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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Whalley View Post
    https://youtu.be/y8c6_ih2zF4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Whalley View Post
    Tanks alot.

    If you enjoyed the video, don't miss the comments.

    Antifa on treads.

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    Detroit Free Press, April 28, 1941

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    ^ where was that tank factory built?

    Interesting how April of that year as Chrysler was coming online to support the war effort,85,000 Ford employees walked off the job.

    They leverage a world in turmoil to demand more money.

    When they say there was a time the county became United for a common cause,it has never really happened.
    Last edited by Richard; April-24-24 at 03:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    ^ where was that tank factory built?
    Van Dyke at 11 1/2 Mile Road.

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    It’s a largely untold story that the World War II years in Detroit were filled with strikes. Labor had new strength in those days, and if the companies were going to make big profits off the war workers wanted their share.

    Not all the strikes were economic such as when racists at the Packard plant led a wildcat strike when African-American workers were permitted to work what was considered a “white” job. This proceeded and likely precipitated the 1943 race riot. That did more damage to the war effort than any strike by far.

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    ^ where was that tank factory built?

    Interesting how April of that year as Chrysler was coming online to support the war effort,85,000 Ford employees walked off the job.

    They leverage a world in turmoil to demand more money.

    When they say there was a time the county became United for a common cause,it has never really happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM View Post
    Van Dyke at 11 1/2 Mile Road.
    Throughout the war, my dad worked the midnight shift at the tank plant. He rode streetcars and buses from Hamtramck seven days a week. Born in 1909, he was too young for WW1 and too old for WW2. Though he was required to register for the draft in 1939, he was never called up.

    He had no heel spurs, was a faithful, loving husband and father, held liberal ideals, and wasn't a fascist-loving clown like Richard the Turd.

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    Speaking of fifth columnists, Ford supported Hitler and didn't unionize until June 20, 1941.

    Meanwhile, the UAW's policy was zero strikes during the war.

    Richard the Turd, whose brain spins like the lights in a disco, tassels in a strip club, or felony counts in Trump Towers, is unable to make distinctions that are natural to stable intellects.

    P.S. My uncle had a farm one mile north of the tank plant.

    P.P.S. There was a barracks on government property south of the tank plant where German POWs lived. The barracks were visible from Van Dyke.
    Last edited by Henry Whalley; April-24-24 at 05:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM View Post
    Van Dyke at 11 1/2 Mile Road.
    In the Dana building ? I see there is a “Tank Ave “ next to it lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowell View Post
    It’s a largely untold story that the World War II years in Detroit were filled with strikes. Labor had new strength in those days, and if the companies were going to make big profits off the war workers wanted their share.
    You may be correct about wildcat strikes, Lowell. But I've read that the policy at Solidarity House was zero called strikes during the war.

    Steve Babson's book is a reliable source IMHO. I'll double-check there. When did the Packard workforce unionize?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Whalley View Post
    You may be correct about wildcat strikes, Lowell.

    1943-Packard-Motor-Company-strike.pdf [[motorcities.org)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimaz View Post
    Antifas.

    https://youtu.be/sOZF4QF32uc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Whalley View Post
    Again, read the comments. They're as interesting as the video.

    There's one that points out "Stop for a moment and consider that ALL of this, every vehicle, every firearm, every last piece of equipment...was made without the aid of computers."

    Then another that points out that "Computers were built without the aid of computers."

    That's not true today of course but damn. That was true! There was a time when "Computers were built without the aid of computers." They didn't invent themselves, as did human beings.

    That's profound. Take that, A.I.!

    Last edited by Jimaz; April-27-24 at 11:15 PM.

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    Imagine having to invent a computer in order to use it to break a code that was not created by a computer.

    When it comes to tanks,we were way behind the Germans and producing primitive but in large qualities.

    In targeting optics alone,ours was 2.5 while theirs were over 5X,deadly accurate.

    But the Norton bomb site was in essence a computer,and ships used a primitive computer of sorts for their fire control systems.

    The interesting part was Britain had most of the technology advancement designs but once they designed it they sent it to us to build because we had the ability to mass produce.

    Technology is crazy,now you can blow up a $10 million dollar tank that is so advanced that it can almost drive and target itself,with a $400 off the shelf drone that an average consumer can buy.

    The interesting thing is if you are on the receiving end, that tank built in Detroit in 1941 is going to have the same results as a tank built in 2024.
    Last edited by Richard; April-25-24 at 09:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimaz View Post
    ...this, every vehicle, every firearm, every last piece of equipment...was made without the aid of computers.
    I wonder if the U.S. is capable of great things in the present age, e.g., with a populace as stupid and benighted Sir Richard the Turd[???]

    stupidity | Etymology of stupidity by etymonline
    Last edited by Henry Whalley; April-25-24 at 06:10 PM.

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    World War 2 History | Veterans Share Their Stories
    https://youtu.be/ROSY9zo5PJc?t=1

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    Building The B-24 Bomber During WWII "Story of Willow Run"
    Made by the Ford Motor Company during WWII, "The Story of Willow Run" explains the company's role in producing the Consolidated B-24 Liberator heavy bomber. Narrated by Harry Wismer, the film explains how Ford manufactured and built B-24 Liberators under license from Consolidated Aircraft Company. Production rates were so great at the plant that a new B-24 rolled off the production line every 55 minutes.

    The plant began production in summer 1941; the dedication plaque is dated June 16. The plant initially built components; Douglas Aircraft and the plane's designer Consolidated Aircraft assembled the finished aircraft. Remote assembly proved problematic, and by October 1941 Ford received permission to produce complete Liberators. Willow Run's Liberator assembly line ran through May 1945, building almost half of all the Liberators produced.

    In early 1941 the Federal government established the Liberator Production Pool Program to meet the projected demand for the B-24, and the Ford company, joined the program shortly thereafter. Ford Motor would not only build the bombers, it would supply the airfield as well; the farm at Willow Run was an ideal location for the airfield's runways.

    Architect Albert Kahn designed the main structure of the Willow Run bomber plant, which had 3,500,000 square feet [[330,000 m2) of factory space, and an aircraft assembly line over a mile long. It was thought to be the largest factory under one roof anywhere in the world. The Willow Run plant featured a large turntable two-thirds of the way along the assembly line, allowing the B-24 production line to make a 90° turn before continuing to final assembly.

    Despite intensive design efforts led by Ford production executive Charles E. Sorensen, the opening of the plant still saw some mismanagement and bungling, and quality was uneven for some time. Although the Ford Trimotor had been a success in the 1920s, the company had since shied away from aviation, and initially, Ford was assigned to provide B-24 components with final assembly performed by Consolidated at its Fort Worth plant, or by fellow licensee Douglas Aircraft at its Tulsa, Oklahoma plant. However, in October 1941 Ford received permission from Consolidated and the Army to assemble complete Liberators on its own at its new Willow Run facility. Even then it would take nearly a year before finished Liberators left the factory.

    A 1943 committee authorized by Congress to examine problems at the plant issued a highly critical report; the Ford Motor Company had created a production line that too closely resembled an automobile assembly line "despite the warning of many experienced aircraftmen."

    Although the jumping of an automotive company into aircraft production posed these quality problems, it also brought remarkable production rates. The plant held the distinction of being the world's largest enclosed "room." The first Ford-built Liberator rolled off the Willow Run line in September 1942; the first series of Willow Run Liberators was the B-24E.Henry Ford was cantankerous and rigid in his ways. He was violently anti-union and there were serious labor difficulties, including a massive strike. In addition, Henry Ford refused on principle to hire women. However, he finally relented and did employ "Rosie the Riveters" on his assembly lines, probably more because so many of his potential male workers had been drafted into the military than due to any sudden development of a social conscience on his part.

    At the request of the government, Ford began to decentralize operations and many parts were assembled at other Ford plants as well as by the company's sub-contractors, with the Willow Run plant concentrating on final aircraft assembly. The bugs were eventually worked out of the manufacturing processes, and by 1944, Ford was rolling a Liberator off the Willow Run production line every 63 minutes, 24 hours a day,7 days a week.At its peak, Willow Run produced 650 B-24s per month. By 1945, Ford produced 70% of the B-24s in two 9-hour shifts. Ford produced half of the 18,000 total B-24s at Willow Run, and the B-24 holds the distinction of being the most produced heavy bomber in history. A total of 6,972 Liberators were built at Ford, and 1,893 knock-down parts were provided for other manufacturers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimaz;642230...[COLOR=#131313
    committee authorized by Congress


    Senate committee visit Ford Motor Company plant, April 13, 1942 - POLITICO

    Eighty-two years later Congress encourages war-profiteering.
    Last edited by Henry Whalley; April-27-24 at 08:16 PM.

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    BUILDING A TANK WWII M-3 MEDIUM TANK PRODUCTION DETROIT TANK ARSENAL & FORT KNOX
    This film is about American tank production and shows work at the Detroit Tank Arsenal in the 1941-1942 era. A shorter version of this film was released narrated by Orson Welles.The film details the manufacture and use of M-3 medium tanks. Tanks are assembled and treads, motors, guns, and turrets are put in place at a factory. Shows stock of many parts required. At the end of the film, tanks stage an attack at Fort Knox, Kentucky.

    Detroit Arsenal {DTA}, formerly Detroit Arsenal Tank Plant {DATP} was the first manufacturing plant ever built for the mass production of tanks in the United States. Established in 1940 under Chrysler, this plant was owned and managed by the U.S. government until 1952 when management of the facility was turned over to the Chrysler Corporation. This plant was owned by the U.S. government until 1996 . It was designed by architect Albert Kahn. The building was designed originally as a "dual production facility, so that it could make armaments and be turned into peaceful production at war's end. Notwithstanding its name, the 113-acre {0.46 km2} site was located in Warren, Michigan, Detroit's largest suburb.

    Chrysler's construction effort at the plant in 1941 was one of the fastest on record. The first tanks rumbled out of the plant before its complete construction.During World War II, the Detroit Arsenal Tank Plant built a quarter of the 89,568 tanks produced in the U.S. overall. The Korean War boosted production for the first time since World War II had ended; the government would suspend tank production after each war. In May 1952, Chrysler resumed control from the army, which had been unable to ramp up production.

    The M3 Lee, officially Medium Tank, M3, was an American medium tank used during World War II. In Britain, the tank was called by two names based on the turret configuration and crew size. Tanks employing US pattern turrets were called the "Lee", named after Confederate general Robert E. Lee. Variants using British pattern turrets were known as "Grant", named after Union general Ulysses S. Grant.

    Design commenced in July 1940, and the first M3s were operational in late 1941. The U.S. Army needed a medium tank armed with a 75mm gun and, coupled with the United Kingdom's immediate demand for 3,650 medium tanks, the Lee began production by late 1940. The design was a compromise meant to produce a tank as soon as possible. The M3 had considerable firepower and good armor, but had serious drawbacks in its general design and shape, including a high silhouette, an archaic sponson mounting of the main gun preventing the tank from taking a hull-down position, riveted construction, and poor off-road performance.

    Its overall performance was not satisfactory and the tank was withdrawn from combat in most theaters as soon as the M4 Sherman tank became available in larger numbers. In spite of this, it was considered by Hans von Luck {an Oberst {Colonel} in the Wehrmacht Heer and the author of Panzer Commander} to be superior to the best German tank at the time of its introduction, the Panzer IV {at least until the F1 variant}.

    Despite being replaced elsewhere, the British continued to use M3s in combat against the Japanese in southeast Asia until 1945. Nearly a thousand M3s were supplied to the Soviet military under Lend-Lease between 1941–1943.

    The M3 Lee was also the medium tank counterpart of the light tank M3 Stuart.

    The M3 Stuart, officially Light Tank, M3, was an American light tank of World War II. It was supplied to British and other Commonwealth forces under lend-lease prior to the entry of the U.S. into the war. Thereafter, it was used by U.S. and Allied forces until the end of the war.

    The British service name "Stuart" came from the American Civil War Confederate general J. E. B. Stuart and was used for both the M3 and the derivative M5 Light Tank. In U.S. use, the tanks were officially known as "Light Tank M3" and "Light Tank M5".

    Stuarts were the first American-crewed tanks in World War II to engage the enemy in tank versus tank combat.

    The Stuart was also the light tank counterpart of the M3 Lee, which was a medium tank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Whalley View Post
    That link failed because DetroitYES corrupted the URL with those left brackets.

    Here's an alternative link to the same page via TinyURL.com: National War Labor Board {1942–1945}.
    Last edited by Jimaz; April-27-24 at 10:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimaz View Post
    BUILDING A TANK WWII M-3 MEDIUM TANK PRODUCTION DETROIT TANK ARSENAL & FORT KNOX
    Periscope Films does great archival work. They have neat industrial and propaganda films from WWII as well. Things MGM, Disney and Warner Brothers have *never* commercially released, but were scanned in from private collections.

    https://archive.org/details/ephemera

    Periscope is a subset of a film collection on archive.org that specializes in ephemera. All kinds of neat stuff in here - old random VHS tapes, videodiscs from motion simulator rides, training films for AT&T...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimaz View Post

    BUILDING A TANK WWII M-3 MEDIUM TANK PRODUCTION DETROIT TANK ARSENAL & FORT KNOX
    That’s cool information in that the government still retained ownership in the plant until 1996,most stuff was returned to private enterprise after the war and many got stuck with tons of materials because they got that phone call to immediately cease production.

    But and a really big but - Narrated by Orson Welles ?

    The same guy that at the age of 23 convinced the entire country that we were being invaded by martians and everybody believed it .

    A testament to the power of radio back then and how people got their information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
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    Bite me, Dick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimaz View Post
    Bite me, Dick.

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