America's Socialist Programs

[oladub]

Yes, the 29000 + supporters that plopped down their hard earned cash to support a failed ideologue whose sole message is What? We can do it cheaper? We can illegally skirt campaign finance laws to buy a blimp?

I think it would be a better thing if I were to go back in time and send Ayn Rand's girlhood crush over to her house so he could kill her before she could write her tripe. Far more proactive and doable than arguing with someone like you.

Now we have a failing President who is managing to bring the country down lower than Bush. Congratulations on the change. If there was a sole message in the Paul campaign it would be to obey the Constitution. No blimp was purchase and a rented blimp did not break any taboo against free speech. Why mention Ayn Rand when it is far more trendy to mention the Koch brothers as the manifestation of all evil.

Gibran wrote, "you have to ask yourself what programs would these people keep? and how do they address inequalities in health-care, education and wealth? Aynn Rand should be replaced with Rawls... "

The federal government is effectively bankrupt. You have to ask yourself which federal programs should be dropped to afford the remainder of programs and which programs could and should be operated at the state and local level to improve their efficiency. Want some equality in wealth? Then create a shortage of US labor by escaping NAFTA and GATT while imposing some import taxes to lower income taxes. Only when labor is in short supply can it start demanding a larger share of the national economic pie. Begging for scraps from Obama isn't going to cut it.

Maxx, "We all should know how well this worked for education in the past when there was no or very little federal involvement with what states did about education, i.e., segregated schools, poor quality education in many southern states. "

That brought Mississippi education to the top of the heap, right? Lucky for Mississippi, California's blue state policies have driven California public education from near the best in the country to being a contender to challenge Mississippi, with all it's federal help, for the #50 spot.

[Stosh]

Now we have a failing President who is managing to bring the country down lower than Bush. Congratulations on the change. If there was a sole message in the Paul campaign it would be to obey the Constitution. No blimp was purchase and a rented blimp did not break any taboo against free speech. Why mention Ayn Rand when it is far more trendy to mention the Koch brothers as the manifestation of all evil.

The reason he is "failing" is the incessant drumbeat of the idealogues such as yourself that have a vested interest in his failure. I'll bet Ayn has just as much culpability in the retarded politics of the Libertarian and Republican party as Koch does. Which is plenty.

The federal government is effectively bankrupt. You have to ask yourself which federal programs should be dropped to afford the remainder of programs and which programs could and should be operated at the state and local level to improve their efficiency. Want some equality in wealth? Then create a shortage of US labor by escaping NAFTA and GATT while imposing some import taxes to lower income taxes. Only when labor is in short supply can it start demanding a larger share of the national economic pie. Begging for scraps from Obama isn't going to cut it.

He can't pass the needed measures and you know it, due to obstructionism in the House and Senate. Quit playing games and acting stupid, please.

That brought Mississippi education to the top of the heap, right? Lucky for Mississippi, California's blue state policies have driven California public education from near the best in the country to being a contender to challenge Mississippi, with all it's federal help, for the #50 spot.

You can't fix stupid, as some have said.

[ghettopalmetto]

That brought Mississippi education to the top of the heap, right? Lucky for Mississippi, California's blue state policies have driven California public education from near the best in the country to being a contender to challenge Mississippi, with all it's federal help, for the #50 spot.

So how do you account for Connecticut perennially having the best educaton system in the nation? Must be the low taxes, eh?

[oladub]

So how do you account for Connecticut perennially having the best educaton system in the nation? Must be the low taxes, eh?

Connecticut and California both have high taxes as is their right under the 10th Amendment. Maybe Connecticut has better educational results because 83% of Connecticut families earn more than the national average income. Still, California has higher average income and taxes than most red states but almost all red states eclipse California's educational outcomes despite having lower taxes.

[mjs]

I agree with Oladub on all he is saying. Most of the stuff on the first list shouldn't be eliminated altogether, but they should be moved to the states to satisfy the Tenth Amendment. Better efficiency and less buying of lawmakers. Sure, some of it like bank welfare can be eliminated altogether. The real question of the list is what are you willing to pay more in taxes to keep. We're spending more than we make. At some point, we need to either spend less or make more and the longer we try to ignore the question, the more it harms us and the harder it is to fix.

It makes me shake my head to see how the Dems are handling this whole mess. What moron came up with the finger pointing cry-baby "they ran the bus into the ditch" bit? Put Carville back in charge you idiots. Put your egos in check and make broad use of Bill Clinton's silver tongue.

Message Dems should be selling to hold their base and pick-up independants including tea-partiers is one of fiscal responsibility with humility and blunt honesty: We all got caught up in the irrational exuberance, but unlike republicans who got the seats in this game of musical chairs, dems are willing to help those that got hurt the most by our joint mistakes. We're keeping the programs Americans need to get through hard times such as this and we're willing to raise taxes to do it. We won't be raising taxes until the economy is in its inevitable recovery, but we must act to ensure the programs America needs today will be there tomorrow by doing the responsible action of funding them fully.

Take on tax and spend as a badge of honor and say it sure beats the conservative's cut and spend model.

[ghettopalmetto]

Connecticut and California both have high taxes as is their right under the 10th Amendment. Maybe Connecticut has better educational results because 83% of Connecticut families earn more than the national average income. Still, California has higher average income and taxes than most red states but almost all red states eclipse California's educational outcomes despite having lower taxes.

You've never lived in the South, have you?

[oladub]

You've never lived in the South, have you?

Is someone forcing you ro live in the South? I realize that some people have family and other obligations but to the extent that people can move ftom states that don't work to states that work and businesses refuse to move to backward places [[executives wives' willingness to relocate often makes it impossisble to move businesses to some places). However, those who move open up jobs for those left behind by creating more of a demand for their labor. Also, local and state leaders need only look around to see what works in other places if they too want to profit. Move to NW North Dakota, if your are able, if South Carolina isn't working out. The work ethic and opportunities there, I hear, is tonic.

maxx writes

"..."Three-hundred thousand illegal immigrant children in public schools, and they keep coming. The cost: $1.5 billion a year," the announcer says..."
So what's Detroit's excuse?"

I had left illegal hiring and immigration out of my answer to prevent the thread from going off track. It is part of California's price for having sanctuary cities and otherwise subsidizing illegal aliens. It is how Californians have chosen to manage their resources with predictable results. Private employers, on the other hand, profit from this system. Why would they care about how school resources have to be used as long as the system profits them?

Detroit's excuse? Too long of a topic on a Detroit board but international trade policies, fatherless families, crime, and union overreach given international trade policies are pretty good reasons.