Arts, Beats & Eats is moving to Royal Oak

**dtowncitylover** · December-09-09, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by casscorridor

Moving to Royal Joke? One less reason to go to Arts, Beats and Eats, one more reason to go to City Fest.

Really? Royal Joke? Really? What is this, 1975? Royal Oak is a good location for ABE. It has a viable downtown whose businesses will do well when ABE happens, unlike Pontiac. ABE is just the suburban response to CityFest, and there's nothing wrong with that. I think it being in Pontiac would be one less reason to go to ABE.

**rb336** · December-10-09, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by dtowncitylover

Really? Royal Joke? Really? What is this, 1975? Royal Oak is a good location for ABE. It has a viable downtown whose businesses will do well when ABE happens, unlike Pontiac. ABE is just the suburban response to CityFest, and there's nothing wrong with that. I think it being in Pontiac would be one less reason to go to ABE.

i can't see it in RO. Where? at least in pontiac you had phoenix center for decent bands. it will be lame and annoying as hell for anyone who lives there.

**bailey** · December-10-09, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by rb336

i can't see it in RO. Where? at least in pontiac you had phoenix center for decent bands. it will be lame and annoying as hell for anyone who lives there.

..I know right? These things are always better held in desolated and virtually vacant downtowns and on top of parking structures so as not to bother anyone.

**sirrealone** · December-10-09, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by rb336

i can't see it in RO. Where? at least in pontiac you had phoenix center for decent bands. it will be lame and annoying as hell for anyone who lives there.

Here's a map: Link

I personally don't like the move at all. I've gone to the festival in Pontiac every year since it first opened. I've always had a great time, and in fact in 2003 I met the woman that is now my wife. It's led me to go to places in Pontiac that weekend and at other times that I probably wouldn't have otherwise. Do businesses in Royal Oak really need any more promotion and businesses in Pontiac need less? It makes me shake my head when some of the same people that fiercely support Detroit will say negative things about Pontiac, when the fact is that both cities need the buzz that festivals like ABE and JazzFest provide.

**Johnlodge** · December-10-09, 09:28 AM

I see the "international family of communities" is hard at work embracing its fellow communities again.

**Fury13** · December-10-09, 09:45 AM

Nothing against Pontiac -- in fact, in a way I wish they were keeping Arts, Beats & Eats -- but the dissing of Royal Oak both amuses and puzzles me. I mean, don't most of us wish that Detroit, on a larger scale, had the kind of livability and vibrancy that Royal Oak has?

**artds** · December-10-09, 09:53 AM

sweet. moving it to RO will make me far more likely to go.

**Johnlodge** · December-10-09, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Fury13

Nothing against Pontiac -- in fact, in a way I wish they were keeping Arts, Beats & Eats -- but the dissing of Royal Oak both amuses and puzzles me. I mean, don't most of us wish that Detroit, on a larger scale, had the kind of livability and vibrancy that Royal Oak has?

Certain people think that pounding their chests and flinging their feces at their neighbors somehow improves their own fate. These same people will be the first to scream foul when anybody besmirches their chosen place of residence. They don't understand that our entire area, even state, is tied together in its fate, and that they ought to be competing with the rest of the world, not the guy across the boulevard.

bartock · December-10-09, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Fury13

Nothing against Pontiac -- in fact, in a way I wish they were keeping Arts, Beats & Eats -- but the dissing of Royal Oak both amuses and puzzles me. I mean, don't most of us wish that Detroit, on a larger scale, had the kind of livability and vibrancy that Royal Oak has?

Exactly. Great point.

**pffft** · December-10-09, 10:18 PM

Royal Oak is a bustling, vibrant city. That's just the point. It doesn't need Arts Beats & Eats. In fact, it's hard to get a parking place now -- with a street festival going on, forget it. Wait til the local businesses discover how they'll virtually be held hostage during the thing.
It made sense in Pontiac, with the Phoenix Center amphitheater and all the parking, but in Royal Oak it'll be a nightmare. After a year of this, if the RO city council is smart they'll ask Witz for $500,000.

**johnsmith** · December-10-09, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Johnlodge

I see the "international family of communities" is hard at work embracing its fellow communities again.

Ironic, isn't it?

I'll be more likely to attend AB&E in R.O. then I would in Pontiac, just because it's closer to where I live.

**Detroitnerd** · December-10-09, 10:25 AM

Did ABE help kill the State Fair?

**Zacha341** · August-16-10, 09:44 PM

LOL! I was thinking that too. They best stop that bullet Amtrak that goes thru RO that day lest someone drunk wander too close and get their sketchers, or milano shoes ripped off the back of their heels....

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OH! And where to PARK!? Royal Oak is going to make a killing financially in parking tickets and over the limit parking meters. I think I'll catch the Smart bus if I go!

Originally Posted by rb336

i can't see it in RO. Where? at least in pontiac you had phoenix center for decent bands. it will be lame and annoying as hell for anyone who lives there.