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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelAnthonyVideos View Post
    A new housing crisis is here with the millions if illegals crossing the border.
    "All the problems we face in the United States today can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy on the part of the American Indian."
    — Pat Paulsen

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    I have heard that the Big Three have always lobbied the politicians to prevent good rapid transit, including inner city trains. Mayor Archer had a good plan for inner city trains but the Big Three stopped it.

    And supposedly Henry Ford subsidized salting the roads because he wanted the cars to rust out so we would have to buy new ones and new parts such as rusted out mufflers.

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    It is no secret that the manufacturers conspired to systematically eliminate public transit,they had to pay a fine for doing so,but there was no,you broke it you fix it stance taken and who knows what happened to the fine money.

    A lot of it is based on old methodology,what exactly is a walkable city?

    In the old days Detroit was established as a walkable city,factory’s in the neighborhood and everything else that was needed,nowadays peoole live in the core because it is trendy and cars they drive outside of it to work or even to find a grocery store.

    When I was a kid up north the only thing I saw about Florida was sandy beaches and palm trees,but the reality is it is no different then any other place in the country.

    NYC can be classified as a walkable city with public transit options but yet there are traffic jams across the city all day long.

    Its like anything else,it’s about how you sell it.

    In Europe there are walkable cities,but as a majority the population lives on 20% of the land in dense citys that still have the old style shops and vendors to where you can walk to get what you need.

    Minneapolis was one of fastest growing cities while it was not walkable,they are now building a public transit system,but it did not take ground until after the fact.

    This was from 2020


    • The Census groups the reasons for moving into four overarching categories: housing [[40 percent), family [[25 percent), employment [[20 percent) and other [[15 percent).


    https://livability.com/topics/make-y...or-relocation/

    Last edited by Richard; October-16-23 at 07:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    In the old days Detroit was established as a walkable city,factory’s in the neighborhood and everything else that was needed,nowadays peoole live in the core because it is trendy and cars they drive outside of it to work or even to find a grocery store.
    The factories weren't built near existing neighborhoods. They were on the outskirts of the city. If you look at Google Maps in satellite view, you can see the ring of these industrial areas to this day. The problem was that Detroit grew out to this ring, and nobody [[with any money) wanted to live next to a tire factory or steel mill, so people started moving to the far side of that ring. Some of those areas became Detroit, too, but some of those areas became the suburbs.

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    I would take living in Detroit than living in New York City, with all of its conveniences, anyway. However, Detroit need not to become another New York or Los Angeles but strive to be a working person's town with a mixture of techies, labor, white collar, and medical living in the same community with strict ordinances.
    The Governor hadn't don't to much to make Michigan an attractive state for seekers to want to move here. She hasn't focused on Michigan having mass transit for Southern Michigan that will decrease amount of vehicles traveling and destroying these damn roads. She focuses on bringing more industrial companies to Michgan but not more tech companies as well as making Michigan including Detroit more international hubs especially with the Detroit River.

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    Irony is hilariously entertaining sometimes.

    South Dakota had the very first commercial in the Republican debate. Now the hard core repube posters have a problem that Gretch is doing the same thing. Same old partisan crap, it never ends.

    At the end of the day it is the quality of the marketing campaign. Some are effective and some are hot garbage. We will see. Considering that many states market themselves Michigan has little choice but to get in the game. There is little doubt we need people coming in that are motivated and have skills and an education. Hell, if this succeeds in just slowing the brain drain it has value.
    Last edited by ABetterDetroit; October-16-23 at 03:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABetterDetroit View Post
    South Dakota had the very first commercial in the Republican debate. Now the hard core repube posters have a problem that Gretch is doing the same thing. Same old partisan crap, it never ends.
    Who in this thread suggested South Dakota's marketing campaign isn't just as much a poor use of resources?

    Or for that matter, who even brought South Dakota up in this thread besides you?

    EDIT: Furthermore, who else in this thread brought up Democrats vs. Republicans besides you?
    Last edited by 313WX; October-16-23 at 04:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 313WX View Post
    Who in this thread suggested South Dakota's marketing campaign isn't just as much a poor use of resources?

    Or for that matter, who even brought South Dakota up in this thread besides you?

    EDIT: Furthermore, who else in this thread brought up Democrats vs. Republicans besides you?
    Just pointing out stupid hypocrisy. You pretending it doesn’t exist? Doesn’t really stop the fact that it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABetterDetroit View Post
    Just pointing out stupid hypocrisy.
    Respectfully, what you're doing is deraiing my topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelAnthonyVideos View Post
    Even our Amtrack station is an embarrassment. Toledo has a bigger train station than Detroit does.
    Amtrak is confined to a small room [[former baggage handling area IIRC) in the basement of Toledo's station. The rest of the building is now occupied by the typical government/nonprofit offices.

    Admittedly Detroit's waiting room is smaller than Toledo's. The station looks like a repurposed Rite Aid, although probably even smaller. MDOT is planning a new station across the tracks. https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/about/...modal-facility
    Last edited by Burnsie; October-16-23 at 09:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 313WX View Post
    Respectfully, what you're doing is deraiing my topic.
    I have a question and hopefully people will take it in an adult way and not twist it around,but you left Detroit,nobody can blame anybody when it comes to making decisions that they have to make in order to better their life,you have to do what you have to do.

    What would it take to encourage you to move back to Detroit ?

    I understand it is complex and there is no magic wand but everything else aside and not being tainted by the past,what is it that you miss about living there?

    Because that is what we draw and build on,is our strengths and not our weaknesses.

    The Atlanta that you live in today is not the Atlanta pre-Katrina and I know several that live in the burbs that swear they only enter the city if they absolutely must.

    So it does share a lot of the same hurdles that Detroit does,with a population of about 100k less.
    Last edited by Richard; October-17-23 at 12:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    I have a question and hopefully people will take it in an adult way and not twist it around,but you left Detroit,nobody can blame anybody when it comes to making decisions that they have to make in order to better their life,you have to do what you have to do.

    What would it take to encourage you to move back to Detroit ?

    I understand it is complex and there is no magic wand but everything else aside and not being tainted by the past,what is it that you miss about living there?

    Because that is what we draw and build on,is our strengths and not our weaknesses.

    The Atlanta that you live in today is not the Atlanta pre-Katrina and I know several that live in the burbs that swear they only enter the city if they absolutely must.

    So it does share a lot of the same hurdles that Detroit does,with a population of about 100k less.
    I don't live in Atlanta, and haven't for several years.

    But to answer your question, I have no intention of ever moving back to Michigan by choice. Even if it wasn't struggling with economic depression, overwhelming blight, brain drain, crumbling infrastructure, high taxes/insurance or population decline, I couldn't deal with the gloomy weather 9 months out of the year [[I know this is something that can't be controlled).

    That being said, I still have family in Michigan and I want them to have a higher quality of life. Also, I would like to get positive reactions from people when I tell them where I'm from versus reactions of disgust or pity.

    So despite not living there now, I continue to have a vested interest in Michigan doing better.
    Last edited by 313WX; October-17-23 at 02:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBMcB View Post
    The factories weren't built near existing neighborhoods. They were on the outskirts of the city. If you look at Google Maps in satellite view, you can see the ring of these industrial areas to this day. The problem was that Detroit grew out to this ring, and nobody [[with any money) wanted to live next to a tire factory or steel mill, so people started moving to the far side of that ring. Some of those areas became Detroit, too, but some of those areas became the suburbs.
    The Packard Plant was built in a growing neighborhood near Grand Blvd. The Ford Plant on Mack and Beaufalt was built in the middle of an existing neighborhood.
    Last edited by stasu1213; October-17-23 at 09:48 AM.

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    There were going to be a trolley running on the train tracks in between the Amtrack local running schedule. A few months before operation was to begin Governor Jennifer Graholm announced that the plans were canceled. The QLine were to run north to 8 mile rd along Woodward with the help of State funding but at the last minute Governor Snyder pulled the State funding. There's a movement in Michigan to keep to this state more car dependent. It's amazing that the topic of mass transit or the improvement there of wasn't even a debatable topic of last year's Gubernatorial debates. The Governor could really get the ball rolling on improving mass transit in Michigan. Sadly Governor Whitmer would rather spend millions on one strip of Autonomous road on Michigan than to spend it on improving mass transit especially in Southeastern Michigan. Michigan is just a climb or stepping stone for her to Washington

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    That’s the thing with mass transit everywhere though,no matter who is in power.

    It took us over 30 years to get it established in Orlando and it was a majority of private funding that got it going,the rail from Miami to Orlando and now to Tampa would have never got off the ground without funding from Richard Branson and Virgin airlines who are no longer involved but it is up and running.

    I keep saying it,but it is entirely possible to get it off the ground without depending on the politicians who excel at making promises that are weak when it comes to delivery.

    Everybody keeps saying it loses money but no private corporation in the world is going to spend billions to implement a mass transit system based on it is going to lose money and yet here we are.
    Last edited by Richard; October-17-23 at 11:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stasu1213 View Post
    The Packard Plant was built in a growing neighborhood near Grand Blvd. The Ford Plant on Mack and Beaufalt was built in the middle of an existing neighborhood.
    Actually the Packard Plant was not so much built into a neighborhood, but rather an entire industrial belt between Mt. Elliott and Concord runs from E. Jefferson all the way up to 8 Mile Rd., with neighborhoods to the east and west of that industrial belt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gistok View Post
    Actually the Packard Plant was not so much built into a neighborhood, but rather an entire industrial belt between Mt. Elliott and Concord runs from E. Jefferson all the way up to 8 Mile Rd., with neighborhoods to the east and west of that industrial belt.

    Yes, and the factories clustered like barnacles along the railroad mainlines & belt lines. The freight-only Michigan Central branch that served Packard originally went down to Jefferson, turned west & ultimately connected with the Grand Trunk Dequindre line. Absolutely packed with industry the whole way. Now it ends at Warren Ave. where it serves, or served LaGrasso Bros. Produce.

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    These are the types of initiatives that will bring more of an educated workforce & high-paying jobs to the region. These are in the pipeline.

    Hopefully, the research and educational institutions spinoffs to startup companies

    Henry Ford + MSU Health Sciences Detroit Research Building Approved for Planning by Board of Trustees | Office of Research and Innovation

    Planning for the new, state-of-the-art research facility in downtown Detroit, part of the Henry Ford Health + Michigan State University Health Sciences’ 30-year partnership, was authorized today by the MSU Board of Trustees...This new facility will allow us to expand our research in cancer and health disparities, fueling innovation and discovery through traditional and new approaches like machine learning and artificial intelligence, as well as academically and clinically integrated teams of doctors, nurses, scientists, academics and public health practitioners.
    https://research.msu.edu/news/henry-...board-trustees


    Henry Ford Health plans 'transformational' $2.5B hospital, developments with Pistons, MSU

    The Detroit-based health system plans to tear down the Health Alliance Plan headquarters and construct a $1.8 billion hospital in Detroit's New Center area across the street from the existing Henry Ford Hospital, officials announced at the Pistons Performance Facility. The hospitals and facilities would be connected through a series of bridges, underground tunnels and walkway green space. The new hospital would have 877 beds, the same number as the existing hospital, but a new patient tower would house 350 of those, officials said.

    The redeveloped area will be anchored by a reimagined Henry Ford Health academic health care campus, a new 1 million-square-foot facility and patient tower. Differences include an expanded emergency department with space for trauma and behavioral health, intensive care units and technologically advanced operating suites. Modernized spaces include procedural, cardiac catheterization, physiology labs, interventional radiology, as well as robotic platforms to focus on neuroscience and cancer transplant.

    The multi-year commercial development led by Detroit Pistons owner Tom Gores is expected to create 550 or more residential units, and more than 85,000 square feet dedicated to green space, recreation and outdoor basketball courts, Pistons spokesman Kevin Grigg said.
    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...l/69884074007/

    Dan Gilbert's big move on health care

    The Gilbert Family Foundation is helping to establish a 72-bed physical medicine and rehabilitation facility in Detroit with partners Henry Ford Health System and Shirley Ryan AbilityLab. The foundation, a private fund created by Dan and Jennifer Gilbert, also announced it is creating the Nick Gilbert Neurofibromatosis Research Institute in Detroit, which will work in partnership with Henry Ford Health and Michigan State University Health Sciences.

    The rehabilitation facility initiative is expected to cost $179 million, while the research institute has a total price tag of about $240 million over 10 years, plus another $5 million to cover any possible cost overruns, according to the Gilbert Family Foundation. A $10 million stroke and spinal injury fund will help provide funding care for low-income Detroit residents.


    The new 72-bed rehab facility will be managed by Shirley Ryan AbilityLab, a Chicago-based firm that specializes in such care and will occupy three floors of the new Henry Ford Hospital patient tower, totaling 125,000 square feet.
    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...k/70765369007/


    University of Michigan renames Detroit innovation center, expands plans

    The University of Michigan on Monday announced new commitments to a $250 million research and education center in Detroit that it is creating in collaboration with real estate billionaire Stephen Ross.


    Previously known as the Detroit Center for Innovation, the renamed University of Michigan Center for Innovation will expand programming to boost economic development and job growth for Detroit through graduate education, talent-based community development and community engagement, university officials said.

    James Hilton, UM vice provost for academic innovation, who is leading the center's academic programming, said that the project has evolved from one focusing exclusively on graduate education when it was first announced to a more strategic mixed model to usher in a new era of collaboration and partnership with the city. This will include programming and facilities aimed at engaging the business, entrepreneurial and residential communities.

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...t/69976611007/

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    what's the website for people to find jobs at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelAnthonyVideos View Post
    Even our Amtrack station is an embarrassment. Toledo has a bigger train station than Detroit does.
    Toledo was a junction spot between major east-west and north-south rail lines. Detroit was a dogleg for most lines.

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