Michele Lundgren charged for role in 2020 election forgeries

[Jimaz]

Shelby Township Clerk stripped of election duties
after being charged with election fraud

Some immediate consequences coming to Shelby Township clerk Stanley Grot who is one of 16 people charges with election fraud.

[drjeff]

Yes it did. I watched the sworn testimony before the Senate where they went over the findings.

Nope.

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/ar...ty-data-issues

[Rocket]

Nope.

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/ar...ty-data-issues

That is yet another red herring article.

If you read it, you'll notice it's about issues with the counting machines in one county, and not the hundreds of thousands of fraudulent ballots that were counted BY those machines from all across the state.

It turned out the machines seemed to have correctly counted both the real and the fraudulent ballots correctly, and there was no evidence of the machines having been connected to the internet.

That still leaves the elephant in the room, that being the existence of 350,000 fraudulent ballots that got fed through those machines, which were there, in the arena. That is what I was referring to.

[drjeff]

IF you had read the article you posted before posting it, you would have noticed that it is about issues with the ballot counting machines in one county, not the hundreds of thousands of fraudulent ballots that were counted BY those machines.

It turned out the machines seemed to have correctly counted both the real and the fraudulent ballots correctly.

The issue I was mentioning is the existence of 350,000 fraudulent ballots that got fed through those machines, which were there, in the arena.

You're the one who didn't read the article. One direct quote:

"The report was the latest to find no evidence of any major problems with the election in Maricopa County. A full hand-count of ballots and review of election equipment done by contractors hired by the Senate and released in September found no major problems."

In other words, you're full of shit.

[Henry Whalley]

This is obviously not going to convince you of anything, but I put it here for people who aren't quite as far down the rabbit hole:

Yeah, as if anything could be farther from the truth than the sworn testimony of Trump supporters.

[swingline]

That is yet another red herring article.

If you read it, you'll notice it's about issues with the counting machines in one county, and not the hundreds of thousands of fraudulent ballots that were counted BY those machines from all across the state.

It turned out the machines seemed to have correctly counted both the real and the fraudulent ballots correctly, and there was no evidence of the machines having been connected to the internet.

That still leaves the elephant in the room, that being the existence of 350,000 fraudulent ballots that got fed through those machines, which were there, in the arena. That is what I was referring to.

Rocket, how many times are you going to attempt to rebut articles that disprove your 350,000 fraudulent votes claim without providing an article [from a credible news organization] that supports your position. You didn't personally perform an audit so you don't know first hand. Screaming that fraud occurred doesn't make it true. You're not Kari Lake are you? If you are correct there should be dozens of organizations reporting on this.

[Danny]

A fake elector named Steve Grot from Shelby TWP is also charged for election fraud. He one of those Trump Supporters.

[ABetterDetroit]

The hysterical part to me is not the stupid things people believe because they want to, it’s what they will ignore because acknowledging a simple basic fact would make them have to reevaluate what they desperately want to be true.

The only way for Trump to lose in Arizona was to piss all over John McCains grave. And that is exactly what the draft dodger did repeatedly and endlessly. Trump’s political stupidity is the only reason he lost Arizona. He has no one to blame but himself. But of course he has never taken responsibility for his own mistakes in his life, so…

[Jimaz]

...The only way for Trump to lose in Arizona was to piss all over John McCains grave. And that is exactlyfiguratively what the draft dodger did repeatedly and endlessly....

Good post. Better chuckle. Thanks.

[RO_Resident]

The fact that you constantly resort to name calling is strong evidence that you know you're wrong.

And I was referring to the massive AUDIT, ordered done by the Arizona State Senate, not a canvassing report done by some real-estate broker.

Arizona went through EVERY SINGLE ballot envelope, every signature was checked, the paper checked, the addresses verified etc, and it was proven that 350,000+ were fraudulent. [And remember, the margin of victory was less than 29,000.]

So now you try to hoodwink DetroitYes users by bring up some sample canvassing report, and try to use that do disprove the actual audit. One that was on the news every day for 2 months.

You know what is just as believable?

Terri Lynn Land and Gerald Wall got in a time machine and went to Arizona. They saw the preprint titled AZ_Senate_Audit_CybrNnJa_Draft_Draft2_Final_Final[[really)docx.pdf. They saw the 350,000 vote number. They said, 'this crazy'. They returned to then-present-day Michigan in said time machine. They told the rest of of the electors, "We're out."

Why else wouldn't they sign the fake electors document?

Or maybe they weren't willing to risk their reputations [[and freedom) for such a poorly thought out scheme.

Dollars to donuts Land and Wall are going to have to tell their side of the story under oath.

[RO_Resident]

Another thing, if everything is on the up-and-up, why didn't the MI GOP sanction [[or at least publicly rebuke) Land and Wall for shirking their duties as electors when this scheme was cooked up?

[EastsideAl]

Ms. Lundgren ran for the State House of Representatives in our east side district. Goodness, what a nasty piece of work she is. So I'm not surprised at all by any of this. Oh, and she lost, 8% to 92%.

[Gistok]

From what I gathered... all the states that sent in the fake electors... the document from each state was identical in its' format and text. So someone [Eastman?] may have sent a sample document to the states. Hmmm...

Also, Ms. Lundgren said that she never signed an "official" form... she just signed into the meeting on a blank card... and claims that they must have Photoshopped her name from that card to the "official" form.

Pass the popcorn...

[DetroiterOnTheWestCoast]

Ms. Lundgren ran for the State House of Representatives in our east side district. Goodness, what a nasty piece of work she is. So I'm not surprised at all by any of this. Oh, and she lost, 8% to 92%.

I’m surprised that she didn’t claim that she actually won “biggly” and that fraud, “the likes of which we’ve never seen before,” resulted in the election having been stolen.

[Henry Whalley]

And that is exactly what the draft dodger did repeatedly and endlessly.

In all fairness, Maralago Mussolini had heel spurs [wish I had thought of feigning heel spurs in '67.]

But seriously, in Vietnam Orange Julius would have been fragged by an unknown hero who would have saved this country plenty of 2016 grief.

[13606Cedargrove]

I strongly believe in the rule of law. But we need to start thinking about stopping picking this scab and letting it heal. "We" being all of us regardless of our political views. Can you imagine how much worse our country would have been if General Grant and the US government had prosecuted every Confederate soldier, politician, and sympathizer for treason? There would have been guerrilla warfare for years. Instead, they were allowed to keep their horses and sidearms and go home. The aftermath; Reconstruction and the rise of the Klan, was not our finest hour, but it could have been much worse. If we could hold our fire then, and look beyond the ultimate sacrifice of over half a million Americans, we can look beyond this bloodless chapter and move on sooner rather than later.

[ddaydetroit]

Its a good argument but Donald Trump is running again in 2024 we have to make sure this behavior will not be tolerated again I will accept who ever gets voted in as long as its fair and honest.

I strongly believe in the rule of law. But we need to start thinking about stopping picking this scab and letting it heal. "We" being all of us regardless of our political views. Can you imagine how much worse our country would have been if General Grant and the US government had prosecuted every Confederate soldier, politician, and sympathizer for treason? There would have been guerrilla warfare for years. Instead, they were allowed to keep their horses and sidearms and go home. The aftermath; Reconstruction and the rise of the Klan, was not our finest hour, but it could have been much worse. If we could hold our fire then, and look beyond the ultimate sacrifice of over half a million Americans, we can look beyond this bloodless chapter and move on sooner rather than later.

[Henry Whalley]

...we need to start thinking about stopping picking this scab and letting it heal...

What's your point?

IMHO Gerald Ford should not have pardoned Nixon in 1974. And now the coup plotters most certainly should be held to account.

[Richard]

I think it was good the system was tested and for those who say thier vote does not matter,when did it ?

If it did we would not be where we are at today,unless people like the way things are,what fun is life without high crime rates,high taxes,cities destroyed.

Just think how boring life would be if you could actually go to the supermarket without worrying if some wako is going to go off the chain.

As for the orange one,you cannot buy that kind of publicity,24/7 he is living in peoples heads,the news cannot get enough and people are compulsive obsessive over their hate for him.

I think it is funny because the very ones that claim to hate him,are the same ones keeping him relevant and all you are doing is keeping him in the lime light.

I am sure he thanks you for your support.

Quit kidding yourselves,nobody cares about fair elections,they only care about their side winning,the only time they question the system is when their side loses.

The unions and local politic power brokers are the ones that determine the outcomes,has been for decades,people are just figuring out now how little their vote matters?

[ddaydetroit]

Michele Lundgren has started a Michele Lundgren: MI AG Prosecution Legal Defense
gofundme page so far its raised $395 dollars https://www.gofundme.com/f/michelelundgrenlegaldefense

[drjeff]

Michele Lundgren has started a Michele Lundgren: MI AG Prosecution Legal Defense
gofundme page so far its raised $395 dollars https://www.gofundme.com/f/michelelundgrenlegaldefense

All aboard the grift train!

[EastsideAl]

I’m surprised that she didn’t claim that she actually won “biggly” and that fraud, “the likes of which we’ve never seen before,” resulted in the election having been stolen.

Yeah, I was mildly surprised that she didn't do that. Lots of these fringe candidates make ridiculous fraud charges these days despite big double digit losses.

Like our friend Rocket above, many of these folks seem now to inhabit an alternate universe where facts and numbers and plainly observable reality don't matter at all. It's like some sort of bizarro mass delusion.

[Henry Whalley]

...Like our friend Rocket above, many of these folks seem now to inhabit an alternate universe where facts and numbers and plainly observable reality don't matter at all.

Agreed.

It may be true that less opinionated people lead happier lives. Acting-out her foolish opinions may land Michele Lundgren in prison -- a morality tale that illustrates why philosophers maintain that one is morally obliged to suspend belief regarding propositions for which there is little or no evidence.

The Ethics of Belief [[Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

It's good to not have an opinion about everything. On the other hand, each of us must choose sides in the unending war between good and evil. It's not complicated.

P.S. Clearly, Rocket comes across an unhappy man.

P.P.S. In the ancient war between good and evil, you'd think that people would know the difference by now.

[Henry Whalley]

16 Fake Trump Electors Face Felony Charges In Michigan [[theonion.com)

Story about Michigan fake electors scheme made the Onion, America's Finest News Source.

[Rocket]

Agreed.

It may be true that less opinionated people lead happier lives. Acting-out her foolish opinions may land Michele Lundgren in prison -- a morality


P.S. Clearly, Rocket comes across an unhappy man.

P.P.S. In the ancient war between good and evil, you'd think that people would know the difference by now.

Um, no.

You should note, that just because you destroy the evidence of a crime, doesn't mean a crime didn't happen.

As to "fake" electors, this lawsuit is bogus. AG's on both sides of the isle have said that.

Under our law, candidates contesting an election must take steps to preserve their standing.

Alternate slates of electors have been going on since the Kennedy admin. It's just that we haven't ever weaponized our justice system against our political opponents the way the left has lately.

And speaking of complaining about rigged elections, what about Hillary? She put us through 4 years of bogus Russia collusion because she didn't like the election results [and perhaps also to take attention off her own treason].

Now pres Biden seems to be doing the same. Trying to take attention away from his $17 million in bribes while VP, and from stealing classified docs out of the Skiff, etc.

Intelligent people see through it though. AG Nessel's case doesn't hold water. It will go away eventually. In the meantime, the leftist propaganda machine will keep repeating 'Dem good, GOP bad' all the way until the next election. Then they'll start again with something different.

Amazing how many times people fall for it though. There are people out there that still read Politico.