University Club next to fall?

[ndavies]

Yeah, I'll just bust out my checkbook. Oh, wait, I'm not NDavies, apparently.
The point is, in a city with no shortage of vacant land, or even crappy rundown/burned out buildings along Jefferson, why would you not raze THAT or build THERE. It's like me having 80 spoons and 2 forks and deciding to throw away one of my forks and buy another spoon.

It's his perogative as to what he wastes his money on. That's all part of what makes this country great. Anyone with a little bit of cash can role the dice and see what comes up.

[Detroitnerd]

It's his perogative as to what he wastes his money on. That's all part of what makes this country great. Anyone with a little bit of cash can role the dice and see what comes up.

The more cash, the more dice you get to roll. It's only fair.

[ndavies]

The more cash, the more dice you get to roll. It's only fair.

That's the way the rules of America are written.

What have you done to increase your worth to get the extra rolls? How much risk have you assumed? Or do you just march to work every day happy with the slave wages you're paid to be a safe employee?

No external force is going to save you. [[unless you're an insurance company, car company or a bank.) You have to pull up your socks and take some risks. Sitting on the sidelines bitching about other peoples decisions is not going to change anything. It's just going to leave you in the same powerless position you're currently in.

[Detroitej72]

He says in the article he has no idea what to do with the building, yet he bought it. On the surface, it seems the man is a buffoon, but his comments, or lack thereof strongly suggest a demolition is on the horizon.

[Detroitnerd]

That's the way the rules of America are written.

What have you done to increase your worth to get the extra rolls? How much risk have you assumed? Or do you just march to work every day happy with the slave wages you're paid to be a safe employee?

No external force is going to save you. [[unless you're an insurance company, car company or a bank.) You have to pull up your socks and take some risks. Sitting on the sidelines bitching about other peoples decisions is not going to change anything. It's just going to leave you in the same powerless position you're currently in.

I KNOW! That's what I'm SAYING, NDAVIES! I totally agree! The rich should get as many rolls as possible. The less-well-off only get a couple. And NO ROLLS AT ALL for the poor! If they wanted to work they would have had the good sense to be born in another economic caste, or at least to be born in another time in this country.

And darn right no external force will save you unless you're a super-rich company. Then, all the poor and less-well-off must get together and chip in a few of OUR rolls so that you can get AS MANY ROLLS AS YOU LIKE! That's what makes America great!

So stop sitting outside the American casino and whining about shit like, "I've been trying to get a job for years, my unemployment ran out and now I'm reduced to selling blood and returning pop cans!" Just save your money and get inside where its warm for a few moments and have another go! It's just a matter of time. To do anything else would smack of such evils as communism. The Constitution is very clear on that.

[bailey]

The more cash, the more dice you get to roll. It's only fair.

Ya know, you'd have at least an arguable point if this were the DEGC knocking this place down. However, this is not a public entity, it's a private citizen who bought a derelict structure that apparently has little use in its current form. Seriously, it's not like this is a functioning building and he is evicting tenants or some organization to in order to [[most probably) tear it down. Should it be restored? yes. Can it be? Sure, all it takes is money. Will it be? nope. Why? because the dump truck load of money it will take to bring it online outweigh any possible return. Probably end up as a Wendys, Ihop or liquor store. And that stretch of Jefferson will be a little shittier for it. However, I think instead of taking it out on the new owner, maybe some of your ire should be directed at the YWCA that let it get into it's current condition or heck, how about directing it at the University club members that let their club fail 25 yrs ago?

[Detroitnerd]

Ya know, you'd have at least an arguable point if this were the DEGC knocking this place down. However, this is not a public entity, it's a private citizen who bought a derelict structure that apparently has little use in its current form. Seriously, it's not like this is a functioning building and he is evicting tenants or some organization to in order to [[most probably) tear it down. Should it be restored? yes. Can it be? Sure, all it takes is money. Will it be? nope. Why? because the dump truck load of money it will take to bring it online outweigh any possible return. Probably end up as a Wendys, Ihop or liquor store. And that stretch of Jefferson will be a little shittier for it. However, I think instead of taking it out on the new owner, maybe some of your ire should be directed at the YWCA that let it get into it's current condition or heck, how about directing it at the University club members that let their club fail 25 yrs ago?

No, man. I AGREE WITH YOU! This building is totally obsolete and needs to be torn down for something that puts it back on the tax rolls. Get rid of all that outdated architecture and put up something people can appreciate, such as a liquor store, parking lot, fast-food emporium or gas station. That's what we need in this city! Not that old, crappy 20th century stuff!

[bailey]

No, man. I AGREE WITH YOU! This building is totally obsolete and needs to be torn down for something that puts it back on the tax rolls. Get rid of all that outdated architecture and put up something people can appreciate, such as a liquor store, parking lot, fast-food emporium or gas station. That's what we need in this city! Not that old, crappy 20th century stuff!

do something about it or shut the fuck up. impotently posting sarcastic quips on a website isnt saving any buildings.

Just because the landlord has the deed doesn't mean it is right for him to tear a building that could be saved.

yes. it does. end of story. quit bitching.

No reason why this building can't sit longer until it can be renovated. Can anyone say Jefferson Ave Rail?

considering it;s going to be another decade or three before the M1 line even makes it to Royal Oak... I think that is a "no" on the whole "just wait until Jeff ave rail gets there" schtick.

[Huggybear]

If you think he's going to demolish it, and it's demolition as of right, you have to fight it in other ways.

Detroit Zoning Board
The Michigan Liquor Control Commission
Detroit City Counsel

He can't simply tear down a 40,000 square foot building to erect a small party store; you need a lot of special permits to do that, permits that involve public hearings.

I'm not in favor of that site's becoming a bigger version of Ammori's Liquor Shop. I'm going to start contacting people tomorrow. I wouldn't waste my time bitching about it here.

[n7hn]

If you think he's going to demolish it, and it's demolition as of right, you have to fight it in other ways.

Detroit Zoning Board
The Michigan Liquor Control Commission
Detroit City Counsel

He can't simply tear down a 40,000 square foot building to erect a small party store; you need a lot of special permits to do that, permits that involve public hearings.

I'm not in favor of that site's becoming a bigger version of Ammori's Liquor Shop. I'm going to start contacting people tomorrow. I wouldn't waste my time bitching about it here.

for some reason Anita Baker comes to mind, tee hee

[Detroitnerd]

do something about it or shut the fuck up. impotently posting sarcastic quips on a website isnt saving any buildings.

Oh, no, man. I AGREE with you. We need to tear all this stuff down! Why are you so hostile?

[ghettopalmetto]

Just because the landlord has the deed doesn't mean it is right for him to tear a building that could be saved.

yes. it does. end of story. quit bitching.

So what you're saying, bailey, is that the average non-multi-millionaire has no stake in the values of his community, how it looks, or how it functions?

In eight words, you've just overturned Euclid, Ohio v. Ambler Realty Company.

Now get out the way--I'm gonna turn that building into a hog rendering plant.

[Hermod]

So what you're saying, bailey, is that the average non-multi-millionaire has no stake in the values of his community, how it looks, or how it functions?

In eight words, you've just overturned Euclid, Ohio v. Ambler Realty Company.

Now get out the way--I'm gonna turn that building into a hog rendering plant.

Government zoning laws in and of themselves cannot force the owner of the property to keep a particular structure. They only restrict the possible uses to which the property can be utilized.

If the zoning is "commercial" any retail use should be permitted.

I can't tear down my house and build a rendering plant on my property.

I can demolish my house and build another single family residence on the property. Yes, I do need permits for the demolition and construction. You cannot deny me the permits just because you like my current house [[ohhhh, but it is sooooo cute......)

The owner should be permitted to do as he wishes within the current zoning of the property. To deny him that [[or to capriciously rezone it after you learn of his plans) would constitute a "taking".

[LeannaM]

It's his perogative as to what he wastes his money on. That's all part of what makes this country great. Anyone with a little bit of cash can role the dice and see what comes up.

I think citizens have a right to complain when their historic buildings are destroyed. Otherwise, cities wouldn't have preservation societies [[and I think most cities do have them).

I understand your point, and I agree he has a right to do what he wants with it, but I think Detroit citizens [[though obviously I am not one) have a right to voice their opinion about it.