GOP Health Plan: Die Quickly

[rb336]

1.42 Trillion as of today. If you want a running check, go to;

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

ah. you know not the difference between deficit and debt

deficit is up because
1) interest on dubya's debt has skyrocketed
2) still paying 100s of billions for Iraq/Afghanistan
3) loss of revenue due to the dubya economic meltdown
4) actions made necessary by the dubya economic meltdown which kept us from entering another great depression

[sturge]

Yeah deregulating the stock market was such a great idea. It didn't take them long to ruin it without the rules in place. That's the free market for you.

[ghettopalmetto]

ah. you know not the difference between deficit and debt

deficit is up because
1) interest on dubya's debt has skyrocketed
2) still paying 100s of billions for Iraq/Afghanistan
3) loss of revenue due to the dubya economic meltdown
4) actions made necessary by the dubya economic meltdown which kept us from entering another great depression

Well, let's be fair. A significant amount of that deficit spending was necessary in order to stem the recession. Thankfully, though, we're spending $900 billion on items that will give us value for the dollar--education, public safety, infrastructure projects, and high speed rail, among others. It beats the pants off handing out $1.2 trillion to the wealthy just for kicks.

Even the the deficit seems high, we are nowhere close to historical records for debt as a percentage of GDP. I just hope that once the budget gets into surplus, we actually pay down the damned debt instead of cutting checks to billionaires.

[ccbatson]

Both the deficit and the debt spiked up as a direct result of liberal spending [[less so from quasi liberal spending under GWB).

[ghettopalmetto]

Both the deficit and the debt spiked up as a direct result of liberal spending [[less so from quasi liberal spending under GWB).

Numbers, please.

[ccbatson]

Check the debt clock at debtclock.org

[ccbatson]

Oh...quadrupled in number form is to multiply a number by 4. Take the original figure, multiply it by 4, check the current number and...voila.

[rb336]

ah yes, numbers without a cause, which was fully explained and which you failed to counter. you lose again, Bats

[ccbatson]

No cause? Spending Rb...liberal spending of money/wealth that does not exist to create debt.

[Lorax]

Spending by liberals like George Tush, Dick Cheeseney, Goldman Sachs & cohorts.

[ccbatson]

Yes...to a far lesser degree than Obama, that is true.

[Lorax]

Actually I attach Obama's spending to Tush & Cheeseney.

If they hadn't brought us to the precipice, Obama wouldn't have to have spent more to dig us up to ground level.

Now if he had allowed the banks to fail, and nationalized the healthiest of them, then we'd have a better outcome- still not socialist enough for me.

[oladub]

Spending by liberals like George Tush, Dick Cheeseney, Goldman Sachs & cohorts.

Lorax, Goldman Sachs owns the Obama administration just like it owned the Bush administration. How many times must you be reminded? It has been Goldman Sach's policy, for many years, to have its executives do tours of duty within the highest level of our federal government.For instance, the Obama administration just appointed a GS executive to regulate the banking industry.

Since this is a thread about GOP Health Care though, how about your opinion on something like Bush's Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act . "Former US Comptroller General David M. Walker has called this "...probably the most fiscally irresponsible piece of legislation since the 1960s... because we promise way more than we can afford to keep." Whose side are you on on this one? Should Democrats get rid of this benefit because everything Bush ever did is 'bad' as you insist. Or should Democrats lay out how to properly fund Medicare before expanding government health care since we can't even afford that? My guess is that Obamacare will overshoot its cost estimates by something similar to the overshoot of Bush's Medicare effort. I can't think of many government programs that come in under budget.

[ccbatson]

We need to phase out all entitlements..INCLUDING what was perhaps GWB's worst policy of his administration...Medicare drug coverage.

[elganned]

Death panels for old and sick people.

It's looking more and more like thats going to be the only "affordable" option.

Who'd have thought the eugenisists were right, not on rational grounds, but on economic grounds?

[oladub]

Death panels for old and sick people.

It's looking more and more like thats going to be the only "affordable" option.

Who'd have thought the eugenisists were right, not on rational grounds, but on economic grounds?

What's the difference between so called 'death panels' and the way the Obama administration is managing the distribution of H1N1 vaccine? The federal government bought up a supply of 40M vaccines. The Obama administration than had to decide which of 307M Americans get the vaccine. It decided to distribute the vaccine to children and health care workers first because children are more likely to die and the health care workers are necessary. Before lower triage groups of Americans will be offered the option of having a vaccine, the Obama administration decided to give away 10% of our limited vaccine supply to foreign countries.

So if there is a national emergency why is the Obama administration giving away 10% of our taxpayer paid for supply of vaccinations? Shouldn't our government protect any American, even those in less favored demographic groups, before providing for foreigners? Maybe this is a foreshadow of Obamacare or how Amecicans will fare under other treaties that President Obama plans to enter into.

"Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told CNSNews.com Wednesday that one in 10 doses of the swine-flu vaccine purchased by the U.S. will be donated to other nations before the U.S. demand for the vaccine is filled."
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/55907

[ccbatson]

I can't believe I am saying this, but I don't think the administration intended to be slow with H1N1 vaccine distribution...it is yet another example of government ineffectiveness...and a large lesson therein lies.

[rb336]

actually, BATS, the problem with the lack of supply comes from the Private Sector manufacturers who claimed they could provide x-amount of vaccine when they could only provide y

[rb336]

We need to phase out all entitlements..INCLUDING what was perhaps GWB's worst policy of his administration...Medicare drug coverage.

medicare drug coverage was nothing but a sop to Big Pharma. dump it, replace it with negotiated prices

[ccbatson]

Gulp...we agree? Well sort of. Trash it and replace it with free market forces.