Here are the new Michigan laws that will take effect in 2024

[drjeff]

The concept was to lower wages in order to provide a competitive market and increase job growth.

So the thought pattern is to increase wages and union involvement while forcing employees to bend the knee,is going to make people and companies trip over themselves in order to move to the state and create jobs?

That mindset stopped working in the 50s,where was the union when it came to keeping those jobs in this country,other then supporting the party that shipped them overseas and created that sucking sound and the only way they can get employees is to force them into servitude if they want a job.

It did not work,that’s why they call it the rust belt.

Workers who are union members have far better wages and working conditions than workers who are not union members. Period. People do not have to "bend the knee" when union membership has huge benefits.

[Richard]

Workers who are union members have far better wages and working conditions than workers who are not union members. Period. People do not have to "bend the knee" when union membership has huge benefits.

I guess it boils down to who you believe.

In recent decades, states with Right-To-Work [[RTW) laws have experienced higher employment
and population growth than states without such laws. We investigate the extent to which these
patterns, and other related labor market phenomena, are causally explained by these laws and
closely related policies. Using border-pair differences, we find RTW laws are associated with
a 3.2 percentage point increase in the manufacturing share of employment. This increase in
manufacturing does not merely crowd out other economic activity; we find that people who live in
RTW regions have 1.6 percentage points higher employment, 1.4 percentage points higher labor
force participation, and 0.34 percentage points lower disability receipt than residents of similar
non-RTW areas. However, wages and labor compensation do not appear to be lower on average.

https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/ma...ht-to-work.pdf

• “Private sector employment grew by 27 percent in RTW states between 2001 and 2016, compared to 15 percent in non-RTW states.
• “On average, the annual unemployment rate in RTW states was 0.4 percentage points lower than in non-RTW states. In concrete terms, if non-RTW states had had the same unemployment rate as RTW states in 2017, approximately 249,000 more people would have been employed.

https://www.uschamber.com/employment...ce-2018-update

RTW has been studied for a long time in real life so it is not like your are implementing something brand new in order to see if it works or not.

Yes pay me or you do not get a job is akin to vote for me or you do not eat ,so yea,bend the knee.

But it now is what it is,what’s the worst that could happen during the following decades that it would take to recover should it not work.

If it works,great for Michagan and Detroit,you will have figured out how to do something 45 other states could not and will give you the competitive advantage in order to prosper.

I am not pro or anti union,I just base it on the numbers because at the end of the day,that’s what matters.

If you are not encouraging growth while looking to increase wages of the existing workforce all that you have left is squeezing the existing employees.

No different then the city of Detroit,without bringing in more residents,and as the costs increase the only thing you have left is to tax the existing residents at a higher rate, which causes more to seek different options elsewhere.

Personally my only beef with unions or maybe trying to understand, is how an organization that had so much power and influence, did so little to stop the offshoring that took away the very employees that they need to exist.

But you guys voted for this,so you will get what you want and live with the consequences good or bad,hopefully good,but what’s the worst that could happen when things do not?

That’s what it is about,finding that balance between what works or not and weighing the ramifications of each decision.