate the city dollars and pass the buck of demo and refab to them or the state. They would have room to grow and the city [[the D) could then work on N of Harper from Mt Elliott to French Rd, create a greenbelt? to Conner and make the Conner Creek greenway a larger entity linking Jayne Playfield to Outer Drive between the [[former) Industrial area, the closed 6 Mile, and ?fenceless Outer Drive or Conner [[bike trail?) , [[created streams or lakes?) between or around the cemeteries.

[JTistle1]

Sell Hamtramck everything north of Mt. Elliott and Conant, west on Charles to Conant, then north to the Davison, and back south along I-75. .

Why would Hamtramck buy that area?

[Pontiac6000]

Expansion for their population, industrial base, parkland [[the old buffalo projects) and easier link to mound rd and north to warren [[MI)

[JTistle1]

Expansion for their population, industrial base, parkland [[the old buffalo projects) and easier link to mound rd and north to warren [[MI)

Perhaps I am naive, but if it's not viable for one city, what makes it anymore viable for another that also has it's own financial struggles?

[Detroitnerd]

We should instead gradually start opening up parts of the counties and repopulating the city.

[Vox]

We should instead gradually start opening up parts of the counties and repopulating the city.

This makes no sense at all. Elaborate.

[Detroitnerd]

This makes no sense at all. Elaborate.

The future for the exurbs is grim. Given rising fuel costs and heating costs, as well as changing tastes among the young, these areas simply will not be able to sustain themselves. Whereas cities are very durable. Detroit may look like hell now, but let's not forget that the population of Rome went from 1.5 million to about 15,000. But look at Rome today. It survives today. But suburbanization has been a 100-year experiment at a time of cheap fuel and roads. We should be intelligently retrenching and rebuilding the city, not making last-ditch efforts to preserve exurban communities.

But don't take my word for it. There are plenty of people on the forum putting forth that argument.

[Danny]

In Detroit's West side:

THE AREAS FROM MICHIGAN AVE TO W. GRAND BOULEVARD FROM THE JEFFERIES FWY TO LODGE FWY:

1. Lawton

2. Humbouldt

3. 18th

4.17th

5.16th

7.15th

8. Walbash

9. Vermont St.

Those streets will remian open for future development for low-income and section 8 housing. Home-owners must not have a history of credit defaults or accidental or on purpose house fires no criminal record or on the child sex-offender list, obtain a decent job and supplemental income even with ADC and SSI, SSDI cash assistances. Landlords who support section housing will get a random inspection from EFM's workers. Any such violations will result of numerous fines, 90 day evictions for tenents or possible 2 to 5 year imprisonment from criminal acts.

THE AREAS SOUTH OF EDSEL FORD FWY. TO MAGNOLIA STREETS: ANd=D FROM EAST OF W. GRAND BLVD TO JEFFERIES FWY.

These streets will be closed:

1. Vinewood [[ south of W. Warren Ave.)

2.McKinley

3. 25th

4. 24th

5. 23rd.

6. Tilman

7. W. Kirby

8. Biddle

9. Merrick

10. W. Hancock

11. Lanman

12. Nall

13. Poplar

14. Selden

THE AREAS WEST OF W. GRAND BLVD SOUTH OF EDSEL FORD FWY NORTH OF MICHIGAN AVE:

Those streets will remain open for future housing development. Thoses that are foreclosed will not be re-sold, but either torn down to fixed up by housing voluteer groups to those who had execellent credit score, decent job and income. Those with lottery winnings are eligble. Those new homes with mixed in with existing homes will not be for Section 8. ADC cash assistance. Home-owners must not have a history of credit defaults or accidental or on purpose house fires no criminal record or on the child sex-offender list. Landlords who brought homes in those areas can only be rented to those with excellent income and credit score. Homes in those areas will be sold at co-option to buy basis as long as the home owner has a decent job and individual supplemental income and credit score.

IN SOUTHWEST DETROIT. THE AREAS IN DEL-REY STREETS WILL BE CLOSED! AND BE TURNED IN THE AN INDUSTRIAL PARK:

1. S. Morrell.

2. S. Cambell

3.. S Cavalry

4. S. Millitary

5. S Dragoon

6. S. Crawford

7. S Reid

8. S. Rademacher

9. S. Schroeder

10. S. Post

11. S. Harrington

12. S. Scotten

13. S. Solvay

14. S Crossley

15. cary

16. S Sloan

17. Thaddeus

18. Keller

19. Lyon'

20. Melville

21 Colbalt

22. S Fortune

23. South St.

24. Vanderbilt

25. Dill Pl.

26. Bacon

27.Erie

28. Gould

29. Holly

MORE TO COME...

[313WX]

Danny, could you provide the link to where you found all of your information?

[Vox]

Danny, could you provide the link to where you found all of your information?

You may as well ask the wall that. It's all conjecture, but potentially accurate in some respects.

[BrushStart]

So, what do you exurbers want? You know what us city-dwellers want- to focus energy and resources building up the city center because we think that doing so will stimulate growth and be smart for the future.

Is it your position that we should keep what we have and do nothing in the city center?

Do you think we should not address issues in the city and spend more money building up the exurbs?

Do you think everything is good right now?

I'm just confused...

[Vox]

So, what do you exurbers want? You know what us city-dwellers want- to focus energy and resources building up the city center because we think that doing so will stimulate growth and be smart for the future.

Is it your position that we should keep what we have and do nothing in the city center?

Do you think we should not address issues in the city and spend more money building up the exurbs?

Do you think everything is good right now?

I'm just confused...

Pouring resources and energy into a bottomless pit is fruitless. Until there is a realistic plan to fix the systemic deficiencies in Detroit, and elsewhere in Metro Detroit as well, there will be no possibility of any sort of growth anywhere in the region.

First and foremost, removing resources from exurban areas is never going to happen, so basically that's out as a solution. Their property taxes are paid by them for them, not you.

Secondly, if Detroit really wanted to grow, they will have to get their tax structure in line with reality. City taxes for property, as well as income, are really restricting growth. I suppose that that would call for the City Council and Mayor to use the laws passed by the Legislature, flawed as they are, to amend the expenditures that the city currently is on the hook for.

Third, shrinking the city, though unpopular, will have to happen, and soon.

And fixing the police and fire department as well is a must have. You have to be able to serve residents to have a viable city.

[Danny]

What if the EFM runs Detroit like a iron fist. Here's what he proposing under the Detroit's bankruptcy:

1. Cut up to 10 to 20% of the pay for all city workers. This would save the city over 10 to 20 million dollars a year.

2. Disassemble the city unions, end collective bargaining!

3. Resassemble police, fire and EMS. provide random surprise inspection for their services.

4. Make sure that most neighborhoods are closed for redevelopment, hunt down deliquent Detroit taxpayers and homeowners and give them 90 day notices for eviction.

5. Reassemble high, middle, and low income standards and credit point ratings for future home and businesses owners. Set up areas for Section 8 [[under Detroit Housing Comminsion) The area plans as it follows:

1a. The areas for Section 8 HUD [[ ADC, SSI, SSDI approved homes) will start at lower SW Detroit area near the River Rouge-Ecorse border futher northward behind the Dearborn border to Detroit's West Side east of the abandoned conrail tracks from the borders of Dearborn to further NW to the borders of Highland Park. The area includes Brightmoor Area in Detroit's Northwest Side.

2b. The areas for Section 8 HUD [[ ADC, SSI, SSDI approved homes) will in extended in Detroit parts of Northeast side at the Conant Gardens area south the conrail tracks futher southward [[ just east from Hamtranck Border) to further eastward to Conner Rd then futher southward to the Detroit River.


3b. These Section 8 HUD [[ ADC, SSI, SSDI approved homes) will be ramdomly inspected 4 times a year from the day the renter purchase a Detroit home or apartment. The owner or tenent MUST be present for inspection. If the owner ot tenent is not home without notification, it will be notified by a letter of case action and appointment rescheduling. Any such violations will result of fines or first offense and eviction for 2nd offense. If eviction is issued the tenent or owner has 90 days to vacate the building. Once the building is vacated. It must be ramdomly checked. Silent alarms must be in place in vacant buildings in case of theft. Those who are a sex-offender list will puchase a home or apt 500 yards away from public or private school building.


4c. The homes, businesses and apts at the NW Detroit Ares the border Section 8 HUD [[ ADC, SSI, SSDI approved homes) to the suburban borders will be reseved for middle income families with a starting job and excellent credit rating. The will receive Neighborhood Empowerment Zone's 60% tax deduction for 15 years. The homes will not be rented out to those who had Section 8 HUD [[ ADC, SSI, SSDI approved homes) only to family members or person with a job or good credit rating. Those who had poor credit score, criminal record or on the sex-offender list history of accidental or [[on purpose) house or apt. fire [[more than once) are not eligible to buy or rent a Detroit home. Real Estate agents and landlords who violate these city codes will face heavy fines or 5 to 10 year imprisonment.


WORD FROM THE STREET PROPHET

Now that's a great ideal for bettet Detroit are Neda's sake.

[Detroitnerd]

Yes, we have to shrink the city because ... oh, but wait: We wouldn't have to shrink the city if were competitive enough to grow. So, on the one hand, we must shrink the city because it is a failure, but then if Detroit were competitive, we would want to see it grow. This is a psychotic point of view that makes no sense. Follow the trajectory of how a region swirls down the bowl.

Take regional resources and pour them into building outside the city.

Affluent residents and businesses leave the city, flooding over into the suburbs.

The city increasingly becomes a place with poor people, poor leadership and poor infrastructure.

The suburban areas, not having to pay for social programs, poor people, etc., enjoy a tremendous boon from the way the city is a dumping ground for poor people.

As more and more people of means leave the city, the city gets increasingly bankrupt, dysfunctional and ghettoized.

Well-fed, pink suburbanites now lambaste their traditional city center, heaping more invective and bad PR on it than any out-of-stater.

This worsens the business climate for the whole region, but to people who live in "Commerce" or "Bingham Farms" they feel unaffected.

As cities across the country begin to reinvest in their cities, suburban Detroiters come up with plans to erase the central city, thereby helping the region lose 10 years of prosperity and development.

Finally, after 70 years of heaping angry rhetoric on their central city, suburbanites complain that they're associated with a city that most people view negatively.

After 70 years of poaching residents and businesses from Detroit, profiting while Detroit's tax base erodes and its government gets more corrupt, angry suburbanites say shame on Detroit for its high taxes, corrupt leadership and utter poverty.

After 70 years of hammering their central city, siphoning off its businesses, its people of means, its civic assets -- being passive benificiaries of the city's destruction -- suburbanites finally say that they'll change their mind about Detroit; but it has to "pull itself up by its bootstraps" first, and nobody will help.

Frankly, some of the people on this forum are happy to talk in circles on and on, but they will never admit the truth. They are afraid of minorities. They are afraid of poor people. They regard any effort at regionalism as communism. They just want to live in 1962 forever and ever, and will never acknowledge any of the basic simple facts that keep this region in the shitter. Frankly, for all their complaining about Detroit, they are absolutely satisfied to live next to a place they call a shithole, not to mention some of the choicer words they use when there are no melaninistic folks around ...

There's no changing your minds, for all your attempts at appearing open-minded. What a shame all wisdom must die with you...

[j to the jeremy]

I'll avoid all the off-topic bickering, but Danny, did you just pull all these addresses and HUGE swaths of land out of your ass? Is this just a hypothetical idea of what you think Bing wants to close?

To keep the real purpose of the thread going, here's in interesting graphic from the New York Times which shows the 3000 houses slated for abatement this year are skewed into a few areas

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...IT.html?ref=us

[Vox]

There's no changing your minds, for all your attempts at appearing open-minded. Just fuckin' die already.

Yessir, quite the nice racist rant. How do you explain the mass exodus of the melanistic type people that are leaving the city?

[Novine]

"First and foremost, removing resources from exurban areas is never going to happen, so basically that's out as a solution. Their property taxes are paid by them for them, not you. "

Exurbanites believe this to be true but it's not. Exurban living is subsidized to a degree that few exurbanites will acknowledge. Many who live out there couldn't afford the true cost of their lifestyle if they had to pay the full freight of their choice. But we pretend otherwise and call everyone else a freeloader when the truth isn't so clear-cut. The irony is that you complain about Detroit being a drain on regional growth but exurban growth is equally harmful to the success of the region, maybe more so. Trying to recreate the suburbs further and further away from the city is tremendously wasteful and tremendously expensive.

[Vox]

"First and foremost, removing resources from exurban areas is never going to happen, so basically that's out as a solution. Their property taxes are paid by them for them, not you. "

Exurbanites believe this to be true but it's not. Exurban living is subsidized to a degree that few exurbanites will acknowledge. Many who live out there couldn't afford the true cost of their lifestyle if they had to pay the full freight of their choice. But we pretend otherwise and call everyone else a freeloader when the truth isn't so clear-cut. The irony is that you complain about Detroit being a drain on regional growth but exurban growth is equally harmful to the success of the region, maybe more so. Trying to recreate the suburbs further and further away from the city is tremendously wasteful and tremendously expensive.

Detroit IS a drain on reegional growth in it's current form and function. Other places are needing to subsidize their own inefficiencies, as well. Why should Detroit be any more priveleged than any other place in the state? It's already got casinos, tax structure, and every other little thing tilted in it's favor, and STILL manages to fuck that up.

[lincoln8740]

Frankly, some of the people on this forum are happy to talk in circles on and on, but they will never admit the truth. They are afraid of minorities. They are afraid of poor people. They regard any effort at regionalism as communism. They just want to live in 1962 forever and ever, and will never acknowledge any of the basic simple facts that keep this region in the shitter. Frankly, for all their complaining about Detroit, they are absolutely satisfied to live next to a place they call a shithole, not to mention some of the choicer words they use when there are no melaninistic folks around ....

How dare they want to live in a safe neighborhood with good schools!! Racists!!!

There's no changing your minds, for all your attempts at appearing open-minded. Just fuckin' die already.[/QUOTE]

Nice!!!

[Detroitnerd]

No worries. I know you post here about "good schools" and "property values" and "excellent services." But I know the type. And I know what you guys talk about when it's whites-only, and it sounds like 1943. That's why I'm just going to have to write you off as far as trying to convince you of anything. Why you keep showing up here with your code words and "what, me, racist?" tomfoolery is beyond me. You are completely happy to have whole parts of the region drowning in debt, corruption and poverty, so long as you have yours and you're miles away from the pain. And, of course, as long as you have your generously subsidized Suburbia, while you complain about the "drain" of the city that you ensure day to day will never see a penny of your investment as long as you live.

Must we all collectively wait for you to die before we can build a better region? I'm beginning to think so.

[lincoln8740]

No worries. I know you post here about "good schools" and "property values" and "excellent services.".

Aren't the above three terms a great thing to have associated with the place that you live?

But I know the type. And I know what you guys talk about when it's whites-only, and it sounds like 1943. That's why I'm just going to have to write you off as far as trying to convince you of anything. Why you keep showing up here with your code words and "what, me, racist?" tomfoolery is beyond me.

Do you have to present the " I am a good white liberal" card in every conversation?

.

You are completely happy to have whole parts of the region drowning in debt, corruption and poverty, so long as you have yours and you're miles away from the pain. And, of course, as long as you have your generously subsidized Suburbia, while you complain about the "drain" of the city that you ensure day to day will never see a penny of your investment as long as you live..

Uh dude I own and operate a business in the City so me thinks that I may be paying a little more in tax dollars to City of Detroit then you.

Must we all collectively wait for you to die before we can build a better region? I'm beginning to think so.

Not really, all you have to do is find a steady supply of Hippster Doffus people and whamo! you can all open up independently run stores that charge triple the price!!!

[Detroitnerd]

Aren't the above three terms a great thing to have associated with the place that you live?

Yes, and that is why white racists use those code words instead of saying that there aren't any ni&&ers there. Sounds much more sophisticated.

Do you have to present the " I am a good white liberal" card in every conversation?

To the best of my knowledge, whites only play "race cards" when they point out the white racism they see. In white code-speak, it's called playing the good, white, liberal card. In private, during that smoke break out in the garage, they use the old, 1940s term, ni&&er-lover. I think that's the rough translation, anyway.

Uh dude I own and operate a business in the City so me thinks that I may be paying a little more in tax dollars to City of Detroit then you.

Uh, "dude," I live and work in Detroit, but as a citizen of Detroit, I have just as much democratic say as ... as anybody who lives here. Does that gall you? I kinda hope it does ... "dude."