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  1. #26

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    Leave the name Hart Plaza on it. Besides, didn't Former Mayor Coleman Young, Council President the late Erma Henderson, and others agreed on giving the place the name Hart Plaza? Chene Park which were in the planning to have a multicultural venue including performances by the Detroit Symphony Orchestra underwent a name chang and after kept everything else the same. Mostly African American venues. Let's not slip backwards but let's slide forward with Detroit's future

  2. #27

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    Quote Originally Posted by stasu1213 View Post
    Let's not slip backwards but let's slide forward with Detroit's future
    I'd call it Reuther-Fain Plaza, combining labor's past and present.

  3. #28

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Whalley View Post
    I'd call it Reuther-Fain Plaza, combining labor's past and present.
    Just leave the name Hart Plaza

  4. #29

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    So we have M.L.K. High School. M.L.K. Blvd. and now M.L.K. Plaza.


    I will have to say no to M.L.K. Plaza. We have put places to honor their images, but we don't recognize their legacies.

    leave it as Hart Plaza.

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    I'm new. Give me Time. Wallaceburg rocks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny View Post
    So we have M.L.K. High School. M.L.K. Blvd. and now M.L.K. Plaza.


    I will have to say no to M.L.K. Plaza. We have put places to honor their images, but we don't recognize their legacies.

    leave it as Hart Plaza.
    Don't forget a Martin Luther King projects near downtown

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    Quote Originally Posted by stasu1213 View Post
    Don't forget a Martin Luther King projects near downtown

    With a plethora of MLK site names, isn’t there a case to be made for a Malcolm "X"-pressway?

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    What an odd thing to want to do. I guess people have now forgotten who Phil Hart was, what he stood for, and what a driving force for civil rights legislation he was. There was a very good reason why every major black office holder and public figure was behind naming the plaza after him back when it was built.

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    There are probably members of council whom just want to create legacies for themselves through glory seeking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastsideAl View Post
    What an odd thing to want to do. I guess people have now forgotten who Phil Hart was, what he stood for, and what a driving force for civil rights legislation he was. There was a very good reason why every major black office holder and public figure was behind naming the plaza after him back when it was built.
    Senator Hart had the very rare honor to have one of the 3 Senate Office Buildings in Washington named after him. The 3 are [1909] Russell, [1958] Dirksen, and [1982] Hart Office buildings... with the Hart building being the largest of the 3, housing 50 US Senators and their staff, and committee rooms.

    Since Hart died nearly 50 years ago... first elected in Michigan in 1959, and died in 1976 of cancer, time has its' usual corrosive effect... and makes people forget.
    Last edited by Gistok; November-16-23 at 03:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gistok View Post
    Senator Hart had the very rare honor to be named after one of the 3 Senate Office Buildings in Washington. The 3 are [1909] Russell, [1958] Dirksen, and [1982] Hart Office buildings... with the Hart building being the largest of the 3, housing 50 US Senators and their staff, and committee rooms....
    I'm sure you meant to write that the building was named after him.

    About Senate Office Buildings

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    ^Opps.... fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck View Post
    With a plethora of MLK site names, isn’t there a case to be made for a Malcolm "X"-pressway?
    There are those on council whom make decisions on immaturity, incompetence, and impulse. They want to keep the city one ethnic based instead of thinking nationally or internationally. It would not surprised me if some pressway or street would be named after Malcolm X. There was a Malcom X Academy. How were the students fairing there? Council should focus in quality of life in Detroit and changing of names of landmarks, parks, and streets

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    Quote Originally Posted by stasu1213 View Post
    There are those on council whom make decisions on immaturity, incompetence, and impulse. They want to keep the city one ethnic based instead of thinking nationally or internationally.
    Bingo. The regressive "hood closed to gentrifiers" mentality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K-slice View Post
    Bingo. The regressive "hood closed to gentrifiers" mentality.
    Sometimes gentrification is good for neighborhoods if the taxes could stay low and seniors are not put out of their long time residences. Let's face it. Downtown was a ghost town 20 years ago with areas deemed unsafe to walk in such as Griswold, Broadway, Grand Circus Park, and parts on the riverfront. Mayor Archer had gotten the ball rolling in the revival of the city especially bringing the Superbowl to Detroit. However, Detroit couldn't get the ball rolling within the 10 years leading up to the Superbowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stasu1213 View Post
    Sometimes gentrification is good for neighborhoods if the taxes could stay low and seniors are not put out of their long time residences. Let's face it. Downtown was a ghost town 20 years ago with areas deemed unsafe to walk in such as Griswold, Broadway, Grand Circus Park, and parts on the riverfront. Mayor Archer had gotten the ball rolling in the revival of the city especially bringing the Superbowl to Detroit. However, Detroit couldn't get the ball rolling within the 10 years leading up to the Superbowl.
    Dennis Archer was Mayor of Detroit from 1993 to 2001. So how does what you wrote make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gistok View Post
    Dennis Archer was Mayor of Detroit from 1993 to 2001. So how does what you wrote make sense?
    Detroit was awarded the Superbowl in 2000 when Archer was still mayor. It was pretty much a done deal though that if the Lions got Ford Field built they would get a superbowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 401don View Post
    Detroit was awarded the Superbowl in 2000 when Archer was still mayor. It was pretty much a done deal though that if the Lions got Ford Field built they would get a superbowl.
    Detroit was awarded the Superbowl in 1996

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gistok View Post
    Dennis Archer was Mayor of Detroit from 1993 to 2001. So how does what you wrote make sense?
    Yes he was. Things were beginning to pick up during his years in office. It slowed in 2002 when the next administration had gotten into office. The Compuware Building, Campus Martius, the casinos, Comerica Park, the Lions returning downtown, all started under Archer. Detroit wasn't ready for the Superbowl because the rolling ball slowed and stopped under the Kilpatrick administration. The embarrassment over having boarded storefronts to temporarily open with the smell of mold and mildew coming from the pop-up shops that were selling Superbowl items.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stasu1213 View Post
    Detroit was awarded the Superbowl in 1996
    Not true. The NFL implied if they build the stadium they would get a Superbowl but it was definitely awarded in 2000. It wasn't even completed until 2002 and you think it was awarded 6 years earlier?
    Read background below:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zacha341 View Post
    Hah! Kendi has his own problems as it turns out.

    While some of the same want to re-colonize others [including other nations] with their grand ideas [not always met with the enthusiasm they assumed]......
    Lies, vicious lies. Decolonization is critical to our success. Every Decolonized city is successful. Kendi was a colonizer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley Mouch View Post
    Lies, vicious lies. Decolonization is critical to our success. Every Decolonized city is successful. Kendi was a colonizer.
    This is between 2 powerful names in the civil rights movement of the 1960s. Nothing more... nothing less...
    Last edited by Gistok; November-19-23 at 06:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 401don View Post
    Not true. The NFL implied if they build the stadium they would get a Superbowl but it was definitely awarded in 2000. It wasn't even completed until 2002 and you think it was awarded 6 years earlier?
    Read background below:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XL
    Not true. I looked at the press conference. Two major announcements happened in 1996 and 97. One was the Superbowl being held in Detroit. The other was Detroit getting 3 casinos

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    Quote Originally Posted by stasu1213 View Post
    Not true. I looked at the press conference. Two major announcements happened in 1996 and 97. One was the Superbowl being held in Detroit. The other was Detroit getting 3 casinos
    Sorry but they've never announced a Superbowl site 9 years ahead of time. You're probably remembering their intention to get the Superbowl if the new stadium was built. If you don't believe me and don't trust Wikipedia just go and do your own research.
    Last edited by 401don; November-20-23 at 07:09 PM.

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