Arts, Beats & Eats is moving to Royal Oak

Stosh · September-04-10, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by DC48080

And liberals don't tell people how to vote? That is laughable.

The last administration did not mold the Constitution at all. The last molding of the Constitution took place on May 7, 1992 when the 27th amendment was ratified. That happened to be during the Bill Clinton Presidency.

Read this, although you are sure to disagree.

Dick Cheney and George W. Bush established policies that violated six Constitutional Amendments, as well as the principle of habeas corpus, which guarantees the right to petition the courts to issue a writ of habeas corpus to require the government to produce a prisoner or suspect in order to determine the legality of the detention. Only Congress may order a suspension of habeas corpus, and then only in "Cases of Rebellion or Invasion." Congress did not suspend this right; nothing during or subsequent to the 9/11 attack indicated either a rebellion or invasion under terms of the Constitution

http://newsitem.com/opinion/constitu...-bush-1.625108

And the 27th amendment may as well be printed on toilet paper. What a wimpy amebdment that is. They should have gone with a ban on raises period, with salaries indexed to the national debt. THAT would get their attention.

DC48080 · September-04-10, 02:16 PM

What may or may not be a Constitutional violation is not the same as molding the Constitution, i.e. repealing an amendment.

And yes, the 27th is a useless amendment. I agree that Congressional salaries should be based on a number of things such as attendance at Congressional sessions. I also feel that the residents of a particular Congressperson's dictrict should be allowed to vote as to whether their Representative receives a raise when one is proposed.

Stosh · September-04-10, 02:34 PM

So tell me what amendments have been removed recently....

Thought so. Typical paranoia.

**PlymouthRes** · September-04-10, 02:38 PM

Hey guys, can we keep this on the topic of A, B & E and not a Constitutional debate?

For what its worth, I think Bush did do the country an injustice, but this ain't the thread to debate that on.

By the way, Stosh, congrats on considering a CPL. I urge you to take all of the training available [[such as that available at the Firing Line, or other shooting venues) as it will only make you better when and if you have to use your weapon. I only hope you never need to.

The purpose of a CPL is different than the point these folks are trying to make, though, as in open carry vs. concealed. Usually a concealed carry person is trying to do just that, conceal the fact that he/she is carrying, thereby getting the drop on the perp. I carry in both fashions depending on the situation. However, as I stated earlier, I personally think that their purpose doing so at this event is counter productive. This is just my opinion.

In this case, these people are completely expressing their Second Amendment to keep and bear arms and their right by State of Michigan law, albiet in a more "open" fashion. There is no law currently in effect banning them from doing so.

As for being "db's", that is your opinion of them, of which you are certainly entitled. Just don't expect everyone to agree.

Stosh · September-04-10, 02:45 PM

I can't think of a sane reason for anyone to make that kind of a statement at a family orientated event like ABE.
Therefore, db's it is, unless you can come up with a compelling argument otherwise.

**PlymouthRes** · September-04-10, 02:49 PM

I tried to. Again, even though I agree that it is an inappropriate event to carry at, they ARE ENTITLED TO. That's why.

I don't think even you wil disagree it would be wrong to limit their rights, would you?

Res

Stosh · September-04-10, 02:59 PM

No. Just inappropriate and, well, a db move.
Just the fact that they gather in a group and posture will illustrate their insecurities.

**PlymouthRes** · September-04-10, 03:09 PM

I happen to be agreeing with you, Stosh, without the derogatory remarks about peoples choices [[except in the case of ORDB, who I described as such because of her long running socialist/communist postings and antagonism toward a great many of us here on DYes).

Perhaps you are right, but start a thread about the merits of open carry vs. concealed on the Non-Detroit side and leave this one to the people wishing to comment on the festival.

By the way, do you always label people you don't agree with in such a deragatory fashion? If so, what does that make you?

Not trying to start a pissing match, but you would attract more bees with honey, not vinegar.

Res

**PlymouthRes** · September-04-10, 03:13 PM

By the way, did you read the article? It was JUST TWO GUYS, one of them handing out literature, not a group "gathering together posturing". If it were that, I would agree with you.

I've seen worse from some "religious" groups armed with their Bibles and tracts! Talk about "open carrying"!

Res

Stosh · September-04-10, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by PlymouthRes

By the way, did you read the article? It was JUST TWO GUYS, one of them handing out literature, not a group "gathering together posturing". If it were that, I would agree with you.

I've seen worse from some "religious" groups armed with their Bibles and tracts! Talk about "open carrying"!

Res

At their last PR event, they had maybe 5. So the rest of their group was up north? Talk about commitment.

And yes, it's still posturing. If I want to carry a sidearm in public as they do, I would, without having someone there to hold my hand, as it were.

**PlymouthRes** · September-04-10, 03:38 PM

You win, Stosh. I am getting nowhere here, and it is just getting more off topic.

Res

**gazhekwe** · September-04-10, 04:04 PM

I was just over that way, lots of young families, with dangerous babies in strollers. The idea of wearing a gun on your hip to protect yourself at an event like this reminds of young Bill. You know, his mother warned him, 'Don't take your guns to town, son, leave your guns at home.' He didn't listen and his message was received. He died in a gunfight. As to defending someone's objections, however put, just because I don't put it that way, doesn't mean I don't feel as strongly.

**princealbert** · September-05-10, 12:23 AM

My better half and I went to A B & E tonight to see some friends play at RO Music Theater. No wonder RO's fee was much cheaper than Pontiac's. $15 to park, no metered parking, all the neighborhood parking was permit only with temporary signs posted. On top of the parking fee, $3 each for admission. One glass of wine and a 16 oz. Bud, $15. $36 for about an hour's worth of fun. What a scam! We didn't even get to see anyone open carry. Royal Oak rarely gets a visit from me as it is, but this is the last time I spend my hard earned moola in that joke of a town. Boy I sure miss City Fest. That festival was class all the way. At least the Hamtown Fest and Jazz Fest are still hanging on.

**alsodave** · September-05-10, 06:40 AM

I'm glad that the neighborhoods are permit parking only--no litter or traffic congestion to worry about.

The open carry frenzy, so far, is a non-issue. Ran into a couple of public safety buddies, and they said there were very few people actually carrying. And by the size of the crowd, I don't think anyone cared.

The overwhelming complaints that I've heard have to do with the food/beverages ticket prices. 16 tickets for $10, with bottled water and pop at 5 or 6 tickets each. If they're not allowing even outside water in, at least make the water "affordable".

AB & E in Royal Oak actually reminds me of a much milder version of the Dally. Without any Ghettoblasters or a martini couch, it just doesn't compare...

**Zacha341** · September-05-10, 07:30 AM

So you cannot even "slip in" a bottle of water? I hate the tickets-for-water-rip-off thing as I like to use steel bottles from home. Or take a home made sandwhich if I am in between paydays... Oh well. The African World festival at Hart Plaza this year had the "meal and drink" ticket rip-off thing going so I just did NOT eat or drink... until I left the festival. It's just not in my budget to do the food-ticket rip off thing right now. People carrying guns legally is the least of my worries in as much as I doubt they'll be trying to rob me or worse during the event.

Originally Posted by alsodave

I'm glad that the neighborhoods are permit parking only--no litter or traffic congestion to worry about.

The open carry frenzy, so far, is a non-issue. Ran into a couple of public safety buddies, and they said there were very few people actually carrying. And by the size of the crowd, I don't think anyone cared.

The overwhelming complaints that I've heard have to do with the food/beverages ticket prices. 16 tickets for $10, with bottled water and pop at 5 or 6 tickets each. If they're not allowing even outside water in, at least make the water "affordable".

AB & E in Royal Oak actually reminds me of a much milder version of the Dally. Without any Ghettoblasters or a martini couch, it just doesn't compare...

**oldredfordette** · September-05-10, 08:08 AM

We kept comparing ABE with CityFest, ABE doesn't come close. But it was fun enough, since I live close I don't have to worry about parking, it would be way too expensive for me if I had to. Saw some good music again last night, it's really the only reason to go.

**maxx** · September-05-10, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by DC48080

Very self-rightous. But sadly, typical.

Just because you don't like guns that does not mean that those who do are "scumbags". There is nothing wrong with law abiding citizens arming themselves for protection against those with criminal intentions.

So they think they're going to do the job of the police or have a shootout in the middle of the festival? Someone's been watching too many cops n' crooks shows on TV.

I have to say that $15 beer should keep most festival-goers sober so the mix of guns and alcohol is much less likely.

DC48080 · September-05-10, 08:33 AM

I didn't suggest that they were going to do the job of the police. People have the right to protect themselves in a legal manner.

Folks are making way too much out of this whole issue.

Stosh · September-05-10, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by DC48080

I didn't suggest that they were going to do the job of the police. People have the right to protect themselves in a legal manner.

Folks are making way too much out of this whole issue.

THEY made it an issue, attention whores that they are.

DC48080 · September-05-10, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by Stosh

THEY made it an issue, attention whores that they are.

It is the screaming libs on this site who are always looking to protest and complain about something who are the "attention whores" as you put it. They are never happy about anything.

Stosh · September-05-10, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by DC48080

It is the screaming libs on this site who are always looking to protest and complain about something who are the "attention whores" as you put it. They are never happy about anything.

And it's the screaming whining neocons that are always complaining about how their rights to be total nutjobs is being compromised in some obscure way. And most times it's not anywhere near the problem they blow it up to be. Just enough to inflame their ignorant supporters. Lies are good like that.

Why should people be happy when we have idiots constantly drooling all over themselves promoting wedge issues?? Guns, abortion, immigration, mosques just to name a few.

**gnome** · September-05-10, 09:22 AM

PRes, Is it my correct understanding that some self-annointed ..... actually went to the White House, covered themselves in pinbacks of krazy, had their photo taken, posted it on the public access side of their Facebook page and now they are pleading for privacy?

Intentionally making a fool of themselves, broadcasting to the world, then recoiling when those same pictures are shown on an nameless/faceless chat forum?

Do you smell an entitlement mentality? Is that the definition of manic? Bi-polar? ouch

**jerrytimes** · September-05-10, 09:26 AM

Not that I've read this whole thing, but it seems that a lot of you don't get the whole thing about bringing the guns. I was there by the way, and I didn't see one. People are allowed to carry and it's not up to them to have an event on a public street and tell the public that the rules have changed. I don't even own a gun so it isn't like I was one of those people that wanted to carry, but I do support their viewpoint, although it is unnecessary to carry at something like this.

**gazhekwe** · September-05-10, 09:44 AM

although it is unnecessary to carry at something like this.

Precisely.

Stosh · September-05-10, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by gnome

PRes, Is it my correct understanding that some self-annointed ..... actually went to the White House, covered themselves in pinbacks of krazy, had their photo taken, posted it on the public access side of their Facebook page and now they are pleading for privacy?

Intentionally making a fool of themselves, broadcasting to the world, then recoiling when those same pictures are shown on an nameless/faceless chat forum?

Do you smell an entitlement mentality? Is that the definition of manic? Bi-polar? ouch

I smell something other than an entitlement mentality. I think it was one of her "friends" that ratted her location out. I think she should examine who she adds for the answer to that question.

As far as the picture goes, it's a first amendment right to act like a nutjob. Free speech and all that. Same thing when "some " claim Obama to be a socialist.