Shawn Fain for President

[JonWylie]

The Ugly Truth About Henry Fordhttps://youtu.be/0yNBzsN9ryE

None of these videos have to do with Shawn Fain

[Henry Whalley]

None of these videos have to do with Shawn Fain

UAW president Shawn Fain on labor's comeback: "This is what happens when workers get power" [[yahoo.com)

[Henry Whalley]

None of these videos have to do with Shawn Fain

After Gains at Big Three, UAW Aims at Nonunion Plants [[yahoo.com)

[Zacha341]

I say let's see how the automotive industry here in the US fairs LONG-TERM post latest negotiations per Fain's leadership before we start spouting him off for anything bigger.

As the middle-class is pressed it will be interesting to see if this admin remains cosy with unions demanding higher wages against policies severely impacting the cost of living, deficit spending etc.

Against the affirmed wave of migrants who'll work for less and robots, and AI.

Let's see how Stellantis [Chrysler] and Fain look in say three years?

IME Fain's too intelligent for national politics. Same goes for Sean O'Brien AFAIK.

[Henry Whalley]

...LONG-TERM post latest negotiations per Fain's leadership before we start spouting him off for anything bigger...

Agreed.

But IME Lowell's original point wasn't literally about Fain, but rather about the fact that we need national leaders who aren't pretending, but who are in fact committed to rebuilding the middle class.

Also, IME three years is hardly 'LONG-TERM' considering that it took neoliberals fifty-five years, plus the assassination of Walter P. Reuther, to kill the middle class. Three years isn't even one bankruptcy cycle for an automaker.

Walter Reuther - Wikipedia

[Richard]

Agreed.

But IME Lowell's original point wasn't literally about Fain, but rather about the fact that we need national leaders who aren't pretending, but who are in fact committed to rebuilding the middle class.

Also, IME three years is hardly 'LONG-TERM' considering that it took neoliberals fifty-five years, plus the assassination of Walter P. Reuther, to kill the middle class. Three years isn't even one bankruptcy cycle for an automaker.

Walter Reuther - Wikipedia

Do a little research instead of parroting political talking points,58 % of Americans consider themselves middle class,the people do not even support switching from a service economy back to an industrialized and manufacturing economy,so how are you going to force people to do something they do not want to do?

We “need to rebuild the middle class” is code speak for justifying middle class wages for flipping burgers,all the tools are there anybody,can become anything they want.

In the early days Detroit auto workers earned the highest wages in the country without having a skill,because they built stuff.

You cannot say you do not want to build stuff anymore and expect a burger place to pay middle class wages,unless you are ready to pay $50 for a burger.

The people demand cheap products,the politicians cannot change that no matter what they do.

As you can see in the EV thread,you can only squeeze a company so far until you price them out of existence,because Americans thirst for cheap crap will make sure the competition has plenty of advantages.

[Henry Whalley]

Most Americans Consider Themselves Middle-Class. But Are They? | RAND

[Zacha341]

Good points regarding how long it took the past neos, but the radical left has accelerated change quite fast in just these last three years!

...Also, IME three years is hardly 'LONG-TERM' considering that it took neoliberals fifty-five years, plus the assassination of Walter P. Reuther, to kill the middle class. Three years isn't even one bankruptcy cycle for an automaker.

Walter Reuther - Wikipedia

[Meddle]

UAW should not have settled any talks without massive pay package cuts from the Suits. No cut, no deal. 75-80% cut for Barra or no production plants run.

[Cincinnati_Kid]

UAW should not have settled any talks without massive pay package cuts from the Suits. No cut, no deal. 75-80% cut for Barra or no production plants run.

Now this I can agree with. As you say, the suits will still get their's. No paycuts for them. Those wage increases for the workers will just be reflected in the price of the vehicles they build. The average price for a new car or truck is $40,000 dollars, a all-time high.

[Henry Whalley]

Now this I can agree with. As you say, the suits will still get their's. No paycuts for them. Those wage increases for the workers will just be reflected in the price of the vehicles they build. The average price for a new car or truck is $40,000 dollars, a all-time high.

The union can't bargain over those things. But I see your point.

[Henry Whalley]

Capitalist Freeloaders:

UAW's Shawn Fain at 32-hour workweek hearing: It's true people "don’t want to work," it's the "Wall Street freeloaders." [[yahoo.com)

[Richard]

Stupid capitalists working in a capitalist society thinking like capitalists,who do they think they are,do they not know that socialism is the preferred method in a capitalist society.

Nobody is stopping anybody from going to work on Wall Street and enjoying the fruits it may or may not bear,but it is easier to require somebody to pay you for 5 days of work while only having to work 4,ideally it would be getting paid to stay home and not have to work at all.

[Jimaz]

...Nobody is stopping anybody from going to work on Wall Street and enjoying the fruits it may or may not bear,but it is easier to require somebody to pay you for 5 days of work while only having to work 4,ideally it would be getting paid to stay home and not have to work at all.

Spoken as would be expected from a true capitalist-funded shillbot who can work for free as opposed to human beings striving to create genuine wealth who, in return, need a genuine living wage to survive.

They plant these automated shillbots to demoralize human beings: Us.

Where is the outrage?

Bypass the bots. Subvert the Parasitic Saboteurs in Power directly!

[Richard]

Spoken as would be expected from a true capitalist-funded shillbot who can work for free as opposed to human beings striving to create genuine wealth who, in return, need a genuine living wage to survive.

They plant these automated shillbots to demoralize human beings: Us.

Where is the outrage?

Bypass the bots. Subvert the Parasitic Saboteurs in Power directly!

Kinda hypocritical to be enjoying the fruits of capitalism while opposing capitalism,ya think

Define what a livable wage is in a non Marxist,socialist way.

I have no debt so a livable wage for me can be $200 a week. So that’s the definition.

[Jimaz]

Capitalist Freeloaders:

UAW's Shawn Fain at 32-hour workweek hearing: It's true people "don’t want to work," it's the "Wall Street freeloaders." [[yahoo.com)

Here is some more context to President Fain's testimony:

Shawn Fain at Senate Hearing on 32 Hour Work Week

For the entire hearing from 3/14/24 [see:] Join me LIVE for a hearing to discuss why we must move to a 32-hour workweek – with no loss in pay.

[Henry Whalley]

Living wage - Wikipedia

[Henry Whalley]

...the radical left has accelerated change quite fast in just these last three years!

What's so "radical left" about a living wage?

Even the philosopher of capitalism argued for it:

"Servants, laborers and workmen of different kinds, make up the far greater part of every great political society. But what improves the circumstances of the greater part can never be regarded as an inconvenience to the whole. No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable. It is but equity, besides, that they who feed, clothe, and lodge the whole body of the people, should have such a share of the produce of their own labor as to be themselves tolerably well fed, clothed and lodged." —  Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations, I .viii.36

P.S. Unfortunately after Engels, Marx and Lenin, every decent and humane idea could and would be conveniently dismissed as subversive.

[Henry Whalley]

...They plant these automated shillbots to demoralize human beings: Us.

Agreed, but their shillbots are so laughably ignorant, illogical, and stupid that they just add to my fun. Partisans so dumb can't possibly win in the end.

[Henry Whalley]

VW Workers in Chattanooga Seek Vote to Join Union - The New York Times [[nytimes.com)

[Richard]

Living wage - Wikipedia

If people were not paid a living wage as a majority,then as a majority the population would be living in the streets while owning nothing by that definition.

I can define living wage.

The maximum amount of money expected by a worker while working the least amount of hours,while putting forward the least amount of effort.

Even worse in this country because all the tools are there in order to learn a trade,skill or profession where they can earn above average wages,in most cities for free,it just takes a little effort.

A living wage is a term created by the socialists who prefer everybody to be equally poor while a few at the top hold all the wealth.

[Henry Whalley]

UAW President Shawn Fain Is the 2024 MotorTrend Person of the Year

[Henry Whalley]

https://youtu.be/AuDTCQzsTNE

[jcole]

I don't know if this was ever mentioned, but one of the things I wonder about Sean Fenn is if his parents named him after Sinn Fein....

[Richard]

^ definitely two peas in a pod,as they say .

Socialist party achieves goals through the use of violence to overthrow governments in order to implement.

Democrat Socialist Party achieves goals by using the system from within to implement changes over a long period of time.

One is quick and fast the other is slow and methodical,like a wolf in sheep’s clothing.