Predictably these threads almost always devolve into petty arguments.

So I would ask what to do now? Forger about demonizing the car; it is here to stay. To many of us a car is needed. Reasonable people would see a place for mass transit and the automobile.

What ideas do you all have that envision Detroit the way you would have it?

A few years ago in A2 the Calthorpe co was hired to help citizens work on what they would like the city to look like. People went to city hall sat with other citizens and designed their vision of certain area's.

What ideas are there here? The uppermost imo is safety. Nothing of significance will happen w/o big reductions in crime.