Refugees, asylum-seekers overwhelm Michigan shelters

[Danny]

^^^ Yep! And yet we've been told/ sold that the ONLY push back against and stance to end this was the alt-right GOP racists fox-snews types!

Untrue.

Blacks and others are also SAYING NO! NOW! Charity begins at home! Resources are NOT infinite.

We have our own homelessness, poverty, drug crisis and yet have we our borders now inarguably open [breached] to any one seeking to entry. While others wait on ever long lines? And let's not even mention the security risks, illegal drugs and sex trafficking.

This increasing breach of our borders is being called an 'exodus from poverty'. We will foot the bill on many levels. Bet.

Having friends and fam in the south I knew this was heading our way. Having friends and family who are legally vetted immigrants I also know that they TOO do not support this border breach [all POC not a republican among them]. A breaching that shows little slowing! More increasing each week. Where's the end here? When?

My immigrant family members now doubt their relatives will have a chance to legally immigrate to America as they did. They're right to be concerned.

Our cities are being flooded. This is happening in real time. What other country is doing/ does/ allow this?

Why? What IS the desired outcome? Total collapse?

Many struggling black people WILL be negatively impacted here in Detroit if we allow what is going in Chicago and NY.

Prove to me [anyone] that is will not be so.

Perhaps VP Harrison can repeat her compelling statement: 'Don't Come'.

Much of this crisis can be followed on Detroit Youtuber Anton Daniels channel:

Indeed it will happen here in Detroit if our city will be a sanctuary place.

[softailrider]

They're not undocumented illegal immigrants, they're legal asylum seekers. They're waiting for court dates to determine their status, and if they're declined then they get sent back.

This isn't a situation like Mexicans immigrating illegally 20 years ago, where they have their own functional country that they can build a life in, but chose to come here to make more money.

The countries these people are coming from have been taken over by gangs who rape rob and beat as they please. If you get on the gang's bad side you and your family's life is over. They forcibly recruit kids into the gangs and if they resist them and their family's life is over. The governments deploy the military to retake territory from the gangs but it doesn't work. These places have levels of violence on par with Syria and Afghanistan. On top of that, aside from the normal extreme poverty these countries normally face, there have been natural disasters to make things worse.

According to international law, US law, and basic human decency, these people are refugees and are allowed to stay in the US.

Call them undocumented persons, call them illegal aliens, migrants or whatever you want. I'm aware most come from unfortunate situations, but there has to be some limits to their arrival here.

I'm not against immigration. My grandparents on both sides were immigrants. they came here in what was a legal manner back then.

Obviously, we cannot afford to house, feed, provide medical care to 9 million people who have come through our borders. If certain individuals want to sponsor persons or families, and bear the financial and other responsibility for that, I think that's very laudable. But the situation is just not tenable, we cannot be the saviors for the world.

[Dan Wesson]

Poverty Exodus

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...us/ar-AA1lZoRX

[Zacha341]

Not incredibly so [or surprising] that factor does seem to emerge. Doesn't it?

...Cities like in California that demand that compassion the loudest also have 60,000 homeless in their streets, because at the end of the day compassion cost money.

[Zacha341]

Exactly. Somehow this single aspect alone has become obscured!

Obviously, we cannot afford to house, feed, provide medical care to 9 million people who have come through our borders. If certain individuals want to sponsor persons or families, and bear the financial and other responsibility for that, I think that's very laudable. But the situation is just not tenable, we cannot be the saviors for the world.

[Zacha341]

Indeed. Allowed to enter the US, at this level, at this divided and fiscally challenged time. Why?

Poverty Exodus

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[Jason]

Call them undocumented persons, call them illegal aliens, migrants or whatever you want. I'm aware most come from unfortunate situations, but there has to be some limits to their arrival here.

I'm not against immigration. My grandparents on both sides were immigrants. they came here in what was a legal manner back then.

Obviously, we cannot afford to house, feed, provide medical care to 9 million people who have come through our borders. If certain individuals want to sponsor persons or families, and bear the financial and other responsibility for that, I think that's very laudable. But the situation is just not tenable, we cannot be the saviors for the world.

They're not undocumented, or illegal. They are coming here in a legal manner, following the proper rules and proceedures. You're conflating illegal immigrants with refugees.

From a Congressional Research Service report:

"In FY2023, U.S. Border Patrol encountered more than
447,000 foreign nationals from the Northern Triangle
crossing the U.S. Southwest border between ports of entry,
including 213,000 Guatemalans; 181,000 Hondurans; and
53,000 Salvadorans [[see Figure 2). Of those encountered,
the Border Patrol placed 309,000 into removal proceedings
under Title 8 of the U.S. Code, where they could potentially
seek asylum or related relief, and expelled 138,000 from the
United States under Title 42 for public health reasons."

We're talking about a 0.15% increase of the US's population. The problem is not that the US cannot perform it's legal and moral duties, it's that if you put all of these people into a handful of big cities, they can't handle it. They need to be spread around. The idea that metro Detroit is "overwhelmed" by a few hundred refugees is laughable.

[oladub]

I know of bridge for sale if most Americans believe "They're not undocumented, or illegal." when they cross the Rio Grande. Only by changing the meaning of words do they become legal. Biden, Democrats and too many Republicans have wanted cheaper foreign labor and/or enough votes to make the Democratic Party the only Party.

According to the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol, 3,201,144 have entered the U.S. through the end of September without documentation this year. Without taking into account that these are just the undocumented that were 'encountered' by the Border Patrol or that the flow has been increasing, just extrapolating 12 months [[3,201,144x4/3) equals 4,266,937 new mouths to feed, house and provide medical service for just for 2023. The estimates I've seen for the whole of the Biden administration have been over 6M and up to 10M so far. This on top of the 20M+ undocumented folks previously in the country.

Going with the lower 6M figure, that is greater than the population of say Minnesota. That means, nationwide, that enough infrastructure, has to be be built to equal every bit of pavement, schools, housing, commerce, medical schools etc.. in Minnesota. No one can consider themselves green who supports this. Taxes will have to be raised, more debt dumped on our children, or benefits cut to Americans to finance this. The federal government should at least be spending enough to provide medical care for an extra 6M new residents or the waits for care will only be longer. Michigans share of the invasion, if equally appropriated, will be 125,182 new usually poorly educated unskilled residents. Ann Arbor has 122,000 resident for comparison. How much would it cost to build a new Ann Arbor? We simply cannot afford to accept everyone in the world who arrives claiming they need refugee or asylum status because of bad weather or coming from countries with worse governments than our own.

Unlock all your own doors and vote for Democrats if you want to show support for open border policies.

[Dan Wesson]

Indeed. Allowed to enter the US, at this level, at this divided and fiscally challenged time. Why?



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And to think it is done by the stroke of a pen using Executive Order.

[Vic01]

...Obviously, we cannot afford to house, feed, provide medical care to 9 million people who have come through our borders. If certain individuals want to sponsor persons or families, and bear the financial and other responsibility for that, I think that's very laudable. But the situation is just not tenable, we cannot be the saviors for the world.

Just to stir it up a bit Could we afford it more easily if the bulk of the 9 million were legally paying taxes? Paying for services and pumping up the social security system?

[oladub]

Just to stir it up a bit Could we afford it more easily if the bulk of the 9 million were legally paying taxes? Paying for services and pumping up the social security system?

Citing union roofers and union meat packers as examples of American workers replaced by cheaper non union legal and illegal immmigrants: The taxes would be, I'm guessing, half to three quarters as much. Then we have to look at whatever happened to the displaced American workers. Did they retire early, accept a lower paying job, or even die from Fentanyl that came across the open border.

100,000 Americans died from fentanyl last year. It is mostly disgruntled whites but fentanyl use is said to be on the increase in the black community. What does it cost government to deal with that?

And how does having an extra ~26M illegal aliens [[only 6M are Joe's) who mostly have found housing affect the availability and affordability of housing of Americans?

Taxpayers pay about $12,700/year for the average K-12 student and probably more for second language students. So $12,700 x 13 years for K-12 = $165,110 for the cost of education for each child. Maybe by cutting educational programs for other kids and raising taxes, Detroit could afford this but it won't be all from taxing wages.

What if our enemies saw a chance to slip in some 9/11 type operatives as 'asylum seekers' or WMDs? Naw, let's be arrogant and pretend they are too stupid to see that opportunity. Only two of the 9/11 crew members were illegal after all. What did that mess cost the U.S. in security inconveniences and costs and lives lost in imaginary reprisal wars? "More than 24,000 Chinese citizens have been apprehended crossing into the United States from Mexico in the past year. That is more than in the preceding 10 years combined." -11/24/23 NY Times Whatever...

[Richard]

Just to stir it up a bit Could we afford it more easily if the bulk of the 9 million were legally paying taxes? Paying for services and pumping up the social security system?

No,because if they were legally paying taxes that would meen they have legal standing and citizen rights,or large protests demanding things - Because I pay taxes I have the right.

You cannot go to any country in the world and work without being a citizen,well you could in Europe and that’s why England did the Brexit thing,because people were moving there from poorer countries,getting a job,then receiving public benefits,then moving back to their country while collecting UK benefits.

The argument of illegals work for cheap wages is why others support their influx no longer applies,because they demand the same prevailing wage as everybody else.

As a rule they work low pay jobs because of lack of skills and language barriers,no different than U.S. citizens that work low pay jobs,the lack of skills part.

[Henry Whalley]

[QUOTE=oladub;639328]...Did they retire early, accept a lower paying job, or even die from Fentanyl that came across the open border.

That boat sailed about fifty years ago. Did you miss the memo about neo-liberalism?

[Dbest]

I'm not understanding how the border is wide open NOW under Biden. What's the difference now than when Trump was in office? Isn't it just an issue of more migrants trying to get into the country than before? I'm curious to hear your explanation?

Are you obtuse or what? Do some reading, not just CNN headline browsing, and it will clear things up for you. Start with Mayorkas. Biden is fucking clown that is out to crush the working low income class in this country.

[JonWylie]

Are you obtuse or what? Do some reading, not just CNN headline browsing, and it will clear things up for you. Start with Mayorkas. Biden is fucking clown that is out to crush the working low income class in this country.

Great explanation, very scholarly...

[Henry Whalley]

Biden is fucking clown that is out to crush the working low income class in this country.

Best economy since 1960s. But ideologues hate it.

[Dan Wesson]

Best economy since 1960s. But ideologues hate it.

That’s right, best economy ever built upon quick sand.
That is what trillions of dollars of borrowed money can get you if you are economically naive.
If you never intend to pay it back then it’s party time.

[Honky Tonk]

That’s right, best economy ever built upon quick sand.
That is what trillions of dollars of borrowed money can get you if you are economically naive.
If you never intend to pay it back then it’s party time.

Yes, But ideologues love it.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by royce
I'm not understanding how the border is wide open NOW under Biden. What's the difference now than when Trump was in office? Isn't it just an issue of more migrants trying to get into the country than before? I'm curious to hear your explanation?

It’s more complicated then that,we stopped being the world police and doing regime changes.

What you are seeing is a result of that as socialism and dictatorships rise to power and made everybody equally poor.

Social media plays a role and technology in order to create mass convoys of people,people can be poorer than dirt but still have a cell phone when they never seen a phone in their life.

It’s not just us,Britain and France is being inundated also,several other countries also.

For South America,the border countries filled up then the mass migration moved forward to the next country,Canada is not so bad because it is a long walk to their border.

Take like Chicago,7000 were bussed there but they show a net increase of 114,000.

There are only so many countries in the world where people can migrate to that is relatively safe,the U.S. is the one that offers the most opportunity and we do not like scum bag socialists,so dispite the political stuff we are a stable country where as other countries you simply have a coup.

Millions of Venezuelans went to Columbia,now the current political leanings in Columbia are socialist and if that continues long term,they With millions of Columbians will be at our border.

It has little to do with economics,because you can be poor but happy,we just set a different standard because 80% of the things we have are not really necessary for survival.

We need to get back to regime changes,the mass migration is the price we pay for not doing it.

[jcole]

Great explanation, very scholarly...

[admin]

Thread closed. No longer about Detroit.